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Apple Seeds Ninth Beta of macOS High Sierra to Developers

GtrDude said:
Why can't they put a direct path in the Finder window to the folder in which you're working that you can copy and paste into another Finder instance?
This has always been available in Windows, as in literally always.
Just copy the location where you are and then paste it in another instance of Win Explorer and you're there!
Is this too hard for Apple to do this?
Is there something in the OS that strictly forbids this.
I'm not talking about dropping down a list of folders like what's obviously possible.
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I got an HP Z800 in the first week of when Win7 came out, July 2009.
It's used all day every day for 8 to 12 hours in a pro recording studio.
Still no signs of it even getting tired, let alone giving up its final breath....
I don't see why an 8 year old imac wouldn't be running like it did on day one.
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SSD is the biggest single improvement I've ever made to a computer(s). I put a SSD in a friend's Mac Mini and he couldn't believe the difference.
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macintoshmac said:
True. Just this week, I have organised and uploaded my entire library of photos to iCloud after taking a 200GB rental. Now I have access to all my photos everywhere, and including my family's. It feels good. So long as something does not go bust here, it feels really good with regards to photo access everywhere. iCloud keychain rocks for me. Handoff and Continuity not quite working as expected under High Sierra betas - as I type this, I should be able to continue typing this on any device - that does not happen, I can only come to the page and there will be the quote ready but not my response. APFS is a very good step forward. Do not have a Watch so can't say. Truly, these features are a genuine and remarkable step forward in terms of user experience.
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I've had iCloud Keychain **** the bed on me countless times. It just decides to stop syncing between Mac and iOS devices and you have no way of telling without manually looking at every password across your devices. I started using 1Password 6 months ago and I'm really happy with it.
 
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Breaks AVB capability as informed by Presonus. Probably means that all AVB (MOTU) for carrying sound over large distances using ethernet is not yet supported. I have to wait.
 
I'm sitting here, happily running Sierra, never gave a thought that they might NOT allow this upgrade to what I am already running... but I glanced at a page listing what machines HS will run on... a 2009 iMac, 2009 mini's and even a freaking 2009 laptop. YET not on my PRO tower from 2010. WTF?
 
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CLS7 said:
Can anyone confirm whether it is now possible to convert from HFS + to APFS with a Fusion Drive? either during installation or by logon into recovery mode and converting the Fusion Drive using the disk utility?

I have an iMac 27 inch, late 2015, with a 1 TB Fusion Drive.
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No APFS Fusion Drive support yet. Apple is still having issues. Fusion drives may never be supported, not sure.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...e-with-legacy-hdds-and-possibly-fusion-drives

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208018
 
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IG88 said:
I'll bet there are alot of Sandy Bridge 2600K / 2500K CPUs (circa 2011) out there alive and well. I know mine is.

I got a Dell XPS in 2010, swapped out the mobo and CPU for a i7-2600K in 2011. Upgraded to a SSD shortly after that.

A few weeks ago I migrated most of the parts over to a new case. New fans, new PSU, new water cooler, and new fan controller. Only parts from the original XPS left are the HDD and the optical drives.

I know this isn't much of a retort considering how little of the Dell is left, but even had I left the XPS stock it would be fine to install Win 10 on, especially by upgrading to a SSD.
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Work is a small studio, and a bunch of the machines are old Dimension C521. They were running XP (despite shipping with Vista? this is confusing because before me no one understood computers there so how did an OS swap happen?) and for some odd reason the experience has been better with W10 than W7. So I'd say as well that W10 isn't bad on older machines.

Now, if you're wondering why the hell they don't get rid of computers that are probably (not) older than I am, it's hard getting the time to lock down a conversation about upgrading the (very small) fleet.

Getting ready to try out a Pi with exagear and running Spotify through there to see how it does. If it's successful then it won't be so hard to replace at least one of the machines for ~$50, possibly ~$70 if a DAC board is purchased.
 
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IG88 said:
I've had iCloud Keychain **** the bed on me countless times. It just decides to stop syncing between Mac and iOS devices and you have no way of telling without manually looking at every password across your devices. I started using 1Password 6 months ago and I'm really happy with it.
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I might have experienced this as well. There have been some times I felt that a password should have popped up but did not, and later on did. But nothing to become a nuisance, at least for me. Free and Apple-backed password syncing across devices is more than what I want, and is convenient. I wanted to use password managers to store all my passwords, but I haven't gotten round to paying a subscription for them, and seeing as they are a super-obvious target, I would rather refrain.
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Eorlas said:
Work is a small studio, and a bunch of the machines are old Dimension C521. They were running XP (despite shipping with Vista? this is confusing because before me no one understood computers there so how did an OS swap happen?) and for some odd reason the experience has been better with W10 than W7. So I'd say as well that W10 isn't bad on older machines.

Now, if you're wondering why the hell they don't get rid of computers that are probably (not) older than I am, it's hard getting the time to lock down a conversation about upgrading the (very small) fleet.

Getting ready to try out a Pi with exagear and running Spotify through there to see how it does. If it's successful then it won't be so hard to replace at least one of the machines for ~$50, possibly ~$70 if a DAC board is purchased.
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W7 and W10 have been remarkably better in terms of feel. 8 and 8.1 felt slow again, but W7 was the first OS I was pleasantly surprised with after XP and Windows 2000. :p W10 continues that trend. It is quite good but it is still Microsoft with all its Microsoftiness very much intact.
 
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MrGimper said:
Just as 100 other people say “No thanks, I’ll stick with Snow Leopard” :)
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I still love SL and have been very dissatisfied with the newer versions*, but now I'm interested in High Sierra and its external GPU support. Hoping eGPUs and TB3 are well figured out soon because I want to replace my old Mac Pro with rMBP + eGPU + displays/HDDs/etc and have just a laptop that I dock at home. Desktop workstations are cool but won't make sense once I can have everything external.

* Doesn't mean I use SL. That would be dumb because it's unsupported and has known security vulnerabilities.
 
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IG88 said:
No APFS Fusion Drive support yet. Apple is still having issues. Fusion drives may never be supported, not sure.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...e-with-legacy-hdds-and-possibly-fusion-drives

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208018
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I don't know where you're getting that from given that the second link says the following:

"Systems with hard disk drives (HDD) and Fusion drives won't be converted to APFS."​

Meaning it is the conversion process that doesn't support fusion drives or bog standard rotating hard disks but there is nothing stopping you from doing a clean install and installing macOS from scratch by creating a bootable USB drive through the usual standard methods. That being said, what do the release notes actually say:

https://developer.apple.com/library...OSX/WhatsNewInOSX/Articles/macOS_10_13_0.html

"The OS Installer will automatically convert your system/root volume to APFS as a part of the installation process. The following formats are converted to APFS: plain HFS+, CoreStorage, FileVault encrypted, and Fusion systems."​

With the latest release notes saying:

"Some iMacs with 3TB Fusion drives and BootCamp may be unsupported for use with APFS."​

Meaning that fusion drives are actually supported but there are issues converting drives larger than 3TB which happen to have bootcamp.
 
Donovan Dillon said:
I know there are others who feel that way; but I don’t get it. What could possibly be so appealing about Snow Leopard that it is preferred over High Sierra and other subsequent OSs? o_O
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It's faster, way faster. Even faster than that if you're on an HDD, whereas Mavericks+ are basically unusable on HDDs for some reason. And I'd say more stable too.
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GtrDude said:
Why can't they put a direct path in the Finder window to the folder in which you're working that you can copy and paste into another Finder instance?
This has always been available in Windows, as in literally always.
Just copy the location where you are and then paste it in another instance of Win Explorer and you're there!
Is this too hard for Apple to do this?
Is there something in the OS that strictly forbids this.
I'm not talking about dropping down a list of folders like what's obviously possible.
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You can already show the current working path, and dragging a folder from it into another Finder window moves or copies it. They decided to have it do that instead, probably to keep consistent with the general "drag and drop to move/copy" features throughout the OS.
 
MrNomNoms said:
I don't know where you're getting that from given that the second link says the following:

"Systems with hard disk drives (HDD) and Fusion drives won't be converted to APFS."​

Meaning it is the conversion process that doesn't support fusion drives or bog standard rotating hard disks but there is nothing stopping you from doing a clean install and installing macOS from scratch by creating a bootable USB drive through the usual standard methods. That being said, what do the release notes actually say:

https://developer.apple.com/library...OSX/WhatsNewInOSX/Articles/macOS_10_13_0.html

"The OS Installer will automatically convert your system/root volume to APFS as a part of the installation process. The following formats are converted to APFS: plain HFS+, CoreStorage, FileVault encrypted, and Fusion systems."​

With the latest release notes saying:

"Some iMacs with 3TB Fusion drives and BootCamp may be unsupported for use with APFS."​

Meaning that fusion drives are actually supported but there are issues converting drives larger than 3TB which happen to have bootcamp.
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the same thing was said about raid and so far nothing, yes i can create a raid array in HS but HS will only let you create that raid array on mac os journaled, then after you created the RAID array you can erase the raid volume and change the format to APFS, so you see is a little tricky, why not give me that option from the beginning, i tried cloning HS in APFS to my RAID0 array and it did cloned successfully but i can't boot from it, i can only boot my raid0 in High Sierra using mac os journaled = HFS+

i know we still on beta stage so i still have to wait maybe they fixed in the next version or maybe they never will, i really love apple and i like APFS but why take RAID support away, this is starting to look like El Capitan all over again. i rather hit 12,000 MBPS in HFS+ vs 3,000 with a single drive in APFS
 
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Eorlas said:
Work is a small studio, and a bunch of the machines are old Dimension C521. They were running XP (despite shipping with Vista? this is confusing because before me no one understood computers there so how did an OS swap happen?) and for some odd reason the experience has been better with W10 than W7. So I'd say as well that W10 isn't bad on older machines.

Now, if you're wondering why the hell they don't get rid of computers that are probably (not) older than I am, it's hard getting the time to lock down a conversation about upgrading the (very small) fleet.

Getting ready to try out a Pi with exagear and running Spotify through there to see how it does. If it's successful then it won't be so hard to replace at least one of the machines for ~$50, possibly ~$70 if a DAC board is purchased.
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Most of our employees have fairly new laptops but I'm one of the few that has a SSD. Brand new Broadwell / Skylake laptops with HDD are still painfully slow.
 
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Still no hardware support in that beta for watching h265 mp4 video (recorded with iPhone 7 ios11 beta) on newest macbook pros? I only have software support for late 2016 15 MacBook Pro.
 
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MrNomNoms said:
I don't know where you're getting that from given that the second link says the following:

"Systems with hard disk drives (HDD) and Fusion drives won't be converted to APFS."​

Meaning it is the conversion process that doesn't support fusion drives or bog standard rotating hard disks but there is nothing stopping you from doing a clean install and installing macOS from scratch by creating a bootable USB drive through the usual standard methods. That being said, what do the release notes actually say:

https://developer.apple.com/library...OSX/WhatsNewInOSX/Articles/macOS_10_13_0.html

"The OS Installer will automatically convert your system/root volume to APFS as a part of the installation process. The following formats are converted to APFS: plain HFS+, CoreStorage, FileVault encrypted, and Fusion systems."​

With the latest release notes saying:

"Some iMacs with 3TB Fusion drives and BootCamp may be unsupported for use with APFS."​

Meaning that fusion drives are actually supported but there are issues converting drives larger than 3TB which happen to have bootcamp.
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I'm getting it directly from from Apple's support document dated Aug 21.

When you upgrade to macOS High Sierra, systems with all flash storage configurations are converted automatically. Systems with hard disk drives (HDD) and Fusion drives won't be converted to APFS. You can't opt-out of the transition to APFS.
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Type4O said:
My goodness, that had started happening to me and I thought my iMac was freezing. Never even thought it wasn’t just the brightness.
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So, that is not the issue I have. My screen appears to be on and the iMac runs hot. The fan does not come on. I cannot wake the screen. I think it’s freezing. Anyway, it did again after installing b9. May reinstall.
 
Im still having a bug that makes music in preview still play if when i shut it and everything's shut and have to restart anyone else got this
 
Ok here is the full APFS info from the above mentioned document


System
  • New in macOS 10.13 - APFS support.
    • The OS Installer will automatically convert your system/root volume to APFS as a part of the installation process. The following formats are converted to APFS: plain HFS+, CoreStorage, FileVault encrypted, and Fusion systems.

    • APFS is now supported as a boot volume with full, native EFI support.

    • File Vault is fully supported by APFS on macOS.

    • APFS supports case-insensitive and case-sensitive variants.

    • APFS now supports an on-disk format change to allow for normalization-insensitive Case Sensitive volumes. This means that file names in either Unicode NFC or NFD will point to the same files.

    • Backup Support for APFS source volumes is now supported. The backup destination should still remain HFS+ in this release.

    • APFS supports up to Unicode revision 9 for filenames. HFS+ supported only up to revision 3.2.

    • APFS supports exporting of volumes over SMB and NFS.


      That is all of it not fragments to try to prove a point

      Note the first point it include fusion drives
 
BWhaler said:
I've heard this is really buggy and people are speculating it won't ship in September. Odd, for a "catch-up" on the fundamentals release.

Any views from people who have used the betas?
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The first few betas were really buggy and did not run well at all (particularly on older macs), however the past few have been rock solid for me. I'm very happy with how High Sierra performs on my Early 2011 MBP, though thats probably down to the SSD i installed a few months back.
 
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Don’t do it... it caused me to have to restore Sierra. Display only showed a circle with line through it when booting and wouldn’t boot into High Sierra. When I checked the drives with disk utility, both my HDD and SSD weren’t formatted and APFS was corrupt. It’s a known issue and now the question is whether apple fixes it or not.
 
dan9700 said:
Im still having a bug that makes music in preview still play if when i shut it and everything's shut and have to restart anyone else got this
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I did. Maybe still do. But last I checked, it went off after a while. Or if I previewed anything else. Try it. I will try on beta 9 tomorrow and report.
 
Barking mad said:
Ok here is the full APFS info from the above mentioned document


System
  • New in macOS 10.13 - APFS support.
    • The OS Installer will automatically convert your system/root volume to APFS as a part of the installation process. The following formats are converted to APFS: plain HFS+, CoreStorage, FileVault encrypted, and Fusion systems.

    • APFS is now supported as a boot volume with full, native EFI support.

    • File Vault is fully supported by APFS on macOS.

    • APFS supports case-insensitive and case-sensitive variants.

    • APFS now supports an on-disk format change to allow for normalization-insensitive Case Sensitive volumes. This means that file names in either Unicode NFC or NFD will point to the same files.

    • Backup Support for APFS source volumes is now supported. The backup destination should still remain HFS+ in this release.

    • APFS supports up to Unicode revision 9 for filenames. HFS+ supported only up to revision 3.2.

    • APFS supports exporting of volumes over SMB and NFS.


      That is all of it not fragments to try to prove a point

      Note the first point it include fusion drives
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Yep, and what you posted was dated July.

The support article I referenced was dated Aug 21.
 
fairuz said:
It's faster, way faster. Even faster than that if you're on an HDD, whereas Mavericks+ are basically unusable on HDDs for some reason. And I'd say more stable too.
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You can already show the current working path, and dragging a folder from it into another Finder window moves or copies it. They decided to have it do that instead, probably to keep consistent with the general "drag and drop to move/copy" features throughout the OS.
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I know you can see it. That's obvious.
I wasn't concerned with that.
 
ke-iron said:
Why would you stick with snow leopard? Are you one of those people that do not want to upgrade because your illegally owned apps will no longer work? Just asking because I have a friend that refuses to upgrade for that reason. If he upgrades it won't work because of some kind of verification feature built into the newer OS over the recent years. Aside from that, there is no real advantage to remaining on an older Mac OS.
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There are no anti-piracy features in the newer OSs. People stay on the old ones because the new ones aren't as well built and run slower. Apple even managed to eff up the wifi in Yosemite and never fully fixed it. But I'd rather spend the money on newer hardware to support the slower code and get security updates... else I switch to Linux and waste my time with random crap like graphics driver problems.
 
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