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The best message I would buy from iOS12 and macOS 10.14 would be that instead of adding more features to already cluttered interface, base libraries for iOS/macOS were refactored+rewritten using Swift and this has resulted in a lots of gain in performance and security. Also it would give us, developers, lots of confidence that Apple eats its own dogfood and does by its own message. macOS has seen some reworked code into Swift (Dock, Console and daemons), but iOS not at all.
 
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A feature benefiting unfaithful partners worldwide lol

Sure that’s one way to view it. For me it’s a nice thing to be able to delete inappropriate messages from friends (yes some friends send inappropriate stuff) and not have them show up on your mac in the conference room Monday morning.

I believe another benefit is the ability to offload the message storage to iCloud, like photos. So you can keep a long history without a local storage/backup size impact.
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It's funny, one of the big features on AirPlay 2 is multi-room audio. They act like this is some huge new thing, but we've been able to do this for years with iTunes.

I stream stream stuff regularly to multiple sets of speakers just using the Remote app to control my Mac that's in the office. Sound is great, stays in sync, and you can control volume of each speaker independently. I wonder why it's taken this long to give other devices this ability.

It likely comes down to a new protocol that greatly addresses power efficiency concerns.
 
One of the features is the ability to synchronize deletes across devices. So if you delete a specific message it will be deleted on every device. Right now that’s a nightmare if you forget to do it manually.

So, it seems like I didn't misunderstand iCloud messages as I said earlier in this thread in reply to another poster.
 
11.4.x will be end of the road for iOS 11 right?

No ... the APFS promise/requirement for fusion drives on the Mac OS side will drive at minimum an iOS 11.5 release

My spidy sense tells me we'll start seeing many more small, incremental updates, and not big massive loads of puke

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How is this different than what happens now? I get all my messages across all my devices, and if I read them on one device they are marked read and the notification goes away on my other devices. What is this new messages on iCloud adding? The ability to read them when I don't have any of my devices?

That sounds like a security nightmare for a fairly niche benefit.


It adds the ability to restore your iMessages without having to do a full restore from a backup.
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OK - well I do. It has been doing those things ever since I got my iPhone X. None of that is new. Maybe it's because of Digits, but all my messages already sync across all my devices.

And I don't understand the date structure you listed. I can't have it until November 1st to the 3rd?

That is correct. iMessage has been syncing across all my devices for years. It's basically going to make it like your notes, contacts, calendars, and the other things that you can check on in the iCloud settings, thus bypassing the need to do a full restore to get your messages.
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iCloud messages is new, you can not have the features you mentioned before on lets say 11.1/2/3
The features he mentioned have been around for a long time. So he can have those features.
 



Apple today seeded the second beta of an upcoming iOS 11.4 update to developers, two weeks after releasing the first beta and three weeks after releasing iOS 11.3, a major update that introduced several new features.

Registered developers can download the new iOS 11.4 beta from Apple's Developer Center or over-the-air once the proper configuration profile has been installed from the Developer Center.

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The iOS 11.4 update introduces a new ClassKit framework for educational institutions, which will support new features announced at Apple's March 27 event.

For standard users, the iOS 11.4 update adds features that were originally present in the iOS 11.3 beta but removed ahead of release. It includes support for Messages on iCloud, designed to store your iMessages in iCloud and sync them across devices.

There's also support for AirPlay 2 features, with the Apple TV once again available in the Home app. With AirPlay 2, the same audio content can be played in multiple rooms. On the HomePod, there are signs of support for stereo sound, but stereo sound is not currently available as it requires 11.4 HomePod software not available for developers.

iOS 11.3, the previous update, introduces a new Battery Health feature for monitoring the status of your iPhone's battery, Business Chat for iMessage, which lets you communicate with companies directly in the Messages app, ARKit 1.5 with augmented reality improvements, new Animoji on iPhone X, Health Records from participating medical providers, and more.

Update: Apple has also released the second beta of iOS 11.4 for public beta testers.

Nothing yet in PA
 
You think we will be able to turn off centralized content? I hope so cause that’s Facebook google territory.

Keep in mind, it's fully, and heavily, encrypted. It won't be of any use to anyone other than you.
 
I'm not either. I uninstalled and re-installed the beta profile. o_O

Because I have the dev beta installed, I rely on tips to know when the iOS public beta is out. I received a screenshot of the public beta available on an iOS device and I see mentions on Twitter, but I've updated the post to remove the mention of the public beta until it's widely available since a lot of you can't see it. Let me know when it pops up and I'll update the post again.
 
Is their endless failure to launch iMessages in the cloud the reason iMessages have been ****ed up in all of iOS11 so far? Even with 11.3 I still get out of order or missing messages. It's beyond pathetic by now.
Pretty soon you’ll have to find something else to hyperbolically complain about. Endlessly.
 
Most likely, how many .x's it has to polish this turd though is anyone's guess.
Such childless language.
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The best message I would buy from iOS12 and macOS 10.14 would be that instead of adding more features to already cluttered interface, base libraries for iOS/macOS were refactored+rewritten using Swift and this has resulted in a lots of gain in performance and security. Also it would give us, developers, lots of confidence that Apple eats its own dogfood and does by its own message. macOS has seen some reworked code into Swift (Dock, Console and daemons), but iOS not at all.
What makes you think they haven’t integrated Swift code into iOS? And refactoring and language changes don’t always make for a stable release initially.
 
Even if iOS 12 is like a “snow leopard” release , guarantee 12.0 will introduce some fun new bugs :D

iOS 11 won’t even be relatively perfected before we have the honor of restarting the QA cycle

IMO, iOS 10 was the best experience. Still have 10 on my daily driver an don't regret it.
 
No public beta here.

Same. I was specifically waiting for b2 (after some of the known issues of b1, I opted to leave my phone on 11.3b6). Saw the 'hey, the PB is ready for b2!' update, and hit the update button on my phone (I wish the software update window indicated the build that was available to you ... all it says is '11.4 beta', which is annoyingly vague).

In any event, I installed it, only to see I'm on 15F5037C ... which is b1 :(

Hopefully the PB of b2 drops soon. For real, though.
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Pretty soon you’ll have to find something else to hyperbolically complain about. Endlessly.

Yeah, these people that act like iOS 11 eats puppies and sucks the souls out of children are fatiguing. I wonder how many of them actually run iOS 11 ... I've been running it since 11.0b3 or 4, and other than the few bumps you expect during the beta phase, 11's been pretty solid for me so far ... and 11.3 really makes it shine from a performance perspective. No idea where the 'iOS 11 is a turd' bandwagon came from.
 
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Good call. I hadn't really considered that.
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I was under the impression it already did this with all apps.

Not sure, but you might be thinking of the newer app offloading feature that deletes unused apps, but keeps their preferences and data in place in case you decide to use them later. It kind of does the inverse of purging app data: it purges the app itself, leaving its data and preferences in place so that you can re-install it without reconfiguring everything.
 
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