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Maybe it would make everyone happy if it was called "displace" instead of "cut".
The edit menu command of "cut" can still stay dimmed, and they can throw in "displace" in either the same menu, or another one (and definitely in the contextual menu).
They can even make a cool animation for it. You choose "displace" on an item, and it can fade to, say, 50% transparency and follow the mouse around. Then when you do the command again (same command, or maybe a separate one, but I think the same exact command makes more sense), it places the file wherever you have the mouse at.
And if it's a bunch of items you want to "displace", then they can bunch up into a stack, and follow the mouse around at 50% (or whatever) transparency.
Of course, while the item is in the state of being displaced, that is, when it's following the mouse around, you can still perform all normal mouse actions until you do the "displace" command again. Or perhaps there can be an option so that you can have it "displace" the item when you click, thus deactivating normal mouse functions while in the process of being displaced (following the mouse around). Or perhaps even an additional option, where you can have a hotkey + click. Like... option+click completes the "displace" procedure. Personally, I like the first one best.
Anyone else think this could work?
I'm so gonna patent this idea.
Hell, it can even be called "Move" instead of "displace".
But I mean, for all your sakes, stop arguing about who thinks who's idea of how graphical interfaces are "supposed to work" is the "correct way", and start coming up with new ideas. A little compromise, a little innovation. A lot of positive results.
The edit menu command of "cut" can still stay dimmed, and they can throw in "displace" in either the same menu, or another one (and definitely in the contextual menu).
They can even make a cool animation for it. You choose "displace" on an item, and it can fade to, say, 50% transparency and follow the mouse around. Then when you do the command again (same command, or maybe a separate one, but I think the same exact command makes more sense), it places the file wherever you have the mouse at.
And if it's a bunch of items you want to "displace", then they can bunch up into a stack, and follow the mouse around at 50% (or whatever) transparency.
Of course, while the item is in the state of being displaced, that is, when it's following the mouse around, you can still perform all normal mouse actions until you do the "displace" command again. Or perhaps there can be an option so that you can have it "displace" the item when you click, thus deactivating normal mouse functions while in the process of being displaced (following the mouse around). Or perhaps even an additional option, where you can have a hotkey + click. Like... option+click completes the "displace" procedure. Personally, I like the first one best.
Anyone else think this could work?
I'm so gonna patent this idea.
Hell, it can even be called "Move" instead of "displace".
But I mean, for all your sakes, stop arguing about who thinks who's idea of how graphical interfaces are "supposed to work" is the "correct way", and start coming up with new ideas. A little compromise, a little innovation. A lot of positive results.
Certainly an interesting idea with lots of potential. I might call it "Pick Up" and "Drop", though...? More straightforward and in keeping with Apple's user-friendly tendencies.
The more I think about it, the more I like it. And just think, that's exactly the sort of thing CoreAnimation might be good for! Sweet, practical little example of the possibilities Apple's given us there.
The more I think about it, the more I like it. And just think, that's exactly the sort of thing CoreAnimation might be good for! Sweet, practical little example of the possibilities Apple's given us there.
Oh. My. Goodness. Why is everyone still stuck on "cut"? This is ridiculous, can't we all just agree that OS X is lacking a feature that would allow a user to move a file or folder without the use of a mouse and then agree to disagree on how it should be implemented?
Sounds good to me...
so how about those new icons...
Yeah. And I just came up with that idea in the span of 5 seconds.
Now in all the time of everyone arguing about "no I'm doing it the right way, it's obviously better than your way", you all could have come up with a lot of other little 5 second ideas that could make everyone's computer experience a little bit easier.
Come on guys!
Oh. My. Goodness. Why is everyone still stuck on "cut"? This is ridiculous, can't we all just agree that OS X is lacking a feature that would allow a user to move a file or folder without the use of a mouse and then agree to disagree on how it should be implemented?
Sounds good to me...
so how about those new icons...
Ok, then maybe instead of it following the mouse around, maybe it can go to a certain corner of the screen (or some other form of "this is the item you are moving").
So when you do the "move" command (who cares what it's called right now, for the sake of idea-ness), it can graphically show you that you've selected that file or files in some way, and you go to wherever you want to put it, and do the command again and it'll place it there.
See... no need for a mouse with that small little tweak of the idea.
I never said it was called "cut", anyway. Neither did I say OS X was not lacking anything.
Wasn't I actually adding that feature? lol. Sure it used the mouse, but my little tweak above negates that now. But anyway... it's just an idea. Add to it! Or tweak it! Or make up one of your own! Then we can all say "that's interesting" and combine our ideas into one that everyone likes instead of being so negative.Yeah. And I just came up with that idea in the span of 5 seconds.
Now in all the time of everyone arguing about "no I'm doing it the right way, it's obviously better than your way", you all could have come up with a lot of other little 5 second ideas that could make everyone's computer experience a little bit easier.
Come on guys!
There were already similar suggestions like move and pickup. Your suggestion just uses a different word. Read the thread and you'll notice there was a lot of constructive feedback. Still, I think this displace/move/pickup idea is a poor idea from a usability perspective. It adds extra clutter and complexity as well as a feature no one knows about. Not to mention that many would be annoyed for having to learn a new shortcut and resist old habits when this feature is practically identical to cut/paste. Cut/Paste is familiar to everyone and simple. This feature just needs to be expanded to include Finder items. This is the way it's done on every other OS I've ever used and it works extremely well. I've never heard of anyone complaining about it, thinking it doesn't make sense or considering it too difficult.
Oh I see. Well so much for that then. You're right, I guess I should have read the entire thing. Anyway, the most I saw was arguing though, so I was just trying to help.
Anyway... I just hope 10.5 turns out to be a pretty decent upgrade. So far it looks pretty good.
Leopard is so ugly I doubt I will use it. The clear menu bar will look really bad with maximized windows, the dock is just well... not good looking. The new folders are hideous they look like the tango theme for Gnome.
I completely agree. What happened to the simpleness of Tiger?
This is what I was referring to when I said 'shelf'. I believe they had it in NEXT. Seems simple enough.
Gripe, complain.............gripe...........cut.. paste...... displace... bring back 10.2.. I think I still have the install CD's somewhere....
Look, I will be at an Apple store the day this thing ships, like most of you..
Good night good people of earth, see you in (late) October.
Look, I will be at an Apple store the day this thing ships, like most of you..
Good night good people of earth, see you in (late) October.
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Leopard is so ugly I doubt I will use it. The clear menu bar will look really bad with maximized windows, the dock is just well... not good looking. The new folders are hideous they look like the tango theme for Gnome.
Don't knock it till you've tried it, I didn't like it at first, especially the transparent menu bar and I thought the dock was overkill, but honestly, it looks really nice once you try it out
Just out of curiosity, what do developers do with their osx setups when the os is released in stores. What I mean is that with the latest build 9A527, Apple seems to have activated Software Update, so will Apple continue to release software updates and the build will be the same as that sold in stores, or will the developers have to do a clean install when leopard is released?
Fresh Install
A development build isn't the same as an update. Once the product has gone retail bits and pieces are updated and it comes via Software Update. With a build we're testing the way the whole setup works together and there are myriads of bugs that have to be addressed. So, in order to test the stability of a new build it would not be wise to ship an update as opposed to doing a fresh install.
For example, when 9A527 came out, I downloaded the entire ~6.5GB and installed it on a fresh partition on my drive...not overwriting the current 10.4 partition. This way I can test the stability of the 9A527 from scratch. If we were testing with updates we wouldn't know if the update was causing the problem vs. a fundamental flaw in the build.
Anyone who has any user experience with Windows platforms knows what happens when you issue a pandora's box of updates--you create instability and cause errors in other places that aren't even necessarily related to what you were trying to address.
So, short answer: you will get a better product if we developers test with fresh builds...so we do. And we don't want lots of little patches from our original seed either...I will install the retail version when it comes out--gotta get rid of every little bug and instability possible.
I didn't like the space-age interface at first either, from screen shots, but the usability and feature set is great...like the expanding Apps folding on the Doc that allows you to click on the icon and see all the icons inside the folder...then it folds back up when you're done...GREAT idea.
I do have to say that I filed a request already and BEGGED to have the menu bar changed. Too Vista-esque. The black-on-transparent look is so dark looking and Vista already did it. I asked them to at least give us back our sense of stability in the blue Apple-menu icon. But, who am I? One tiny developer out of thousands. We can hope, though, eh?
A development build isn't the same as an update. Once the product has gone retail bits and pieces are updated and it comes via Software Update. With a build we're testing the way the whole setup works together and there are myriads of bugs that have to be addressed. So, in order to test the stability of a new build it would not be wise to ship an update as opposed to doing a fresh install.
For example, when 9A527 came out, I downloaded the entire ~6.5GB and installed it on a fresh partition on my drive...not overwriting the current 10.4 partition. This way I can test the stability of the 9A527 from scratch. If we were testing with updates we wouldn't know if the update was causing the problem vs. a fundamental flaw in the build.
Anyone who has any user experience with Windows platforms knows what happens when you issue a pandora's box of updates--you create instability and cause errors in other places that aren't even necessarily related to what you were trying to address.
So, short answer: you will get a better product if we developers test with fresh builds...so we do. And we don't want lots of little patches from our original seed either...I will install the retail version when it comes out--gotta get rid of every little bug and instability possible.
Leopard is so ugly I doubt I will use it. The clear menu bar will look really bad with maximized windows, the dock is just well... not good looking. The new folders are hideous they look like the tango theme for Gnome.
I didn't like the space-age interface at first either, from screen shots, but the usability and feature set is great...like the expanding Apps folding on the Doc that allows you to click on the icon and see all the icons inside the folder...then it folds back up when you're done...GREAT idea.
I do have to say that I filed a request already and BEGGED to have the menu bar changed. Too Vista-esque. The black-on-transparent look is so dark looking and Vista already did it. I asked them to at least give us back our sense of stability in the blue Apple-menu icon.
But, who am I? One tiny developer out of thousands. We can hope, though, eh?Leopard Golden Master questions
Two simple questions from someone who is not a developer, but who is very eager for Leopard to be released so that he can buy his new MBP. Is it true, as I've read, that it takes 4-6 weeks from the time a new OS goes golden Master for it to then actually ship? If so, should Leopard not be locked/finalized soon so that the final steps can be taken?
My personal guess is that it will be ready the last week of October (Tuesday the 30th?), especially given that the iPhone's "June" launch was on the 29th of that month and the fact that Leopard's original "Spring" launch seemed (originally) slated for the final day of that season.
Thanks for any information. Oh the waiting!
Two simple questions from someone who is not a developer, but who is very eager for Leopard to be released so that he can buy his new MBP. Is it true, as I've read, that it takes 4-6 weeks from the time a new OS goes golden Master for it to then actually ship? If so, should Leopard not be locked/finalized soon so that the final steps can be taken?
My personal guess is that it will be ready the last week of October (Tuesday the 30th?), especially given that the iPhone's "June" launch was on the 29th of that month and the fact that Leopard's original "Spring" launch seemed (originally) slated for the final day of that season.
Thanks for any information. Oh the waiting!
Yeah, I find it kinda hard to go back to Tiger. That's how much the Leopard UI grows on you, especially the dock.
Yeah, the current dock seems so basic after playing about with leopard, shame they took out that star wars holographic effect in photobooth, really really liked that one....
There will probably be an update as soon as it is released - Apple may be making the disks in the next few weeks, with a not-quite-ready Leopard, just to get it onto shelves in time.
*Crosses fingers it will come by 10.5.0*
cool - thanks for the info. will developers have any idea when it goes golden master and they start making the disks or is that, in good
fashion, a secret?cool - thanks for the info. will developers have any idea when it goes golden master and they start making the disks or is that, in good
A secret, but its a big secret to keep, and with all the leaks recently I wouldn't be surprised if word got out...
let's hope that secret leaks...
in terms of what you were talking about regarding the disk shipping to have them on shelves by launch and the quick update very soon after the launch, will the computers that begin shipping with leopard pre-installed all go out initially with 10.5.0 or will it be with 10.5.1 (the immediate update)? am wondering if they will have 10.5.0 in stores immediately on disks and, under your theory, actually ship the already updated version. would prefer to get a computer with the updated version pre-installed if i don't have to wait too long...
it used to be in photobooth too, ill check ichat to see if its in there anymore as well tommorow
I'm not crazy about the translucent menu bar because it seems a bit vista-ish and IMO kind of looks out of place with the rest of it. The icons look good to me but the dock is too shiny. I dont wanna see reflection of my windows down in the dock since it will look 'busy'
I dont know maybe I gotta see it in person instead of photos.
I dont know maybe I gotta see it in person instead of photos.