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They are just as fast as any version previously and just as stable

Really? It seems you don't use any PDF files or software to edit PDF files. Sierras PDFKit problems are only partially solved and its a shame that Apple released such as half baked code.

Furthermore neither Yosemite nor El Capitan were exactly inspiring, Yosemite had the Discoveryd fiasko and El Capitan had its share of USB bugs...
 
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Trying to submit a feedback and keeps getting an error about unable to send feedback. Anybody else?

Yes the first and last time I tried a few betas ago. I'd rather use that one: https://bugreport.apple.com


Also it's hidden here in the Developer Betas and seems to be very outdated:

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I really don't get the over the top love for Snow Leopard. Or iOS 6,7, etc. There is nothing wrong with either the newest macOS or iOS. They are just as fast as any version previously and just as stable. Even these new iOS 11/High Sierra betas are getting to be on par with 10/Sierra. Yeah sure there are nitpicky things for anal people but even those will go away.
Why pretend that it's more stable just because it came out later? There's no reason a new one can't be slower/buggier. I get a lot of use out of my Macs at work, so when there are bugs, I find them. I tinker with Macs at home, and I've already compared SL to ML and Sierra on the same hardware. I had to upgrade my Mac Pro to an SSD to use Mavericks because it was basically unusable otherwise. Again, most of the updates are fine, and High Sierra is looking good, but there's no hiding the mistakes.

As for the new iOS being "just as fast and just as stable," tell that to everyone who stays on old versions after their phone getting slower with every update. It's not in their heads. My iPhone keyboard now lags so much that I've given up on spelling anything correctly. I've been mostly OK with OS X updates, but I see iOS updates actually progressively screwing up my phone. I'd dump it for Android if I felt like spending more time messing with my phone, but I hardly care anyway, and I just want security updates.
 
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I personally don't care for conspiracy theorists, this whole planned obsolence talk has to stop. No way does your phone get slower with every update, it stays at the same speed you had out of the box, which of course is going to be slower than a newer iPhone. It's not like a software update is going to give you more RAM or a faster chip. That's asinine.
I never said anything about planned obsolescence. Just that most iOS updates slow down your existing phone, probably because they add more bloat. Take the same phone that's running iOS 6, install iOS 10, and suddenly it lags. It's a pretty obvious effect that everyone who's ever held onto an iPhone for long enough has seen. You can debate whether Apple does it on purpose, whether it matters, etc. I don't care about that anyway. But it's not debatable that newer iOS is slower.

Only reason I updated my iPhone was for security and to use the latest Xcode (which sucks BTW) for my job. Otherwise, I don't care in the slightest and just want to send messages and stuff.
 
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I never said anything about planned obsolescence. Just that most iOS updates slow down your existing phone, probably because they add more bloat. Take the same phone that's running iOS 6, install iOS 10, and suddenly it lags. It's a pretty obvious effect that everyone who's ever held onto an iPhone for long enough has seen. You can debate whether Apple does it on purpose, whether it matters, etc. I don't care about that anyway. But it's not debatable that newer iOS is slower.

Only reason I updated my iPhone was for security and to use the latest Xcode (which sucks BTW) for my job. Otherwise, I don't care in the slightest and just want to send messages and stuff.
I’ve never seen it. I’ve owned every iPhone generation since the original and used each for three years (passed from family member to family member). Each has worked at fine performance levels until retirement.
 
I don't know where you're getting that from given that the second link says the following:

"Systems with hard disk drives (HDD) and Fusion drives won't be converted to APFS."​

Meaning it is the conversion process that doesn't support fusion drives or bog standard rotating hard disks but there is nothing stopping you from doing a clean install and installing macOS from scratch by creating a bootable USB drive through the usual standard methods. That being said, what do the release notes actually say:

https://developer.apple.com/library...OSX/WhatsNewInOSX/Articles/macOS_10_13_0.html

"The OS Installer will automatically convert your system/root volume to APFS as a part of the installation process. The following formats are converted to APFS: plain HFS+, CoreStorage, FileVault encrypted, and Fusion systems."​

With the latest release notes saying:

"Some iMacs with 3TB Fusion drives and BootCamp may be unsupported for use with APFS."​

Meaning that fusion drives are actually supported but there are issues converting drives larger than 3TB which happen to have bootcamp.

Oops...

https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/apfsfusion

"If you installed a beta version of macOS High Sierra, the Fusion Drive in your Mac may have been converted to Apple File System. Because this configuration is not supported in the initial release of macOS High Sierra, we recommend that you follow the steps below to revert back to the previous disk format."
 
Oops...

https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/apfsfusion

"If you installed a beta version of macOS High Sierra, the Fusion Drive in your Mac may have been converted to Apple File System. Because this configuration is not supported in the initial release of macOS High Sierra, we recommend that you follow the steps below to revert back to the previous disk format."

It took you 2 weeks to finally come up with a reply? really? based on information that wasn't available at the time - this is your big 'gotcha' post?
 
It took you 2 weeks to finally come up with a reply? really? based on information that wasn't available at the time - this is your big 'gotcha' post?
The information was already available when I answered someone's question. You chose to disregard it and make incorrect assumptions about it, to use them to attempt to make yourself look smart.
 
The information was already available when I answered someone's question. You chose to disregard it and make incorrect assumptions about it, to use them to attempt to make yourself look smart.

And yet it took you two weeks to finally reply? sorry mate, you had the chance 2 weeks ago to do your show boating and you lost it so stop being a Hillary Clinton and move on.
 
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And yet it took you two weeks to finally reply? sorry mate, you had the chance 2 weeks ago to do your show boating and you lost it so stop being a Hillary Clinton and move on.
Haha. I wanted to see if you would double down on your original claim. You didn't, which is good to see. No showboating here, it's all good.
 
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