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Apple Seeds OS X Mavericks 10.9.2 Build 13C39 to Developers

The occasional flicker between the wait cursor (beach ball) and arrow cursor

Since Mavericks it happens relatively often that the arrow cursor icon quickly changes to the beach ball – and then back to the arrow – while working and moving the trackpad/mouse. It's not like the computer is especially taxed or anything, so I don't really see the reson for switching to it. I find it a bit distracting.

Also wondering why the icons for recently connected servers looks like this since Mavericks:

recent_servers_icons_mavericks.png


Before it looked like this:

recent_servers_icons_lion.png


Any changes when it comes to this in the 10.9.2 beta, perhaps?
 
jessejarvi said:
These kexts were updated:



NVDANV50HalTesla.kext
NVDAResmanTesla.kext
GeForceTesla.kext
GeForceTeslaVADriver.bundle
GeForceTeslaGLDriver.bundle
GeForceGA.plugin
NVDAStartup.kext
NVDAResman.kext
GeForce.kext
NVDAGF100Hal.kext
NVDAGK100Hal.kext
GeForceVADriver.bundle
GeForceGLDriver.bundle
AppleGraphicsControl.kext[/B]

So, a lot of graphics updates, yay!
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Do the updated NVDA and Geforce kexts include Nvidia 320M? On my MBP mid-2010, the animations get choppy just after a day of usage.
 
rexone said:
here's hoping that apple is paying attention to all the p***ed off users who are howling about them pointlessly removing things like 'open folder in new window' as an option and the ability to tag folders & files with coloured lablels (not near-invisible dots) and they reinstate these long-standing features in one of the updates.
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i want to murder those dots.
 
badams002 said:
Do you use a lot of external peripherals? The kernel_task process is essentially a RAM placeholder for RAM intensive applications or activities. A big culprit are third party hardware plugged in and third party music applications, but I’m sure that those are not the only ones that can make the process balloon. I, personally, believe that Silverlight is the source of my kernel_task being bloated, but I want Netflix, so I deal with it.
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Yes I do actually, since I only have two usb ports on my Air. I've connected a powered usb hub on one usb port. And in that hub, I've connected my printer, 2 external drives, keyboard and usb-thernet adapter.

Offcourse, not all of these devices are used all the time, just the keyboard and ethernet adapter. The printer is on standby I guess.

From my experience, I've noticed kernel task goes mental when watching youtube. Wether it's with Safari or Firefox. But I've almost stopped watching youtube on Safari since it lags every 10 sec, even on 720p...

But my MacBook also froze on a screensaver. I wasn't in my room for a while, the Air when to the screensaver after a few minutes, I got back it was frozen on the screensaver and the fan was blowing like crazy...

So I really can't pinpoint the problem :(

Theres also a problem with the screensaver, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't... It's like they reversed something, the screensaver will start while youtube is open (but not playing) but will almost never start when I'm not even using my laptop and it's just on the desktop.

I'm really not liking all the OSX problems, I believe Apple is too focused on the iPad and iPhone, that they're neglecting the Mac.

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star-affinity said:
Since Mavericks it happens relatively often that the arrow cursor icon quickly changes to the beach ball – and then back to the arrow – while working and moving the trackpad/mouse. It's not like the computer is especially taxed or anything, so I don't really see the reson for switching to it. I find it a bit distracting.
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I have that as well, very weird. It happens when you quickly hoover over something.
 
FaceTime + Messages

When are they going to elegantly merge these two applications into one common sense tool that actually works and doesn't hide it's features behind a bad user interface? Two apps to do half of what Skype does alone is kinda confusing. Unfortunately skype is now charging for the basic features that used to be free like screen sharing.

However in messages there is like one button on the screen and it doesn't do what you are trying to do, but if you magically already know how to do what you want to do then obviously it is in this menu but only when this is open and logged in like this you click the thing that doesn't even look clickable and low and behold the option you want is greyed out but you have no idea why. So you type the apple id of your friend in the To field and apparently 'user is not recognized'. Try the same a few times and magically it eventually works so you click on the video camera and facetime pops up saying 'user is not registered with facetime' even though they are, or whatever that even means since the user is using their apple id.

Screen sharing anyone? To this day I can't figure out how to share screens with my mom's computer across the internet to help her with some computer problems she is having. She has an apple account, I have an apple account, both computers have screen sharing enabled in security yet the option to share screens is grey in messages. Someone please tell me how easy this is and why it should be obvious? :confused:
 
groovyd said:
When are they going to elegantly merge these two applications into one common sense tool that actually works and doesn't hide it's features behind a bad user interface? Two apps to do half of what Skype does alone is kinda confusing. Unfortunately skype is now charging for the basic features that used to be free like screen sharing.

However in messages there is like one button on the screen and it doesn't do what you are trying to do, but if you magically already know how to do what you want to do then obviously it is in this menu but only when this is open and logged in like this you click the thing that doesn't even look clickable and low and behold the option you want is greyed out but you have no idea why. So you type the apple id of your friend in the To field and apparently 'user is not recognized'. Try the same a few times and magically it eventually works so you click on the video camera and facetime pops up saying 'user is not registered with facetime' even though they are, or whatever that even means since the user is using their apple id.

Screen sharing anyone? To this day I can't figure out how to share screens with my mom's computer across the internet to help her with some computer problems she is having. She has an apple account, I have an apple account, both computers have screen sharing enabled in security yet the option to share screens is grey in messages. Someone please tell me how easy this is and why it should be obvious? :confused:
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Most likely the next OS X :(
 
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and there is a serious and definite need to support messages and facetime via windows so you can talk to your windows friends without having to use some facebook jabber aim google malarcy as an intermediary. And to that end when you tell iCloud your facebook account to enable all those apps inter-connected features why doesn't it configure your messages with a jabber chat account as well? I had to set that up manually.
 
BillyTrimble said:
Have to agree with this one. Both of those changes in Mavericks is a real step backward. Sometimes I think that Jonny Ives is a bit too much consumed with himself and has a bit too much power at Apple. He needs to come back to mother Earth.
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Definitey Ive should be demoted to hardware-only designer. iOS 7 is just plain ugly. His too-thin devices (iPhone, MBPr, mini, iMac) suffer from loss of function due to thinness.
 
DMG files are still not on mac dev center.

Maybe they won't do that anymore. I wish they would though.

A direct link is now available however in apple's developer forums for developers having trouble with the mac app store after installing the mavericks seed configuration utility (as this kind of trouble has happened a lot before). This lets you get the installer through a browser instead of the mac app store.

Don't post it here though because that would breach macrumors rules.
 
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scottsjack said:
Definitey Ive should be demoted to hardware-only designer. iOS 7 is just plain ugly. His too-thin devices (iPhone, MBPr, mini, iMac) suffer from loss of function due to thinness.
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Yes his position must now be untenable with such poor sales and take up of his recent designs.

Oh, no, wait a minute...
 
Since updating to 10.9.1 on my 8Gb RAM 500Gb HD (with 156Gb free) Mid 2010 13" MBP I've been having flashback to my old window days - keyboard response slowing to a crawl, CPU going to 90+% for no apparent reason, various apps (mostly MS Office 2011) appearing to hang, showing as unresponsive, only to become responsive again 3-4 minutes later. Video & screen animations are a bit choppy at times.

If I'd wanted a PC experience I'd have saved myself $1200 and bought a $300 Windows laptop...

10.9.0 was OK for me. I'm hoping 10.9.2 at least gets me back to square 1...
 
mschmalenbach said:
Since updating to 10.9.1 on my 8Gb RAM 500Gb HD (with 156Gb free) Mid 2010 13" MBP I've been having flashback to my old window days - keyboard response slowing to a crawl, CPU going to 90+% for no apparent reason, various apps (mostly MS Office 2011) appearing to hang, showing as unresponsive, only to become responsive again 3-4 minutes later. Video & screen animations are a bit choppy at times.

If I'd wanted a PC experience I'd have saved myself $1200 and bought a $300 Windows laptop...

10.9.0 was OK for me. I'm hoping 10.9.2 at least gets me back to square 1...
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Sounds like user error, 3rd party software error or a hardware problem to me.

Find it really weird how the hardware and OS of each Mac is identical across product lines and yet one person has an issue and somehow it's an internal development disaster.

I'd look deeper into the route of your problem if I were you. Apple do make mistakes your issue sure as hell doesn't sound like one of them.
 
scottsjack said:
Definitey Ive should be demoted to hardware-only designer. iOS 7 is just plain ugly. His too-thin devices (iPhone, MBPr, mini, iMac) suffer from loss of function due to thinness.
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The best example I can think off is the iMac. Making it so much thinner is pointless. It's not a laptop where you the portability. They took out the DVD drive, maybe not everyone uses it anymore, but still it's a nice feature. And now if you want to play a DVD, you need to buy a external one... And they swapped out the dedicated graphics for mobile ones... Like wtf.
 
rexone said:
Here's hoping that Apple is paying attention to all the p***ed off users who are howling about them pointlessly removing things like 'Open Folder In New Window' as an option
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Hold option while right-clicking, or hold command+option while double-clicking.
 
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groovyd said:
When are they going to elegantly merge these two applications into one common sense tool that actually works and doesn't hide it's features behind a bad user interface? Two apps to do half of what Skype does alone is kinda confusing. Unfortunately skype is now charging for the basic features that used to be free like screen sharing.

However in messages there is like one button on the screen and it doesn't do what you are trying to do, but if you magically already know how to do what you want to do then obviously it is in this menu but only when this is open and logged in like this you click the thing that doesn't even look clickable and low and behold the option you want is greyed out but you have no idea why. So you type the apple id of your friend in the To field and apparently 'user is not recognized'. Try the same a few times and magically it eventually works so you click on the video camera and facetime pops up saying 'user is not registered with facetime' even though they are, or whatever that even means since the user is using their apple id.

Screen sharing anyone? To this day I can't figure out how to share screens with my mom's computer across the internet to help her with some computer problems she is having. She has an apple account, I have an apple account, both computers have screen sharing enabled in security yet the option to share screens is grey in messages. Someone please tell me how easy this is and why it should be obvious? :confused:
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I believe you need an AIM or Google or Yahoo! Account
 
Did they make it NOT slow? Like, does it actually manage the memory better and run faster like they said it would? Cause I've already downgraded back to ML.

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"The first seed of OS X 10.9.2 introduced FaceTime Audio to the Mac and asked developers to focus testing on Mail, Messages, VPN, Graphics Drivers, and VoiceOver. The second build allows Mac users to block people on iMessage and FaceTime as can be done in iOS 7."

Come on, these things have been AIM features forever. iChat did all of this. It would be totally redundant were it not for the fact that iMessages can be sent to phone numbers of iPhone users. And could they just merge Messages and FaceTime instead of splitting the features across two different apps? Then maybe change Messages back to iChat so you can Google it and get relevant results.
 
mschmalenbach said:
Since updating to 10.9.1 on my 8Gb RAM 500Gb HD (with 156Gb free) Mid 2010 13" MBP I've been having flashback to my old window days - keyboard response slowing to a crawl, CPU going to 90+% for no apparent reason, various apps (mostly MS Office 2011) appearing to hang, showing as unresponsive, only to become responsive again 3-4 minutes later. Video & screen animations are a bit choppy at times.

If I'd wanted a PC experience I'd have saved myself $1200 and bought a $300 Windows laptop...

10.9.0 was OK for me. I'm hoping 10.9.2 at least gets me back to square 1...
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Sounds like the problem is with your installation(s) not with Mavericks. Probably have some 'cobwebs' in your system.
 
rexone said:
Here's hoping that Apple is paying attention to all the p***ed off users who are howling about them pointlessly removing things like 'Open Folder In New Window' as an option and the ability to tag folders & files with coloured lablels (not near-invisible dots) and they reinstate these long-standing features in one of the updates.
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And, most importantly, it's slow. What a disappointment. This is almost as bad as Lion :mad: Back to the dots… WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD ENOUGH IDEA TO ADD AND REPLACE COLOR LABELS? Seriously, nobody cares about tags. We use folders for a reason.

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GSPice said:
Graphics drivers for late 2013.
Graphics drivers for late 2013.
Graphics drivers for late 2013.
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Pfft, I already have those. From NVIDIA for my GTX 650Ti Boost. :)
 
groovyd said:
When are they going to elegantly merge these two applications into one common sense tool that actually works and doesn't hide it's features behind a bad user interface? Two apps to do half of what Skype does alone is kinda confusing. Unfortunately skype is now charging for the basic features that used to be free like screen sharing.

However in messages there is like one button on the screen and it doesn't do what you are trying to do, but if you magically already know how to do what you want to do then obviously it is in this menu but only when this is open and logged in like this you click the thing that doesn't even look clickable and low and behold the option you want is greyed out but you have no idea why. So you type the apple id of your friend in the To field and apparently 'user is not recognized'. Try the same a few times and magically it eventually works so you click on the video camera and facetime pops up saying 'user is not registered with facetime' even though they are, or whatever that even means since the user is using their apple id.

Screen sharing anyone? To this day I can't figure out how to share screens with my mom's computer across the internet to help her with some computer problems she is having. She has an apple account, I have an apple account, both computers have screen sharing enabled in security yet the option to share screens is grey in messages. Someone please tell me how easy this is and why it should be obvious? :confused:
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I haven't tried it, nor anyone to try it with, but this may give you a bit more information.

However at least for screen sharing, it may be worth looking into trying out Teamviewer. It's free for noncomercial (private) use, works with Mac/Windows (I use it to fix my father's Windows computer from my Mac when I don't feel like driving), and excepting the iOS app is relatively headache-free.

This is, of course assuming you can't figure out how to get Messages to work.
 
Kobayagi said:
Hope they look into the the kernel_task issues that a lot of people have trouble with. Cpu goes insane, uses 120%+, takes up all the available ram, fans go crazy and my MacBook Air freezes. Only option is to shut it off by pressing the on/off button.
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On my machine, kernel_task totally hogged CPU for a day after I installed Mavericks. Spotlight's mds, mdworker, etc tasks were also hogging resources and accessing the disks like mad as if Mavericks was re-indexing for some reason. Then it all stopped, and it was fine.

But everything, especially kernel_task, was still using way more RAM. I'm at 500MB usage running ML, but it was using 3X that in Mavericks… and no, it was not doing that to optimize anything. My system was noticeably slower, and it was sometimes even running out of RAM and writing to the page file. VRAM and CPU usage looked somewhat higher as well. Same story on my 2009 MacBook Pro.

It's sad because SL and ML were really fast. Like, faster than Leopard. I hope Apple hasn't lost its sense of efficiency like every single Linux-based OS developer did.
 
Mac.Pro said:
Then maybe change Messages back to iChat so you can Google it and get relevant results.
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This.

I only ever ended up googling that a few times, but damn that is an annoyingly hard search to refine. Closest I got was by appending -message site:macrumors.com OR site:discussions.apple.com to every search...and I still didn't get very far...
 
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