Apple Seeds Second Beta of macOS 10.14 Mojave to Developers

[justperry]

What the heck.....
It was accessible just a few minutes before.
Now the question is, do I risk a restart???

Strange thing is the system is working as expected, for instance when I attached the below picture the location is accessible.
Finder Menu>go to folder is working normally.

 

[mikeboss]

Hopefully, someone out there can get this to run on unsupported macs, such as the 2012 MacBook Pro non-retina,

huh?

 

[SwissGuy93]

Except you won't die when the OS is borked.

That is absolutely true ;P But I stick with the metaphor ;P

 

[justperry]

Not wanting to get into a discussion about this bit, had the same issue years ago. There's apps for this, plus Apple has a web page dedicated to keyboard shortcuts.

The app I use: CheatSheet

Doesn't seem to work in 10.14 Mojave.
Edit: Odd, just before I tried it, it didn't load, seems like the time to press the Command key changed.

huh?

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Exactly, I have the same machine, it is supported.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

A professor doesn't necessarily have much perspective on real-world practices.

In CS in particular, theory is often quite remove from software engineering reality.



That may be so, but isn't how any major software project works. Rewrites do happen, but they're rare and often turn out to be a terrible idea.

None of the major operating systems have seen a rewrite in a long time. macOS Mojave is largely an evolution of NeXTSTEP (from late 1980s) with Mac OS Classic additions, not a rewrite; Windows 10 is an evolution of NT (also from late 1980s) with additions from Windows 9x. Linux (the kernel) has been evolving since the early 1990s; it has never been rewritten nor seen a major change of direction.

The canceled Netscape 5 is one of those rare examples of a rewrite attempt, and that didn't go well.

And since you name Google and Microsoft in particular: I suppose it's possible rewrites happen more frequently at Google, but most definitely not at Microsoft. It just doesn't happen much, and it especially doesn't happen "usually", suggesting some kind of frequent basis.

"It would almost take an act of God to change the dispatcher in IBM's mainframe OS," says Dr. Barry Feigenbaum, senior software engineer for IBM network-computing software solutions.

From http://2000clicks.com/links/Computers/IBMMainframeHistory/mvscrash.htm

 

[GWS6922]

It shows I have an update available but when I try to install it... it fails. I even tried doing it via the developer page and same thing...

 

[acader]

I wish Apple focused on more important updates like improving Siri or Maps. Cosmetic tweaks are good, but don't serve any real productive purpose.

 

[curtvaughan]

Windows NT is actually a more modern version of VMS; Cutler came from DEC and was Mr. VMS, among other things.

Used to speculate about that, given the "Windows New Technology" name: V -> W, M -> N, S-> T. Probably just a coincidence. Someone said WNT evolved in the late 80 - perhaps, but I don't remember using it in production servers until the early 90s. Flew out to DECUS (DEC Users Group) in '93, when DEC's main announcement was the availability of WNT on the new DEC Alpha architecture, which could run WNT, VMS, or DEC Unix.

 

[gruversm]

Hopefully I can use MS Office with this version -- first beta would not let me open any Office apps.

I'm not sure which version of MS Office you are using, but I did not have any issues opening and using any MS Office apps on Beta 1.

 

[CentralOffice]

I'm not sure which version of MS Office you are using, but I did not have any issues opening and using any MS Office apps on Beta 1.

AFAIK It’s office 2016. Hard crashes. Looks like it’s working now on beta 2. Tested last night.

 

[tywebb13]

One thing I discovered about mojave with this beta 2 is that the old way of installing beta deltas or combos as standalone installers on multiple macs isn't going to work any more.

Beta 2 delta update comes in the following packages:

macOSUpd10.14.pkg
macOSUpd10.14Patch.pkg
FirmwareUpdate.pkg
SecureBoot.pkg
FullBundleUpdate.pkg
macOSBrain.pkg
macOSUpd10.14.RecoveryHDUpdate.pkg
EmbeddedOSFirmware.pkg
BridgeOSBrain.pkg
BridgeOSUpdateCustomer.pkg

Quite often macOSUpd10.14Patch.pkg is not downloaded and Bridge OS packages will only download if you have a touch bar.

Other than the Bridge OS packages (which download to folder /Library/Updates/091-90522) they will all download to folder /Library/Updates/091-90519.

Before you could add or delete stuff from these numbered folders. Not anymore! Apple have locked them down.

They have new things now called integrityDataV1. I won't list them all but basically each packaged component of the installation now has a thing like for example macOSUpd10.14.pkg.integrityDataV1 attached to macOSUpd10.14.pkg.

So you can't conveniently download these packages and install them on multiple macs without having to redownload each time anymore.

However you CAN use the full installer on multiple macs. That's great for beta 2. However apple haven't always provided full installers for every pre-release beta. So I fear unless they start releasing full installers for ALL betas and without a workable standalone delta update option one may have to resort to downloading for each mac. So I hope to avoid this apple will provide full installers for ALL the betas. Then I can forgive this minor inconvenience.

I think I know why they have provided full installers for beta 2 for several of the previous versions of mac os. It's all about release name. We didn't know it by the time beta 1 comes out so it's just called 10.13 or 10.14 in beta 1. Then in beta 2 it gets it's proper name High Sierra or Mojave etc. This may seem trivial but actually it isn't because it affects the command you use to make the bootable USB.

Actually others might me less forgiving. I download full installers whenever I can because over the years they prove to be much more useful than deltas or combos. I have a whole box full of them going back to tiger. So I don't personally mind if that's the way apple want to go. BUT - deltas are more convenient than full installers to download and so that is why I think others may be a bit annoyed by it.

PS. Just to clarify, actually what I am describing here is ONLY meant for the betas. I expect that workable standalone deltas and combos WILL be available for the public once mojave is released.

 

[bugfaceuk]

It IS cyclical...when the iPhone SDK came out those of us with experience in limited resource had a huge lead on those that did not. ARC, SWIFT -- created so the masses can write ****** code.

Oh ouch... you are right though, in the beginning of iOS it felt like the old days, and all of the skills were useful.

 

[iamtheonlyone4ever]

Has anyone noticed that the color of the windows when using dark mode change, based on your chosen desktop background?

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that is normal, the wallpaper picture or solid color will have an influence on the windows screen that is on top
or in front of the wallpaper picture or solid color

go to system preferences - accessibility - display - click on reduce transparency

now you will see the effect goes off and on when you click that option
this also happens on High Sierra don't remember about other versions of Mac OS
but I think this goes all the way back to Yosemite
this happens with, dark theme, dark mode and the regular mode
try it and you'll see
I don't have Mojave installed because I needed to use that drive for something else
but I will check on that when I reinstall it
but I'm almost sure that is just the same thing

 

[bugfaceuk]

Yes, and automated testing would have increased confidence that upgrading to four digits didn’t lead to side effects. That’s the point.



What’s your issue?
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I know.



Oh believe me, I know what technical debt is.



That is precisely the point I made a few posts back. What are you even arguing?
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Nothing to do with the masses. Humans write code, and humans make mistakes. ARC solves plenty of common mistakes.

It's enormously disappointing that as a young developer who should be running around with open minds appears to be closed to the inputs of others. I wish you all the best in your career and hope that as you gain experience you learn to not only have strong opinions, but to hold them weakly.

Oh and I'll see your degree, raise you a PhD and 20 years experience. So you know. I've seen some things.

 

[guzhogi]

Used to speculate about that, given the "Windows New Technology" name: V -> W, M -> N, S-> T. Probably just a coincidence. Someone said WNT evolved in the late 80 - perhaps, but I don't remember using it in production servers until the early 90s. Flew out to DECUS (DEC Users Group) in '93, when DEC's main announcement was the availability of WNT on the new DEC Alpha architecture, which could run WNT, VMS, or DEC Unix.

Supposedly, HAL from 2001: A Space Odyssey is a play on IBM:
H→I
A→B
L→M

Anyways, I'd love to try it, but I don't have a test computer. My only computer has far too much important data on it to risk it getting borked.

 

[smartmiller]

One question. If you reboot your Mac does the status bar runs through without stopping one moment with a black screen?

 

[antmarobel]

I think I talked too soon when I said it has no bugs. It has one and it is an annoying one: Safari automatic logins are not working anymore.

 

[justperry]

So you can't conveniently download these packages and install them on multiple macs without having to redownload each time anymore.

You know there's this thing called content cashing in System Preferences.

That will most likely download most of the bulk of the install and fetches the other bits like the one you talked above (...integrity..) files per Mac.

But, I came to the same conclusion, I downloaded them on on e mac and moved them over to the other one and it didn't work as expected.

 

[chucker23n1]

It's enormously disappointing that as a young developer who should be running around with open minds appears to be closed to the inputs of others.

I have a decade and a half of experience.

I wish you all the best in your career and hope that as you gain experience you learn to not only have strong opinions, but to hold them weakly.

Thank you?

Oh and I'll see your degree, raise you a PhD and 20 years experience. So you know. I've seen some things.

I never mentioned any degree. Are you sure you're addressing the right person?

 

[dan9700]

still no airplay 2 so homepods cant work in stereo

 

[zenzen70]

Just registered one of my macs for public beta testing of macosx high Sierra 10.3.6b3 but macosx Mojave was downloaded......

 

[TMRJIJ]

Odds are you'll never write an operating system in your career. Please do not conflate applications with operating systems.

My systems admin prof (1986) said anytime he laid his hands on a computer system he hadn't seen before he from then on had 'hands on' experience without lying.

I recently helped a colleagues' son in college (for an EE) with a couple of his C programming projects, because he 'just didn't get it'. The professors directions were so convoluted it took me 4 hours to produce what should have been a 10 minute project. Not all profs know what the hell they are talking about. Theory doesnt count for much in the real world.

I see. I should have realized this considering a lot of my course assignments are indeed redundant. I always assume it was just so students wouldn't cheat or go to StackOverflow.

That may be so, but isn't how any major software project works. Rewrites do happen, but they're rare and often turn out to be a terrible idea.

None of the major operating systems have seen a rewrite in a long time. macOS Mojave is largely an evolution of NeXTSTEP (from late 1980s) with Mac OS Classic additions, not a rewrite; Windows 10 is an evolution of NT (also from late 1980s) with additions from Windows 9x. Linux (the kernel) has been evolving since the early 1990s; it has never been rewritten nor seen a major change of direction.

Interesting read.

 

[Stanley Fertig]

Apple today seeded the second beta of an upcoming macOS Mojave update to developers for testing purposes, two weeks after releasing the first beta following the new software's debut at the Worldwide Developers Conference.

macOS Mojave introduces a new method of installing software updates, so after you've installed the first beta from the Apple Developer Center, additional betas can be downloaded clicking on the Apple in the menu bar, choosing "About This Mac" and clicking "Software Update." Alternatively, open System Preferences and choose the "Software Update" icon.

The macOS Mojave update introduces a long-awaited and much-desired systemwide Dark Mode, with Mojave users able to choose between a light theme or the new dark theme. Dark Mode is accompanied by Dynamic Desktops, aka wallpapers that subtly change throughout the day.

Stacks, a new Desktop organization system, keeps all of your desktop files nice and neat, while Finder has been enhanced with a Gallery View, a Sidebar, a revamped Quick Look option and Quick Actions, so you can do more in the Finder window than ever before.

Screenshots can now be edited using Markup tools, while Continuity camera, a new feature, lets you import photos and document scans directly from the iPhone to the Mac.

Apple News, Stocks, Home, and Voice Memos apps have been ported from iOS to macOS as part of a multiyear project Apple is working on to make it easier to port iOS apps to Macs, and Apple has introduced several privacy protections to keep your data safer.

Apple is also making it harder for websites to track you with a range of new tools, plus there's an entirely revamped Mac App Store that makes it easier to discover apps.

macOS Mojave will be beta tested by developers and eventually public beta testers for several months so Apple can work out bugs and other issues before releasing the software to the public in the fall.

Article Link: Apple Seeds Second Beta of macOS 10.14 Mojave to Developers

I signed up for and downloaded the Beta yesterday. It bricked my iMac, got stuck in an endless loop rebooting. In the end, I had no choice but to erase the entire hard disk and restore from a Time Machine backup...Be forewarned!

 

[justperry]

I signed up for and downloaded the Beta yesterday. It bricked my iMac, got stuck in an endless loop rebooting. In the end, I had no choice but to erase the entire hard disk and restore from a Time Machine backup...Be forewarned!

Was Filefault on, if yes you could turn it off beforehand when installing a new OS version, I have two macs of the same year (2012 MM and MBP), went well on the one without it, got borked on the MM, I have to add though the MM had an extra HD in it and Windows on it, I partitioned that one myself.
I also had no core storage volumes, that seems to be a problem.
Had this same issue when installing HS last time, only thing is, I forgot about it.

 

[grantwall]

I think I talked too soon when I said it has no bugs. It has one and it is an annoying one: Safari automatic logins are not working anymore.

Experiencing this as well. Rather annoying but oh well.