I do like the idea of a 3D-Dock and think the old one looks boring now. But I think the execution in Leopard is really poor work by the artists. Three conflicting shadows? Wrong perspective Abbey Road-Divider? Come on, Apple.
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The printer "problem" really isn't a problem.
The driver will show up as an update when you click on update.
Explain, please. I'm referring to Tiger's printer drivers. There doesn't appear to be any driver for a non-postscript Laserjet 6P. Are you assuming that I have a copy of Leopard beta? I don't.
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Its a term they use when they press a gold DVD and send that DVD to the Factory which duplicates the DVD's and retail packages.. that we buy.
It would mean that the product would be finished as well
It's taste.... from the screenshot's i've seen up till now i like it.
But hopefully it's possible to switch to the old-mode... (just like in vista you can still use the XP or 2000 layout for the system; quite nice!).
p.s. I do hate that star (in the background) on the left below (I use the background in X.4.10 now; and it really irritates me with that spot so bright white). Except for this star the background = beauty! See attachment
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Err, its not taste.
Well, the idea of a 3d-dock is taste, but not the graphic errors, as I said here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/4221528/
Panther .0 Update or Tiger .0 Update?
The question for me is whether 10.5.0 will be like 10.3.0, which was solid, or 10.4.0, which delivered a number of kernel panics until around the 2nd update on my old G4 PowerBook? I'm going to order Leopard as soon as I can so that I can get my hands on the new developer tools but I really hope (as everyone does, of course) that the initial version doesn't cause any major problems. I'm hoping for a Panther-style release quality on this one.
The question for me is whether 10.5.0 will be like 10.3.0, which was solid, or 10.4.0, which delivered a number of kernel panics until around the 2nd update on my old G4 PowerBook? I'm going to order Leopard as soon as I can so that I can get my hands on the new developer tools but I really hope (as everyone does, of course) that the initial version doesn't cause any major problems. I'm hoping for a Panther-style release quality on this one.
I have the same complaints as everyone else.
- The dock is a monstrosity.
- The menu bar is tacky.
- The background windows look washed out.
- The toolbar icons on Mail and Preview look amateurish.
- Selected toolbars are too dark.
- The font smoothing technology looks worse than the competition.
- Finder now has 4 views, none of which are as useful as the tree view in Windows.
- The new help system will intimidate people. All you want is a 'lil help and what you get is Satan taking control of your computer.
- The disk management is rubbish. Try using two heavy disk using apps at once at watch the whole system fall down in a screaming heap.
- It has more background tasks than a mother of 6. Disk event recording, Spotlight indexing, backup. Spare a few seconds for my apps Guvna?
- The primary programming language has had garbage collection added. This will result in Mac apps being more bloated than other platforms. For example the Dictionary in Leopard, a simple app to display word definitions, allocates 1GB of virtual memory.
This is not a sleek wild Leopard, but a big fat Leopard lived it's whole life at the zoo.
This is a RC..The GM (M67 or M69)has been done.Developers should see it wihin 2 weeks and announcement and/or timer on Apple's homepage on or before Oct. 5th.
On shelves 10/18
just a guess mind you.
Great speculation! I hope it turns out to be right. The anticipication is killing me.
I respect your opinions about the dock and such, but as someone who hasn't used Leopard yet, I'd like some clarification on your other points. Like, what do you mean about the disk management problems? And, what about the background tasks? Can't you shut those off?
Oh, and what is 'garbage collection'? (From your last point)
And what system are you running Leopard on anyway? Just curious.
usb issues with 10.4.10
On my macbook both my external usb hd drives used to work with 10.4.9. Now only one of them works - the other causes timeout error messages in system.log. Looks like this only happens with certain usb devices as not all of them stop working.
The same happens on my new 24" iMac with 10.4.10.
I really hope 10.4.11 fixes that.
... on the other hand I was really surprised yesterday. I have a USB headset with an integrated sound card. On Windows this was a nightmare - drivers were bad and I even had bsods. On my Mac this just worked although it isn't even officially supported on the Mac. I even listened to some music in iTunes and unplugged the headset in the middle of the song - it continued playing on the other soundcard - seamlessly. This would never happen on Windows
On my macbook both my external usb hd drives used to work with 10.4.9. Now only one of them works - the other causes timeout error messages in system.log. Looks like this only happens with certain usb devices as not all of them stop working.
The same happens on my new 24" iMac with 10.4.10.
I really hope 10.4.11 fixes that.
... on the other hand I was really surprised yesterday. I have a USB headset with an integrated sound card. On Windows this was a nightmare - drivers were bad and I even had bsods. On my Mac this just worked although it isn't even officially supported on the Mac. I even listened to some music in iTunes and unplugged the headset in the middle of the song - it continued playing on the other soundcard - seamlessly. This would never happen on Windows
Will that mean an extra process needs to be launched every time the system starts... I know it'll be marginal, but it's something extra right ?
Somebody forgot leap years then
Im with you - going for a macbook pro though.
The waiting game is terring me apart
Tearing. Sorry.
The problem with that is Apple likes to have every system look the best, not from your point of view, but theirs. They don't want you flashing an older layout to your friends... noooo... they want the very latest cool super wizbang layout on your machine, showing off their best design work.
It's not really your machine after all, your just experiencing it, and helping drive sales.
I'd say it'd be more like 10.4.0 as there are a lot more people clamouring for this update than there were with 10.4.0 or even 10.3.0. With so many anxious buyers, they are under much more pressure t meet an already slipped schedule and I'd imagine it'll be stable to a degree that you don't do too much extra with it
Undoubtedly 10.5.1/2 will bring the full stability needed. And probably break audio or something too
Have you verified the disk / permissions etc with disk utility ? There could be something wrong with your drive. Perhaps it's not being recognised because it was set up for a PPC mac and the Intel macs need a different something-or-other. I ran into that problem coming from a PowerBook.
"Everyone" does not have those complaints. We've heard the same nitpicking arguments time and again. What do I have to say about that?
"Don't knock it, 'til you've tried it."
It doesn't even appear in disk utility. And there is a big thread on the Apple forums about that problem.
Here is what I get in system.log:
imaclextar:~ lextar$ cd /var/log
imaclextar:/var/log lextar$ tail -f system.log
Sep 22 13:59:09 imaclextar kernel[0]: USBF: 86694.266 AppleUSBEHCI[0x3e03000]::Found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 253, timing out!
Sep 22 13:59:16 imaclextar kernel[0]: USBF: 86701.266 AppleUSBEHCI[0x3e03000]::Found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 253, timing out!
... and so on. It keeps on writing this message every 3 seconds and the device doesn't appear in the Finder or Disk Utility. In 10.4.9 it worked without any problems and the other drive works - although it takes quite a long time until it appears in the Finder (but I guess this is normal?).
Well, gonna try that USB hub "solution"...
Oh - and of course it works in Windows on the same machine (Boot Camp).
I also see no compelling reason to upgrade and am not impressed by what I've seen so far. The whole thing looks extremely tacky aimed at teenybopper switchers, in my view and the feature list is underwhelming.
As per usual, I will read what everyone has to say here upon release and make my mind up in a few months time. And it's not going near the work Macs until I've tested it out at home first.
As per usual, I will read what everyone has to say here upon release and make my mind up in a few months time. And it's not going near the work Macs until I've tested it out at home first.
How exactly? Is it possible to add items from various folders, like in the wwdc-build or is it still a nicer looking folderview, like in the last 2 or 3 builds?Apparently Stacks are customizable now.
Dvd-rom
It will be released on a DVD-ROM, not on a recordable DVD.
DVD-ROM has supported dual layer since the beginning - look at the files on a commercial movie DVD, most of them contain much more than the 4.7 GB supported by a single layer.
It will be released on a DVD-ROM, not on a recordable DVD.
DVD-ROM has supported dual layer since the beginning - look at the files on a commercial movie DVD, most of them contain much more than the 4.7 GB supported by a single layer.
at this point it would pose no problem to meet a lat Oct ship
they go gold master next week, start up the cdrom factories, in the meantime they continue working kinks out, by the time leopard is sold they will have their first update ready... so where is the problem?
they go gold master next week, start up the cdrom factories, in the meantime they continue working kinks out, by the time leopard is sold they will have their first update ready... so where is the problem?
Tacky? It's the most professional look in a looooong time. The only thing that is tacky is the new Dock look. Everything else has a very reserved look...windows finally have a single professional look...the menu bar doesn't scream out at you...folders actually look like folders.
I'm sorry but the 'teenybopper' switcher material was in the 10.0 and 10.1 releases where everything was heavily transparent, pinstripped, or glossy.
If you're not impressed, stick with 10.3 or 10.4...nobody's forcing you to upgrade and nobody will care if you do or not.
Quit complaining. Leopard has tones of little features which make the whole experience so much more enjoyable. Just a few:
- Printing much improved
- Selecting wireless networks (you no longer have to click the wireless tab about 5 times trying to select a network when it keeps on refreshing the list)
- Networking in System preferences has been tidied up greatly
- The whole universal application style is great, no more brushed metal.
- System updates are a lot better
These are just a few things which makes leopard buying, and they aren't even major.
- Printing much improved
- Selecting wireless networks (you no longer have to click the wireless tab about 5 times trying to select a network when it keeps on refreshing the list)
- Networking in System preferences has been tidied up greatly
- The whole universal application style is great, no more brushed metal.
- System updates are a lot better
These are just a few things which makes leopard buying, and they aren't even major.
As a professional designer, I think I'm qualified to make a judgement on what looks professional or not.
Furthermore, folders looking like folders does not a compelling case make for a network upgrade with all our peripherals and third-party apps used for a print-design workflow and output worth about US$1.2 million per year.
And so, Apple will care if Leopard does not sell.
Oh, and mod's note: please watch the flaming in this thread. Thanks.