Others have already given me some legitimate reasons to stay, but you make it sound like Apple is making Mac OS progressively worse.
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Apple Seeds Ninth Beta of macOS High Sierra to Developers
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Others have already given me some legitimate reasons to stay, but you make it sound like Apple is making Mac OS progressively worse.
Not progressively worse. I think Lion and Mavericks were two big screwups in terms of speed/stability, and the ones after have been generally getting better. And feature-wise, I prefer the new ones. But I'm pretty sure everyone agrees SL is faster than everything that came after, and many would also say it's more stable.
Wow, NOBODY is running the last, best 2010 Tower? The one that can happily run S, but not HS? As opposed to pretty much all the 2009 machines than CAN run HS? Just trying to understand why I am being shut out of HS when I CAN run S...
I would have to say Sierra is the fastest and stable OS I’ve used, but I am running it on a new 13” MacBook Pro touchbar 256gig flash, 8gig RAM, base model. This is way faster than any of my previous Mac on any other OS. This is incredible, considering the newer OS runs more background services, and will only get better with high sierra because the new file system is optimized for flash storage. I can’t wait to see the next level responsiveness. My new 13” is faster than my previous 15” from a few years ago, absolutely incredible.
Im curious to know where the bottle neck is in today’s system. For years it has been the hard drive but now that’s gone we have super fast computers with flash storage. But with the current SSD and RAM speeds, shouldn’t everything be instantaneous including boot time? I mean we’re pretty much there when opening apps. My computer takes a few seconds to login window from a cold boot. But shouldn’t booting the computer be much faster considering the technical specs of flash memory in these devices?
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Good question! I haven't tried it, but my guess would be yes. Another unanswered question I have is whether a complete wipe is necessary to benefit from the new partitioning scheme and sharing of free space among partitions, or whether the simple file system upgrade will benefit.
It's not fair to compare High Sierra on a Mac that's much more powerful than your older ones. I own many older Macs and have tried different OSs on them. I've taken Macs that seem pretty fast with Sierra, then I put Snow Leopard on them and am even more impressed. Bootup time, app launch, responsiveness of GUI elements, other random slowdowns...
For boot time alone, my uninformed guess is that the motherboard and peripherals take time to initialize. For app startup, some third-party apps might do something less-than-ideal like synchronous requests over the internet (round trip time bottleneck) or rendering the entire window from a local webpage (CPU bottleneck if it's heavy enough). If it's none of those, my guess is RAM, which is still really slow compared to CPU cache. Upon app startup, all memory accesses will miss the cache and go to RAM. And some apps that are randomly accessing a large amount of memory will miss the cache too often even after the first access. "IOPS" performance is still a thing to worry about with SSDs, but I expect most apps will load everything in only a few operations.
Interesting. I hope I can live to see the day where everything is done in milliseconds. I think they’d have to do a complete redesign of the computer system. Maybe a single large chip with cpu, fastest ram and gpu, Bluetooth and wireless integrated into one? Some people might say it’s a bad idea or can’t be done. But pretty much we’ve been using the same architecture for decades, and maybe in order to achieve the ultimate speed, we need a complete redesign. I’m 31 now, and I can’t wait to see what we’ll have in the next 20 years.
It’s like newer cars such as Porsche, when equipped with dual clutch PDK transmission and you manually shift up or down it’s so fast that humans can not detect any lag. The same time you click the paddle shifter the transmission shifts, it’s mind blowing how fast it is, something you have to see to believe.
Sorry for going off topic but I just can’t wait till computers get that fast.
IDK enough about hardware to comment on the single chip thing, but one speedup trick is to keep everything pre-initialized or initialize things in the background as much as possible. We already kinda do it by leaving all our apps open, but of course there are limitations like CPU context switching and RAM size / access time (I group size and access time together because it's a tradeoff). I doubt they're going to try and get bootup time below 5 seconds unless there ends up being some new reason why that's important, considering that it's only about 5 seconds per month we spend.
High Sierra runs fine and installs without any problem on a 2010 Mac Pro. There's no distinction between the 2010 and 2012 models in terms of High Sierra support.
SL was perfect, however if you use it now it seems very limited. Most of the newer features that come with the OS are of no interest to me, however I upgrade as Apple stops support for the older builds so they become less secure, also I always end up with an app that depends on the newest release. That said other than a few glitches High Sierra has a distinct performace boost. I've gotten most of my software to run now, I supect with 10.13.1 and everything has caught up it'll be a very good release.
High Sierra is a very good beta at the moment. My only crib is that it shows NO particular embrace of Touch ID on the Mac and Touch Bar.
Good to hear. This is the first time I've been excited about a Mac OS release in years. I use my Mac for work and just want it to work right so I can do my work. Previous updates have been more annoying than useful.
Water coolers still a thing ehh? LOL! I haven't heard of anyone using water cooled CPUs in ages... high school maybe. LOL
Was high school yesterday for you?
There are plenty of people using closed loop liquid cooling. Just because you haven't heard of it "in ages" doesn't make it obscure.
Corsair makes a compact PC with closed loop cooling for the CPU and GPU.
- INTEL I7-7700K, LIQUID COOLED
- NVIDIA GTX 1080, LIQUID COOLED
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/one
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Does High Sierra support any of the newer audio codecs for surround sound including DTS-HD-Ma, Dolby Digital +, Dolby TrueHD, etc? What is the point of supporting HEVC if audio is still stuck in the 90s.
Because touch bar is a flop. I never use it because I’m looking at the screen, not the keyboard, and there is no tactile response to the touch bar so you can’t do it by touch.
Touch Bar is not entirely a flop for me. In fact, I have touched the bar far more times in 10 months of ownership of 2016 MBP than I touched the buttons in 5 years of owning the 2011 MBP. I only ever manipulated brightness and volume controls on the 2011 MBP and used the Esc key, obviously. Brightness rarely.
The dynamic controls that change with the app and according to my own preferences increase my productivity manyfold. On the Touch Bar I use app specific controls in apps that support TB and this gives a good boost to my workflow.
Safari
1. New Tab button in Safari means I do not "Apple T" anymore or drag the pointer to + sign in the far right.
2. Add Bookmark means I do not "Apple D" anymore or drag pointer to Share button.
Finder
1. New Folder button means I do not right click and New Folder anymore, or "Apple Shift N" anymore.
2. Add Folder from Selection button means I do not create a new folder and then select files and drag to the folder in Finder, I now simply select and press that one button.
3. Delete button means I do not "Apple Delete" or right click "Move to Trash" anymore, although that gets done a lot habitually since I only started serious customisation last month.
- - - some of the options I have explored.
Transmit 5
Transmit 5 has excellent Touch Bar support that allows me to continue workflow better and seamlessly as well as use the app slightly faster than I could use Transmit 4.
Bear Writer
1. Bear Writer has all the text manipulating options right there on the TB and I do not have to remember them or look for them. I can instead keep typing and hit the touch bar for what option I need when.
These are, again, some of options I have explored and I regularly use a handful of software only even though I explore and know of many. So, TB is NOT a flop for me, not by a long shot.
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Fond memories of iMac G3 due to your avatar picture featuring the indigo G3. Beautiful, tasteful devices. Today's iMac in your office is very good, but having that one on your desk was a different statement altogether. Screamed creative. Today, it just screams "iMac".
Not quite sure how much sarcasm is attached by that comment.Just as 100 other people say “No thanks, I’ll stick with Snow Leopard”
Snow Leopard still has much going for it.
1) Fast.
2) Stable.
3) Less Bloat
4) Compatible with Intel Core Duo Macs
5) and Rosetta
Has anyone else had trouble with a Brother HL2240D printer and the HS public beta 8? I was able to print through the previous beta versions but it stopped now and I'm trying to figure out if it is definitively the latest beta that is the cause.
Well said @macintoshmac. While not perfect, I'm loving the progress in Mac hardware and software functionality, performance and quality. Though I do hope the MAS gets some love and attention to reviving developer enthusiasm in the next cycle.
I was just about to start a thread about this! In fact I think I will...