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Anybody install 10.9.1 yet? Notice ANYTHING different?

Yes. The version number changed.

The business class showstopper I had with 10.9.0 appears to have been fixed with this 10.9.1. I didn't see this particular problem complained about in this thread when I skimmed through it. Unfortunately, the NDA blocks any useful discussion outside of Apple's dev/beta forum until the product release.
 
So what? They linked one of their products with another. Companies do that all the time. As for whether or not it is questionable, that is your opinion.

I don't know what companies you're referring to who do this sort of thing. When Google linked their stuff, they made a mess of YouTube. I would have accepted being linked to Google+ if it didn't change how my channel worked. Besides, nobody cares about Google+.

The new comment layout sucks because it's glitchy. The replies are messed up and often show up improperly (like a comment that wasn't a reply shows up as a reply), and you can't tell who is replying to who in some cases. You have to switch to chronological view every time you want to see the latest comments on a video.

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And what color should it be if the file has more than one tag?

What if it split the label up between the colors? Or couldn't they just have tags AND color labels?
 
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But many people don't want their channels linked to Google Plus since it messes with the channel in certain ways, and it has nothing to do with commenting anyway. What if you don't want to use their social network? What company links two things together then forces old users to sign up for new stuff? AND they removed the important inbox feature, which definitely didn't have to happen. Whoever thought about removing the inbox must have been smoking something.

The new comment layout sucks because it's glitchy. The replies are messed up and often show up improperly (like a comment that wasn't a reply shows up as a reply), and you can't tell who is replying to who in some cases. If someone has a different opinion and thinks THAT is good, I don't know what to say.

A) Then go somewhere else. The people who make the videos don't have to put them on YouTube. Also, they could link their page to a special page just for their channel. They don't have to link it to themselves. It kind of sucks that people are being forced to use the social network, but ... we all have known about this for a long time. We knew this was coming. We have known about this for a while.

B) The inbox thing is a good point.

C) Yep, glitches suck. That happened to me a few times in the old system, though. Mostly it happened the opposite way, where my response wasn't linked.
 
A) Then go somewhere else. The people who make the videos don't have to put them on YouTube. Also, they could link their page to a special page just for their channel. They don't have to link it to themselves. It kind of sucks that people are being forced to use the social network, but ... we all have known about this for a long time. We knew this was coming. We have known about this for a while.

B) The inbox thing is a good point.

C) Yep, glitches suck. That happened to me a few times in the old system, though. Mostly it happened the opposite way, where my response wasn't linked.

Unfortunately, nothing else is even useable yet or has enough users. If there's going to be a switch, we have to wait :/ But I loved YouTube before and wish they kept it nice or at least linked G+ to it in a less intrusive way.
 
Mavericks,
Really speechless on this Wal-mart upgrade......the glitches are way too long to list. I waited almost 2 years just to do the Lion thing which was never fully functioning.

Apple went from bad to worse. In 20 years, this OS ranks #1 on the rotten apple scale.....Even though it was free, I want my money back....

RC

2012 Mac Pro 2 x 2.66 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon, 96 GB RAM, Radeon HD 7950 3GB VRAM, 12.5 TB's internal (3.5 GB's SSD and 9 TB's HD Raid-0), external- Dual 12 TB OWC Qx2 drives via eSata connected to OWC 480 GB PCIe SSD and lots more..

Because everyone's experience is different, based on how they use their machines, types of machines, software, workflow, etc, it might help the thread if you were to list some of the things you find make this the worst upgrade in 20 years.
 
Unfortunately, nothing else is even useable yet or has enough users. If there's going to be a switch, we have to wait :/ But I loved YouTube before and wish they kept it nice or at least linked G+ to it in a less intrusive way.

Blip.tv is a goo enough option. And it won't have enough users unless people move to it. Also, I didn't find it intrusive at all. I just clicked "okay", moved over to there, and then kept doing what I was already doing.
 
how about if they'll put back Safari's history button?... :confused:

Why? You have History in the menu bar.

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Anyone else want iOS 7 style fonts and icons in OSX? It doesn't have to be a major redesign, just some minor changes to make the two interfaces more consistent.

I do. I'm tired of the OS X interface. Slowly but surely they are getting rid of the candy shiny stuff, so I hope they continue in this fashion.

No more shiny blue buttons! ;)
 
Any update to Reminders in 10.9.1?

I'm really hoping they will re-skin Reminders.app in Mavericks ASAP - it's the one app that still looks entirely like it's iOS 6 counterpart. Can someone with the beta take a look to see if it's changed? Thanks!
 
Please fix Photoshop please please please!!!

First off Apple doesn't make Photoshop.

But what's wrong with it? I have no problems with either CS 6 or CC in Mavericks.

I use it every day.

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1) The trackpad forward/backward swipe gestures don't work (before anyone asks, yes, the settings have been enabled and double-checked.) They work fine in Safari, but not in Finder (they used to in ALL previous versions of OS X).

It NEVER worked for me in the Finder. I use BetterTouch Tool just to add the Back and Forward gestures to the Finder.

I'm on a iMac with a Magic Trackpad, but that shouldn't matter.

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Hmmmm, no problems here with CS 6 or CC.

Maybe I'm lucky? The only issue is it takes a bit longer to launch.
 
Mavericks,
Really speechless on this Wal-mart upgrade......the glitches are way too long to list. I waited almost 2 years just to do the Lion thing which was never fully functioning.

Apple went from bad to worse. In 20 years, this OS ranks #1 on the rotten apple scale.....Even though it was free, I want my money back....

RC

2012 Mac Pro 2 x 2.66 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon, 96 GB RAM, Radeon HD 7950 3GB VRAM, 12.5 TB's internal (3.5 GB's SSD and 9 TB's HD Raid-0), external- Dual 12 TB OWC Qx2 drives via eSata connected to OWC 480 GB PCIe SSD and lots more..

In 20 years, that's got to be about the most ridiculous, absurd and untrue thing I've ever read. Snow Leopard was horrible on V1.0. Lion was horrible on just about every version. Mountain Lion 10.8.5 was darn near perfect so it's easy to think Mavericks made a mess, but frankly overall, I think Mavericks is one of the more stable "1.0" major label releases of OSX. I think too many people on here have their underwear in a bunch over nothing. Most remaining bugs will be gone in 10.9.1 or 10.9.2. People would jump right into a 1.0 release and expect things to be perfect on the first release don't know the history of OSX and quite frankly deserve what they get for not waiting to hear reports of stability. Besides, anyone with half a grain wisdom would have a CCC backup of their previous OSX version to be able to move back to if the new version had major issues. Frankly, I find the issues with Mavericks to be extremely minor and mostly superficial, but what is gained is worth it, especially if one uses multiple monitors.

And WTF is a "Wal-mart upgrade" :confused: Wal-mart is a store, not an upgrade so it really makes no sense at all. In any case, Wal-mart is for the masses, so if anything is Wal-mart-like it's Windows8, which still gets slow as molasses as you add more programs and the drives still fragment like crazy. OSX has NEVER had those problems. Your other alternative is Linux (I just hope you're not crazy about commercial software if that's your thing).
 
Can Apple fix network drives automatically connecting at login that automatically open a Finder window, whether hidden or not?

This has been a glitch since Leopard.
 
In 20 years, that's got to be about the most ridiculous, absurd and untrue thing I've ever read. Snow Leopard was horrible on V1.0. Lion was horrible on just about every version. Mountain Lion 10.8.5 was darn near perfect so it's easy to think Mavericks made a mess, but frankly overall, I think Mavericks is one of the more stable "1.0" major label releases of OSX. I think too many people on here have their underwear in a bunch over nothing. Most remaining bugs will be gone in 10.9.1 or 10.9.2. People would jump right into a 1.0 release and expect things to be perfect on the first release don't know the history of OSX and quite frankly deserve what they get for not waiting to hear reports of stability. Besides, anyone with half a grain wisdom would have a CCC backup of their previous OSX version to be able to move back to if the new version had major issues. Frankly, I find the issues with Mavericks to be extremely minor and mostly superficial, but what is gained is worth it, especially if one uses multiple monitors.

And WTF is a "Wal-mart upgrade" :confused: Wal-mart is a store, not an upgrade so it really makes no sense at all. In any case, Wal-mart is for the masses, so if anything is Wal-mart-like it's Windows8, which still gets slow as molasses as you add more programs and the drives still fragment like crazy. OSX has NEVER had those problems. Your other alternative is Linux (I just hope you're not crazy about commercial software if that's your thing).

I agree with this 100%! If the OP has been using Macs for 20 years, are you going to tell me that ANY version of System 7 was better than ANY version of OS X?

I remember with OS X 10.0 that even though I couldn't do too much in it, and mostly had to boot into OS 9, the mere fact that I could launch multiple applications at once, and then switch back to another one and not have to stare at a startup splash screen, and also not have the Mac freeze for no reason at all, was a revelation. Not having to manually set memory use for apps? Real multi tasking and virtual memory that worked? The list goes on and on.

I found nothing special about Snow Leopard except it fixed bugs in Leopard. I also thought Mountain Lion was rock solid, but I had no issues with Lion either.

So far Mavericks has not giving me any major problems. Occasionally the Finder gets unresponsive, and it takes FOREVER to draw in a window's icons. But that's not really new, and I don't send a lot of time in the Finder anyway.

I had hoped they would have fixed Spotlight, which sucks big time and has for a while. But I started using a free app called Found, which is many times better.
 
The OS We Knew

I have no idea where this is going... Mavericks is a huge mess. Huge. Nothing really works. Especially Apple's own apps. FCPx, Logic Pro, Mail, Safari etc are all causing the console to throw 'LOG MESSAGE QUOTA EXCEEDE' - to those who don't know, that means LOTs of errors. The Graphic Drivers are out of whack.... completely. And while the Apple Team makes videos about how GREAT everything works, all their users are reaching high levels of frustration....

The OS X, I once knew is totally gone and reminds me of something Microsoft would have released 4 years ago. Sad times for Apple users, indeed. Steve's gone and so is S. Forestall...

Wow
 
I have no idea where this is going... Mavericks is a huge mess. Huge. Nothing really works. Especially Apple's own apps. FCPx, Logic Pro, Mail, Safari etc are all causing the console to throw 'LOG MESSAGE QUOTA EXCEEDE' - to those who don't know, that means LOTs of errors. The Graphic Drivers are out of whack.... completely. And while the Apple Team makes videos about how GREAT everything works, all their users are reaching high levels of frustration....

The OS X, I once knew is totally gone and reminds me of something Microsoft would have released 4 years ago. Sad times for Apple users, indeed. Steve's gone and so is S. Forestall...

Wow

1) Scott Forstall had nothing to do with OS X.

2) I am having literally none of the issues that you are having. Mavericks is working flawlessly for me.
 
I wonder when two-finger swipe for back/forward navigation in Finder will be implemented, it is getting pretty annoying not to have it...
 
I have no idea where this is going... Mavericks is a huge mess. Huge. Nothing really works. Especially Apple's own apps. FCPx, Logic Pro, Mail, Safari etc are all causing the console to throw 'LOG MESSAGE QUOTA EXCEEDE' - to those who don't know, that means LOTs of errors. The Graphic Drivers are out of whack.... completely. And while the Apple Team makes videos about how GREAT everything works, all their users are reaching high levels of frustration....

The OS X, I once knew is totally gone and reminds me of something Microsoft would have released 4 years ago. Sad times for Apple users, indeed. Steve's gone and so is S. Forestall...

Wow

That must be your Mac. I have none of those problems, and it sounds like most other people aren't having them either.

I had one piece of software that didn't work after the update, and once I updated that all is fine.

I use Logic Pro X, Mail, Safari, Pro Tools 9, Cubase 7, the Adobe CS 6 and CC suite... everything works.

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Since I upgraded to Mavericks I can´t change the default wallpaper, it´s really annoying:mad:

That has to be your computer, and has nothing to do with Mavericks. I change my wall paper all the time.

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I wonder when two-finger swipe for back/forward navigation in Finder will be implemented, it is getting pretty annoying not to have it...

I agree, but I got BetterTouchTool and now I have the two finger swipe in the Finder for forward and back.
 
I agree with this 100%! If the OP has been using Macs for 20 years, are you going to tell me that ANY version of System 7 was better than ANY version of OS X?

Don't forget how buggy OS9 was, even in the final version. I had OS9 as a secondary bootable OS on my PowerMac Digital Audio and the final release of OS9 still crashed too darn often, IMO.

I remember with OS X 10.0 that even though I couldn't do too much in it, and mostly had to boot into OS 9, the mere fact that I could launch multiple applications at once, and then switch back to another one and not have to

I came late to the Mac game. I had a Commodore Vic20 in '81, a Commodore 64 in '82 until 1989 and then an Amiga 500 and then an Amiga 3000 in 1991 until 1999 so multi-tasking and a stable operating system with the Amiga was nothing new to me. If anything, OSX reminds me more of the Amiga than it does the old classic Mac OS, which probably explains why I like the Mac now and didn't like it much then. I got a PC in 1999 and Win98 wasn't the most horrible thing I could imagine, but it crashed a lot (but loads of cool games to play).

I didn't get a Mac until 2006 when I bought a used PowerMac Digital Audio at a computer show in Allentown, PA while there for the Pinball Wizards convention just to try the thing out. It had OSX 10.3 on it with a dual CPU 500MHz G4 and crappy ATI Rage128 card in it. It was enough to find the operating system interesting so I updated to 10.4 Tiger and threw OS9 on there just to play with it (since I missed that period) which let me run some really old Mac games from the '90s among other things and try out the old iTunes and other older software I found online just to see what the experience was like.

Upon trying the more modern iTunes I got this crazy idea of starting a whole house audio system when AppleTV came out, so I updated the hardware on it to a 1.8GHz G4 with 1.5GB ram and an ATI 9800Pro and SataII card with dual 1.5GB Barracuda drives, which not only powered my whole house audio/video system from 2007 until late 2012 when I got my current Mac Mini to replace it, but let me play all kinds of games from year 2000+ time period on it. Really, it performed quite well until about 2010 when the Net seemed to get slower and slower and eventually browser support dried up and when iTunes was no longer available, I decided it was time to replace it in 2012, but I waited for the newer Mini model with USB3.

So between that and trying Linux during my PC years, I've played with just about every major OS incarnation in one form or another save perhaps AtariST which I only have used emulators for. I had Atari 800s back in school and all kinds of UNIX based workstations in college in the '90s. So when I say 10.9 Mavericks is a GOOD operating system, I'm not kidding.

Yeah, they could optimize drivers and get OpenGL even further up-to-date to improve gaming support, but other than games, OSX just blows away the Windows experience, which starts out "OK" but gets progressively worse as you add programs and constantly have to update for security issues...like EVERY day it seemed like, run virus and malware checkers all the time and deal with fragmented hard drives and just deal with the fact that a large registry slows boot times no matter how immaculate you keep the system. I never had those issues on an Amiga. You didn't even have to shut it down. You could normally just turn off the power. I ran a browser in the late '90s on a computer that was never designed for it with a mere 68030 with only 18MB ram with an added graphics card (using Picasso drivers) for 24-bit color browsing. That would have been impossible on any PC out there with those kind of specs. Efficiency shouldn't be underrated. Just because more powerful CPUs mean you CAN make an OS more bloated, it doesn't mean you should and it concerns me that iOS is getting so very bloated these days that I can't update my iPod Touch 4th Gen model to iOS7 when it's only one model behind.

Bloat is bad and I wish Apple would remember that. They have the resources to keep things efficient. They have the resources to keep OSX ahead of the curve. Yeah, Macs aren't known for gaming, for example, but Apple could certainly do a lot to change that, even if just by keeping graphics drivers optimized and OpenGL up-to-date. That would help plenty of things other than just games, for that matter. I don't see why OSX should play second fiddle to Windows for ANY function. It should be up to the user to decide how to use his/her machine, not Apple.

I have no idea where this is going... Mavericks is a huge mess. Huge. Nothing really works. Especially Apple's own apps. FCPx, Logic Pro, Mail, Safari etc are all causing the console to throw 'LOG MESSAGE QUOTA EXCEEDE' - to those who don't know, that means LOTs of errors. The Graphic Drivers are out of whack.... completely. And while the Apple Team makes videos about how GREAT everything works, all their users are reaching high levels of frustration....

The OS X, I once knew is totally gone and reminds me of something Microsoft would have released 4 years ago. Sad times for Apple users, indeed. Steve's gone and so is S. Forestall...

Wow

I think your computer must be damaged or something. I get NO SUCH ERRORS and have zero problems now other than my mouse not waking up from sleep (which may be a hardware conflict since the same mouse wakes find on my Macbook Pro with Mavericks).
 
1) Scott Forstall had nothing to do with OS X.

2) I am having literally none of the issues that you are having. Mavericks is working flawlessly for me.

I second this.

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I have no idea where this is going... Mavericks is a huge mess. Huge. Nothing really works. Especially Apple's own apps. FCPx, Logic Pro, Mail, Safari etc are all causing the console to throw 'LOG MESSAGE QUOTA EXCEEDE' - to those who don't know, that means LOTs of errors. The Graphic Drivers are out of whack.... completely. And while the Apple Team makes videos about how GREAT everything works, all their users are reaching high levels of frustration....

The OS X, I once knew is totally gone and reminds me of something Microsoft would have released 4 years ago. Sad times for Apple users, indeed. Steve's gone and so is S. Forestall...

Wow

No, I think you just have a corrupted installation of Mavericks. It happened to my mom and broke everything, and the installer didn't work the first time I tried it on a MacBook Pro. Something's weird with the installation procedure.

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Yeah, Macs aren't known for gaming, for example, but Apple could certainly do a lot to change that, even if just by keeping graphics drivers optimized and OpenGL up-to-date. That would help plenty of things other than just games, for that matter. I don't see why OSX should play second fiddle to Windows for ANY function. It should be up to the user to decide how to use his/her machine, not Apple.

My Mac running OS X can play every game I want and a lot that I don't except for two that I rarely play, but I have to use WINE to play Age of Empires II HD. I don't see what's bad about Mac OS X itself for games other than the drivers sometimes being somewhat outdated, which shouldn't be a big deal, right?

I think the main issues are the lack of DirectX, which some games use, and the inability to upgrade the GPU on most Macs. I upgraded my Mac Pro's GPU to a GTX 650Ti Boost (not at all primarily for games), which is considered "low end" but blows away anything that could have come with my computer back in 2008. It could play anything if I were to boot my Mac into Windows for the games that don't have Mac versions. If you can't upgrade the GPU on your computer, you're stuck buying a new computer if you want to play new games. And while I loathe the "gamers'" addiction to graphically intense first-person shooters, it's a fact that many people care about having the hardware to make the game look good.

But I still think any game that uses the GPU much more than the CPU is a mindless game that I don't want to play very much. Chess vs Call of Duty :)
 
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That must be your Mac. I have none of those problems, and it sounds like most other people aren't having them either.

I had one piece of software that didn't work after the update, and once I updated that all is fine.

I use Logic Pro X, Mail, Safari, Pro Tools 9, Cubase 7, the Adobe CS 6 and CC suite... everything works.

I bet the whole adobe community are willing to disagree. Check their forums.

The storm on apple's communities & Adobe's are severe in comparison to any other OSX release I have witnessed which is all of them ;.) Guess we all have different thresholds to what is great and what is not.

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Don't forget how buggy OS9 was, even in the final version. I had OS9 as a secondary bootable OS on my PowerMac Digital Audio and the final release of OS9 still crashed too darn often, IMO.



I came late to the Mac game. I had a Commodore Vic20 in '81, a Commodore 64 in '82 until 1989 and then an Amiga 500 and then an Amiga 3000 in 1991 until 1999 so multi-tasking and a stable operating system with the Amiga was nothing new to me. If anything, OSX reminds me more of the Amiga than it does the old classic Mac OS, which probably explains why I like the Mac now and didn't like it much then. I got a PC in 1999 and Win98 wasn't the most horrible thing I could imagine, but it crashed a lot (but loads of cool games to play).

I didn't get a Mac until 2006 when I bought a used PowerMac Digital Audio at a computer show in Allentown, PA while there for the Pinball Wizards convention just to try the thing out. It had OSX 10.3 on it with a dual CPU 500MHz G4 and crappy ATI Rage128 card in it. It was enough to find the operating system interesting so I updated to 10.4 Tiger and threw OS9 on there just to play with it (since I missed that period) which let me run some really old Mac games from the '90s among other things and try out the old iTunes and other older software I found online just to see what the experience was like.

Upon trying the more modern iTunes I got this crazy idea of starting a whole house audio system when AppleTV came out, so I updated the hardware on it to a 1.8GHz G4 with 1.5GB ram and an ATI 9800Pro and SataII card with dual 1.5GB Barracuda drives, which not only powered my whole house audio/video system from 2007 until late 2012 when I got my current Mac Mini to replace it, but let me play all kinds of games from year 2000+ time period on it. Really, it performed quite well until about 2010 when the Net seemed to get slower and slower and eventually browser support dried up and when iTunes was no longer available, I decided it was time to replace it in 2012, but I waited for the newer Mini model with USB3.

So between that and trying Linux during my PC years, I've played with just about every major OS incarnation in one form or another save perhaps AtariST which I only have used emulators for. I had Atari 800s back in school and all kinds of UNIX based workstations in college in the '90s. So when I say 10.9 Mavericks is a GOOD operating system, I'm not kidding.

Yeah, they could optimize drivers and get OpenGL even further up-to-date to improve gaming support, but other than games, OSX just blows away the Windows experience, which starts out "OK" but gets progressively worse as you add programs and constantly have to update for security issues...like EVERY day it seemed like, run virus and malware checkers all the time and deal with fragmented hard drives and just deal with the fact that a large registry slows boot times no matter how immaculate you keep the system. I never had those issues on an Amiga. You didn't even have to shut it down. You could normally just turn off the power. I ran a browser in the late '90s on a computer that was never designed for it with a mere 68030 with only 18MB ram with an added graphics card (using Picasso drivers) for 24-bit color browsing. That would have been impossible on any PC out there with those kind of specs. Efficiency shouldn't be underrated. Just because more powerful CPUs mean you CAN make an OS more bloated, it doesn't mean you should and it concerns me that iOS is getting so very bloated these days that I can't update my iPod Touch 4th Gen model to iOS7 when it's only one model behind.

Bloat is bad and I wish Apple would remember that. They have the resources to keep things efficient. They have the resources to keep OSX ahead of the curve. Yeah, Macs aren't known for gaming, for example, but Apple could certainly do a lot to change that, even if just by keeping graphics drivers optimized and OpenGL up-to-date. That would help plenty of things other than just games, for that matter. I don't see why OSX should play second fiddle to Windows for ANY function. It should be up to the user to decide how to use his/her machine, not Apple.



I think your computer must be damaged or something. I get NO SUCH ERRORS and have zero problems now other than my mouse not waking up from sleep (which may be a hardware conflict since the same mouse wakes find on my Macbook Pro with Mavericks).

I did a clean install on 4 of my Macs. All acting identically. I went to the Apple Store and there too I could repro. the problems I am having. The store clerk, standing next to me said 'Yes, there are a known quantity of Maverick Problems, being worked on' ---
 
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