Apple Seeds Mac OS X Leopard (9A527/9A528a)

[cheunghy]

Maybe a new disc cover for Leopard (different from the WWDC preview) based on that desktop pic?

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

The problem you and other Windows users suffer from is due to M$ and silly and downright dumb fsckin implementations copied from other systems. The Pasteboard aka cut/copy/paste is intended for selected data to be placed temporarily in RAM to be migrated to another document either the same application or inter-applicationt!! Moving data in the above manner has been used by Unix systems years before M$ was even born "stdin/stdout". The primary use was and still is for ASCII data or Rich Text Format. As such it would be completely thickheaded to use the command to copy a 4 gig video file to move it to a different location on a hard disk. You will not have enough memory to accommodate such a task. Moving or copying files themselves execute Disk I/O tasks. The Finder of course offers Cut/Copy/Paste as it is intended, to be used with the text of file/directory names not the files or directories themselves.

Im sorry but what you are used to on an M$ system is another example of that companies failure to understand the logic behind such simplistic com-putative tasks which have been standardized decades before Microsoft decided to "Think with drunkenness" for the sake of not being scored for directly copying other systems. Kind of like a white cursor I suppose, all pages an documents after all are also white....so they decided to camouflage the cursor?? DUMB!!!

Your silly reasoning has no merit, in the sense that you still have to navigate the FS to paste the file in the location you wish, this is no different than using pop open windows to navigate to the directory to place the file. Either way you still need your mouse to navigate the FS. Here is another tip or 2, if you drag a file an navigate you system using pop open windows you hold down the Command key whilst dragging to move the file, Option key to copy, if you change you mind an want to cancel the operation simply drag it to the menu bar an let go of the file , as i say this will terminate the drag an leave the system as it was. If you still refuse to accept these methods, buy Path Finder, an replace the Finder with it an use the "Drop Stack" in Path Finder. This allows you to drag and drop a file or files eg 2 files then drop another 4 then another 3 then a single one on the Stack, as a temp holding location, then navigate your FS to the directory you wish to place the files then you may select any of the files you previously dropped in the stack, (single files, or the multi groups of files as described) and then move them using simple drag of holding option key down to Copy to the location.) NeXTSTEP had a similar feature called a shelf which was brilliant.

In summary, M$'s feature is fundamentally flawed, there are better ways an better alternatives. Do yourself a favor and investigate these possibilities and learn to adapt.

tough act to follow.....

I agree with who ever said that there should be a 'move feature'.


Serious?

Umm ... okay, wow ... I hate to say this but Leopard really is copying Vista in some ways. Here's one of them:
Look at the menubar. It's transparent, and the background is blurred. What the hell, man? The blur in Vista is awful, that doesn't mean it will be okay in Leopard!

Has this guy been under a rock?

 

[Sonic]

Your silly reasoning has no merit... Do yourself a favor and investigate these possibilities and learn to adapt.

This is exactly the kind of Apple arrogance that made me not want to switch in the first place. Just because it's the Jobs way, doesn't always mean it's the best way.

I could point out countless other examples of seeming inconsistencies in either OS, not the least of which is the fact that we can use 'Copy' and 'Paste' for files in exactly the same way as with text etc., and yet for some reason you say Cut is different. Not only that, but your other reasoning is flawed, that the file needs to be copied in order to be cut, when in fact Windows simply memorises the path and only moves the file at Paste time (if it's on the same drive no copying is involved at all). Just like drag and drop.

I can't follow your reasoning at all, and feel you are just jumping to defend your misplaced Apple pride. Apple is not perfect, and, despite a great deal of Windows' success being stolen from Mac OS (ok, almost all), there are things to learn from the competition.

When I initially switched many years ago, like many ex-Windows users, two of the most frustrating differences were not being able to Cut, and not being able to full-screen maximise simply. I was told to stick with it, adapt, and I'd eventually appreciate Apple's design choices. I'm sorry but I still miss both features (the double-click titlebar to maximise the most - those little coloured buttons are so annoyingly small, and I still feel that a full-maximise would be so much more productive for me - I can instantly snap into the use of an application with no distractions on the screen). It's been many years, and I sometimes feel now that the designers at Apple Inc won't include these features out downright stubbornness - they don't want to admit that in the two small but important UI features, they were wrong and M$ were right. How could it really hurt to include them?

I am in no way a M$ fan, and do not buy any of their products any more, but sometimes these simple features made me feel like I had more control in my day-to-day work, instead of endlessly waiting for spring-loaded folders or repositioning Finder windows to drag, quite often dropping the file on an application or the desktop by mistake instead, and the endless, tedious resizing of windows to fill the screen so I can concentrate on my work.

 

[F/reW/re]

Anyone know if it's still possible in Lepoard to change the name of your homefolder and without warning "loose" all your data?

 

[AppleMatt389]

Umm ... okay, wow ... I hate to say this but Leopard really is copying Vista in some ways. Here's one of them:

Click to see full sized image:

Look at the menubar. It's transparent, and the background is blurred. What the hell, man? The blur in Vista is awful, that doesn't mean it will be okay in Leopard!

just had a look at ur photo..since when is there a shadow behind the icons in the new dock. ive never seen this before. have i been missing something. not so sure i like it.

 

[andrewag]

The release is looking better and better. I'm still not 100% on the folder icons though.

I wonder if the scroll bars will be changed to something like iTunes and iLife 08.

 

[F/reW/re]

Umm ... okay, wow ... I hate to say this but Leopard really is copying Vista in some ways. Here's one of them:

Click to see full sized image:

Look at the menubar. It's transparent, and the background is blurred. What the hell, man? The blur in Vista is awful, that doesn't mean it will be okay in Leopard!

Seems to me by looking at the new screenshot of the System Preferences the intern thats been doing some gui changes lately is now off duty. The new Expose and Desktop/Screensaver icons in the Preferences looks great.
The top menubar has also got a clean up from the last build. I guess the next thing we will se "fixed" in a esthetic way, is the dock. Change the blue lights, the 3d feel and airstrip needs a redo and make the whole thing more compact. The traffic-lights are gonna change as-well.

 

[curmi]

tough act to follow.....

I agree with who ever said that there should be a 'move feature'.

That was me.

I'd also like to point out that OS/2 (for those who ever used it) had a "Pickup" and "Drop" option to handle this move case, rather than overload "Cut" and "Paste".

When you "Picked up" an object, the cursor had a little briefcase attached to it, to show you were now carrying something. You then "Dropped" it where ever you wanted.

I can't recall if the original was greyed out during the move, or just disappeared. It would make sense for it to have disappeared, as it was now with the cursor.

So anyway, OS X could have a Cut/Copy/Paste/Pickup/Drop. It stops the purists from being upset in having the Cut paradigm misused, it gives Windows users a way to do what they usually do (albeit with slightly changed keyboard shortcuts), and it gives OS X a new bit of eye candy (files attached in miniature to the cursor with some animated flair) that also is useful as it shows you that you are moving some objects around. Maybe you could even do multiple pickups, that get added to the collection...

Remember the Cut/Copy/Paste has been around for decades. The world has moved on - maybe we do more than just cut/copy/paste these days?

 

[willybNL]

Where is Dashboard in the System Preferences?

Did anyone notice that Dashboard is gone in the system preferences.

While in X.4 it says: "Dashboard & Expose"
in X.5 it says: "Expose & Spaces".

So, where is Dashboard

 

[willybNL]

Seems to me by looking at the new screenshot of the System Preferences the intern thats been doing some gui changes lately is now off duty. The new Expose and Desktop/Screensaver icons in the Preferences looks great.
The top menubar has also got a clean up from the last build. I guess the next thing we will se "fixed" in a esthetic way, is the dock. Change the blue lights, the 3d feel and airstrip needs a redo and make the whole thing more compact. The traffic-lights are gonna change as-well.

..... still feels like:

http://frsun.downloads.edgesuite.net/sun/GSN-1312/GSN-1312_forjds.mov

The dock looks alike a bit too

 

[pilky]

Yeah yeah and this is the same drivel we here every single time a major update is close. "Yeah its so much faster", And SOO amazing" until we actually get it an its like a major disappointment because ppl like you greatly exaggerate EVERYTHING about the OS. Im sick of listening to ppl like you misinformants. When i eventually get the OS im always disappointed as it is NEVER a massive speed increase like everyone talks about, usually sure a very minor improvement in speed in some cases but never as significant you promoted.

Besides a stupid looking oversized bulging Dock, which one still cant permanently hide an reactivate it only when needed (and to think Apple actually listened to those people spoofing over that crap Solaris Glass interface) and whoopy do dar Spaces and coverflow view, there is nothing of particular interest in Leopard as far as im concerned. There is no Resolution Independence and no Quartz 2D Extreme and basically no GPU acceleration of any other kind including MPEG (variants) of video. No ability to save and reload a session on login from a last logged session like Linux. No ZFS, no ability to change system font types an sizes, absolutely no significant improvement to the Dumb POS Finder which everyone HATES, no change to Open/Save Dialogs which most ppl HATE and find completely useless.

What an overhyped overdue copy of Vista. Yeah the power of Unix so dumbed down a retard can use it great!!

Drayon, you obviously haven't used leopard and obviously have only heard about leopard in screenshots, because much of what you say is wrong. I'm sorry Apple didn't introduce stuff do all your work for you, but they only had 2 years and have but a HELL of a lot of new stuff into Leopard. People notice different levels of speed up. For example, the speed up on an Intel Mac is likely to be greater than on a PPC Mac, because OS X is less optimised for the Intel Macs.

For anyone who's used virtual desktops, Spaces is a great addition (far more useful than using Exposé on it's own) and you should give Coverflow a chance before you knock it. The Finder has been improved a lot as you can see from screenshots flying around, again wait until you've used it. There is resolution independence in Leopard. In fact it was there in Tiger, it was just not complete. I don't see saving and reloading a session is of much use. 99% of the time you want to log out it is because you want to empty everything from memory and start afresh (either because you're noticing a slow down or you're installing an update). ZFS is in Leopard, but only as a read only option in Leopard Server. If you were expecting ZFS as the default file system then you can complain to Apple all you want, ZFS just isn't ready for that. It only got bootable capability a few months ago and even Solaris doesn't use it as it's default file system yet. And if you want to change font family and size then there's tools that can do that for you, but that's the sort of thing that's better as a standard default.

 

[exigentsky]

That was me.

I'd also like to point out that OS/2 (for those who ever used it) had a "Pickup" and "Drop" option to handle this move case, rather than overload "Cut" and "Paste".

When you "Picked up" an object, the cursor had a little briefcase attached to it, to show you were now carrying something. You then "Dropped" it where ever you wanted.

I can't recall if the original was greyed out during the move, or just disappeared. It would make sense for it to have disappeared, as it was now with the cursor.

So anyway, OS X could have a Cut/Copy/Paste/Pickup/Drop. It stops the purists from being upset in having the Cut paradigm misused, it gives Windows users a way to do what they usually do (albeit with slightly changed keyboard shortcuts), and it gives OS X a new bit of eye candy (files attached in miniature to the cursor with some animated flair) that also is useful as it shows you that you are moving some objects around. Maybe you could even do multiple pickups, that get added to the collection...

Remember the Cut/Copy/Paste has been around for decades. The world has moved on - maybe we do more than just cut/copy/paste these days?

I understand what you're saying. It's true that allowing Cut for files and folders isn't completely "pure," but I think there is no practical difference for most users. Adding the Pickup and Drop paradigm would be more accurate, but it would also add extra overhead, more options to the menu and more confusion. I don't think it would be justified from a usability perspective. Just my last .02 c. No, I'm special. Just my last $100.

 

[Project]

If you want to move files quickly and without the mouse, use Quicksilver to do it in 1/10th of the time :tu

 

[willybNL]

New wallpaper

Ok, so i worked with the new wallpaper for a day now:

It's beautiful. But one little DOT is irritating me (maybe because I run tiger, and in Leopard something is over there...)

See the star below done on the left? That is really irritating me... Remove that star!

 

[Philberttheduck]

is that a new ipod icon?

 

[phatspider]

I dont know if this is new - though I dont remember seeing it before - but there is now an RSS Reader in Mail

Very useful

 

[Manic Mouse]

Thanks man! Looking good from what I can see. They must've made it more opaque because it was hard to see the menubar with busy backgrounds.

 

[bazzler]

I find that the leopard desktop looks its best when the background is a landscape (scenery) picture of some sort where there is nothing in the immediate foreground. I think i remember seeing a couple of pics where one was the african savannah and another was a painted rendering from a scene from that new film stardust. Both were awesome. I dont suppose someone could rustle up and post a couple of desktop pics with scenic horizons as the background pic could they ?

 

[Maxiseller]

The User Interface

I remember about four years ago, when we were on 10.2 I was drooling over the UI - all my magazines I was reading at the time were saying how OS X was a lot more stable than OS9, and that the visual appeal was nothing short of extraordinary. I remember trying for hours to skin XP to look the same...OSX was genuinely the benchmark in attractive, clean and straightforward user interfaces.

Somehow its all gone wrong.

I knew it the second I saw the Time Machine interface - what the hell is that?

The "new" dock is outmoded, clunky, and frankly ugly.

the menu bar doesn't bother me, but it's hardly revolutionary let alone evolutionary...

I find that what apple did was read all our comments begging for a new UI, and plopped one on top to keep us happy. This wasn't a ground up build like apple normally go for, and it looks rushed.

I'm quite disheartened by this new look, and I can no longer say that OSX looks better than windows. I still wouldn't trade it in for anything, but apple would do well by sticking more closely to the simplistic work flow design of its original OSX, not the clunky, trying-too-hard visual "appeal" of late.

 

[Project]

I remember about four years ago, when we were on 10.2 I was drooling over the UI - all my magazines I was reading at the time were saying how OS X was a lot more stable than OS9, and that the visual appeal was nothing short of extraordinary. I remember trying for hours to skin XP to look the same...OSX was genuinely the benchmark in attractive, clean and straightforward user interfaces.

Somehow its all gone wrong.

I knew it the second I saw the Time Machine interface - what the hell is that?

The "new" dock is outmoded, clunky, and frankly ugly.

the menu bar doesn't bother me, but it's hardly revolutionary let alone evolutionary...

I find that what apple did was read all our comments begging for a new UI, and plopped one on top to keep us happy. This wasn't a ground up build like apple normally go for, and it looks rushed.

I'm quite disheartened by this new look, and I can no longer say that OSX looks better than windows. I still wouldn't trade it in for anything, but apple would do well by sticking more closely to the simplistic work flow design of its original OSX, not the clunky, trying-too-hard visual "appeal" of late.

I disagree 5000%.

10.2 had pinstripes in the menubar, awfully implemented transparent titlebars and introduced brushed metal in a large way.

 

[thesdx]

I remember about four years ago, when we were on 10.2 I was drooling over the UI - all my magazines I was reading at the time were saying how OS X was a lot more stable than OS9, and that the visual appeal was nothing short of extraordinary. I remember trying for hours to skin XP to look the same...OSX was genuinely the benchmark in attractive, clean and straightforward user interfaces.

Somehow its all gone wrong.

I knew it the second I saw the Time Machine interface - what the hell is that?

The "new" dock is outmoded, clunky, and frankly ugly.

the menu bar doesn't bother me, but it's hardly revolutionary let alone evolutionary...

I find that what apple did was read all our comments begging for a new UI, and plopped one on top to keep us happy. This wasn't a ground up build like apple normally go for, and it looks rushed.

I'm quite disheartened by this new look, and I can no longer say that OSX looks better than windows. I still wouldn't trade it in for anything, but apple would do well by sticking more closely to the simplistic work flow design of its original OSX, not the clunky, trying-too-hard visual "appeal" of late.

Really? I love Leopard's look. The dock with stacks is amazing, and I'm glad they scrapped the brushed metal look and went with a smoother aluminum design. Time Machine's interface is wild, and I can't wait to see what Microsoft's pathetic copy will look like in Vienna.

 

[Ovs]

Great work Lermex. You've made this thread interesting.

It's got me thinking about the placement of the Dock. I always have my dock on the side (left). But it seems Leopard's 3D 'shelf' dock would be odd/unnatural anywhere but the bottom, (because the icons are resting on top of the shelf, if you catch my drift)

If possible, could you please post a pic with the Dock on the side. Would be interesting to see how it works.

 

[Cloudsurfer]

I remember about four years ago, when we were on 10.2 I was drooling over the UI - all my magazines I was reading at the time were saying how OS X was a lot more stable than OS9, and that the visual appeal was nothing short of extraordinary. I remember trying for hours to skin XP to look the same...OSX was genuinely the benchmark in attractive, clean and straightforward user interfaces.

Somehow its all gone wrong.

I knew it the second I saw the Time Machine interface - what the hell is that?

The "new" dock is outmoded, clunky, and frankly ugly.

the menu bar doesn't bother me, but it's hardly revolutionary let alone evolutionary...

I find that what apple did was read all our comments begging for a new UI, and plopped one on top to keep us happy. This wasn't a ground up build like apple normally go for, and it looks rushed.

I'm quite disheartened by this new look, and I can no longer say that OSX looks better than windows. I still wouldn't trade it in for anything, but apple would do well by sticking more closely to the simplistic work flow design of its original OSX, not the clunky, trying-too-hard visual "appeal" of late.

I think the overall iLife-look of the interface is the best we've seen in years. In fact, apps like RapidWeaver which use this iLife interface look a lot more professional to me than apps that still use the brushed metal interface like Microsoft Messenger. The iLife-look is just much cleaner, sleeker and mature imo. Plus, it fits the aluminum look of the iMac, Mac mini, Mac Pro and MacBook Pro. And iPod nano and keyboard and... well, I guess the list goes on.

And besides, hasn't the user interface always reflected the hardware? The pin stripes in OS X reflected the pin strips in the machines of those days.

Yes, I do like the new interface. I like the menu bar, and I'm totally in love with the Dock. But the major selling point for me is the Finder, which I found to be a much easier solution to Tiger's finder... especially on the networking front.

 

[Ovs]

I remember about four years ago, when we were on 10.2 I was drooling over the UI - all my magazines I was reading at the time were saying how OS X was a lot more stable than OS9, and that the visual appeal was nothing short of extraordinary. I remember trying for hours to skin XP to look the same...OSX was genuinely the benchmark in attractive, clean and straightforward user interfaces.

Somehow its all gone wrong.

I knew it the second I saw the Time Machine interface - what the hell is that?

The "new" dock is outmoded, clunky, and frankly ugly.

the menu bar doesn't bother me, but it's hardly revolutionary let alone evolutionary...

I find that what apple did was read all our comments begging for a new UI, and plopped one on top to keep us happy. This wasn't a ground up build like apple normally go for, and it looks rushed.

I'm quite disheartened by this new look, and I can no longer say that OSX looks better than windows. I still wouldn't trade it in for anything, but apple would do well by sticking more closely to the simplistic work flow design of its original OSX, not the clunky, trying-too-hard visual "appeal" of late.

I agree. It all looks a bit corny. Especially the space images in the intro video and time machine. To me it looks like something a preteen think tank would come up with.

I prefer the understated and subtle look, which Apple were known for. Now it looks like they’re trying too hard to be cool. Same for the black logo on the front of the new iMac. Where's the Apple sleek and subtlety gone?

 

[Simmerl]

Say, beta testers ...
does anyone know whether it's still possibly to set an "pinning" for the dock (for example the trash can is in the bottom right corner and it grows to the left)?

I'm not asking anyone to break their NDA, just ... you know. Knock once for yes, twice for no. XD