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How is this different than what happens now? I get all my messages across all my devices, and if I read them on one device they are marked read and the notification goes away on my other devices. What is this new messages on iCloud adding? The ability to read them when I don't have any of my devices?

That sounds like a security nightmare for a fairly niche benefit.

You delete a message on one device and it gets deleted on every device. They are also pushed to the cloud to save space on your actual device and if you need to restore it will restore them from the cloud instead of having to pray that you made a recent back up
 
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How is this different than what happens now? I get all my messages across all my devices, and if I read them on one device they are marked read and the notification goes away on my other devices. What is this new messages on iCloud adding? The ability to read them when I don't have any of my devices?

That sounds like a security nightmare for a fairly niche benefit.

Current behavior depends on at least one active device being able to update other devices when they ask for it. Things can get a bit out of whack if a device has been offline for a long time, or if you only have one device, or any number of other scenarios. The current model works ok-ish most of the time for most people, but there are quite a few cases where it can get confused, not update appropriately, etc.

Centralizing the history of your conversations in a spot that will always be accessible, even if you trash all your current devices not only provides a consistent, complete way for devices to get updates rather than the comparively messy way it does it today, it also saves your chats in perpetuity.
 
OK - well I do. It has been doing those things ever since I got my iPhone X. None of that is new. Maybe it's because of Digits, but all my messages already sync across all my devices.

And I don't understand the date structure you listed. I can't have it until November 1st to the 3rd?

Mine dose this same exact thing as well, it always has! I dont know what this other guy is talking about. But I am with you, what the point of this feature anyways! Maybe they realized that and thats why it's yet to be implemented hahaha just like that usless camera button on the iphone X lockscreen... usless!
 
OK - well I do. It has been doing those things ever since I got my iPhone X. None of that is new. Maybe it's because of Digits, but all my messages already sync across all my devices.

And I don't understand the date structure you listed. I can't have it until November 1st to the 3rd?

Right now, your iMessages are delivered to any current device where you are signed into iCloud, but they aren't stored in iCloud. So if you get a new iPhone or iPad, your old messages aren't synced there automatically. With Messages on iCloud, your messages are synced to iCloud and will download on all of your devices including new devices. Storing iMessages in iCloud allows for a better syncing system and it'll free up some on device space.
 
You delete a message on one device and it gets deleted on every device. They are also pushed to the cloud to save space on your actual device and if you need to restore it will restore them from the cloud instead of having to pray that you made a recent back up

Yeah - those aren't really things I have value for. All I care is that notifications go away across the platform, and it already does that. Once I have seen a message I very rarely want to see it again. If I do I add it to my calendar or save the picture.
 
Right now, your iMessages are delivered to any current device where you are signed into iCloud, but they aren't stored in iCloud. So if you get a new iPhone or iPad, your old messages aren't synced there automatically. With Messages on iCloud, your messages are synced to iCloud and will download on all of your devices including new devices. Storing iMessages in iCloud allows for a better syncing system and it'll free up some on device space.
except, so far, it doesn't work. I have beta tasted with two devices. It syncs them partially and gets stuck.
 
It's funny, one of the big features on AirPlay 2 is multi-room audio. They act like this is some huge new thing, but we've been able to do this for years with iTunes.

I stream stream stuff regularly to multiple sets of speakers just using the Remote app to control my Mac that's in the office. Sound is great, stays in sync, and you can control volume of each speaker independently. I wonder why it's taken this long to give other devices this ability.
 
Yeah - those aren't really things I have value for. All I care is that notifications go away across the platform, and it already does that. Once I have seen a message I very rarely want to see it again. If I do I add it to my calendar or save the picture.

Well good for you but iOS isn’t built just for you

except, so far, it doesn't work. I have beta tasted with two devices. It syncs them partially and gets stuck.

It works fine between my two iPhones and two iPads but at the end of the day it’s beta for a reason I guess.

Edit: one new thing on this beta is that I cannot seem to be able to delete attached photos hmmm the delete button is there but it doesn’t actually remove any
 
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Yeah - those aren't really things I have value for. All I care is that notifications go away across the platform, and it already does that. Once I have seen a message I very rarely want to see it again. If I do I add it to my calendar or save the picture.
Well, that's you. I would be very happy to be able to offload to iCloud the several GB of iMessage attachments sitting on my phone, and still be able to get at my message history from any of my Apple devices.
 
Yeah - those aren't really things I have value for. All I care is that notifications go away across the platform, and it already does that. Once I have seen a message I very rarely want to see it again. If I do I add it to my calendar or save the picture.

What one person finds useful may not be what others find useful. Like many other features, it can be turned on and off.

I’m okay with the delay in release, as it probably has something to do with stability or security... or both. I’d rather be disappointed by a delayed release than upset over a security breach or loss of stability or data.
 
Current behavior depends on at least one active device being able to update other devices when they ask for it. Things can get a bit out of whack if a device has been offline for a long time, or if you only have one device, or any number of other scenarios. The current model works ok-ish most of the time for most people, but there are quite a few cases where it can get confused, not update appropriately, etc.

Centralizing the history of your conversations in a spot that will always be accessible, even if you trash all your current devices not only provides a consistent, complete way for devices to get updates rather than the comparively messy way it does it today, it also saves your chats in perpetuity.

That’s a good explanation that should have been included in the OP.
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What one person finds useful may not be what others find useful. Like many other features, it can be turned on and off.

I’m okay with the delay in release, as it probably has something to do with stability or security... or both. I’d rather be disappointed by a delayed release than upset over a security breach or loss of stability or data.

You think we will be able to turn off centralized content? I hope so cause that’s Facebook google territory.
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Well, that's you. I would be very happy to be able to offload to iCloud the several GB of iMessage attachments sitting on my phone, and still be able to get at my message history from any of my Apple devices.

I was under the impression it already did this with all apps.
 
OK - well I do. It has been doing those things ever since I got my iPhone X. None of that is new. Maybe it's because of Digits, but all my messages already sync across all my devices.

And I don't understand the date structure you listed. I can't have it until November 1st to the 3rd?

Seems I misunderstood how iMessages in the cloud works. :oops:
As for 11.1/2/3 that's iOS 11.1-11.2-11.3

Mine dose this same exact thing as well, it always has! I dont know what this other guy is talking about. But I am with you, what the point of this feature anyways! Maybe they realized that and thats why it's yet to be implemented hahaha just like that usless camera button on the iphone X lockscreen... usless!

As above, I misunderstood messages in the cloud.
 
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Most likely, how many .x's it has to polish this turd though is anyone's guess.

Even if iOS 12 is like a “snow leopard” release , guarantee 12.0 will introduce some fun new bugs :D

iOS 11 won’t even be relatively perfected before we have the honor of restarting the QA cycle
 
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Right now, your iMessages are delivered to any current device where you are signed into iCloud, but they aren't stored in iCloud. So if you get a new iPhone or iPad, your old messages aren't synced there automatically. With Messages on iCloud, your messages are synced to iCloud and will download on all of your devices including new devices. Storing iMessages in iCloud allows for a better syncing system and it'll free up some on device space.

It should be mentioned that in previous betas that message attachments (images/videos) were not stored indefinitely. I would be okay if Apple counted media other than text against my iCloud storage quota, but there is no option for this that anyone has seen in 11.4, so far.
 
How is this different than what happens now? I get all my messages across all my devices, and if I read them on one device they are marked read and the notification goes away on my other devices. What is this new messages on iCloud adding? The ability to read them when I don't have any of my devices?

That sounds like a security nightmare for a fairly niche benefit.

One of the features is the ability to synchronize deletes across devices. So if you delete a specific message it will be deleted on every device. Right now that’s a nightmare if you forget to do it manually.
 
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