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Apple Seeds Second Beta of macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 to Developers

It's interesting, have they fixed "black boxes" bug with Intel HD cards and non-default ICC profiles?
I truly believe they should stop releasing new version of OS every year. They just have lack of resources to polish it good enough.
 
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can anyone tell me whether there’s any reason to upgrade to HS yet?

I had a 2016 MBP and I upgraded it to 10.13.1, which was a hot mess. There were all sorts of instability issues, finder slowdowns, just general ugliness. But then I sold that machine, downgraded to a 2015 MBP, which came with Sierra on it. I haven’t upgraded back to HS because my earlier experience was so awful.

Again, serious question here: 10.13.1 was awful. Is it at all compelling as an upgrade yet?
 
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parsonsmike said:
can anyone tell me whether there’s any reason to upgrade to HS yet?

I had a 2016 MBP and I upgraded it to 10.13.1, which was a hot mess. There were all sorts of instability issues, finder slowdowns, just general ugliness. But then I sold that machine, downgraded to a 2015 MBP, which came with Sierra on it. I haven’t upgraded back to HS because my earlier experience was so awful.

Again, serious question here: 10.13.1 was awful. Is it at all compelling as an upgrade yet?
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That’d be a lot easier to answer if you could be more specific on the issues you encountered. Cause then, someone could confirm they had the same issue in 10.13.1, but doesn’t in 10.13.3.

Otherwise, it’s pretty meaningless.

I’ve been on HS since 10.13.0, and while some issues were annoying, none ever made me want to downgrade. And of the annoyances, most were gone by around 10.13.2.
 
MisterAndrew said:
Preview and Photos app are still broken (as in the first beta) with this release on Mac Pro 5,1 with Apple ATI HD 5870 graphics. Preview displays solid blue screen. Photos displays solid red screen.

Also, iBooks app is now missing.
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Yes, the blue and red images in preview and photos, respectively, are still there! :mad:

And Photos in iCloud are also red!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

iBooks is replaced with Books.o_O
 
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Beta 1 was a train wreck for me. Could only boot in Safe Mode. Beta 2 fixed my boot problem. Back to normal Silly me for assuming and not cloning my SSD before beta.
 
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That’d be a lot easier to answer if you could be more specific on the issues you encountered. Cause then, someone could confirm they had the same issue in 10.13.1, but doesn’t in 10.13.3.

Otherwise, it’s pretty meaningless.

I’ve been on HS since 10.13.0, and while some issues were annoying, none ever made me want to downgrade. And of the annoyances, most were gone by around 10.13.2.
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Well, I’ll pick my favorite. Finder quicklook was utterly incapable of doing its job without a 3-5 second delay before opening a file, a problem that my 6 year old MBA never had, and which made HS completely broken for my workflow, which involves frequently needing to quicklook hundreds of PDFs.

Runner up would be the 10-20 second beachball navigating to folders with >100ish files. Again, I have to quickly move back and forth between scores of folders, each with hundreds of PDFs, so this was a fun problem.
 
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Has anyone tried searching for files on a shared drive? With 10.13.2 and 10.13.3 the results are all broken alias links rather than the actual results. This may have been broken before but I didn't install High Sierra until 10.13.2.
 
mzeb said:
This release also has a lot of goodies for eGPU owners. We can now attach remove the egpu without a logout. Also clamshell mode is now supported. Looking forward to the final version to install on my production computer.
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Egpu functionality is removed from older thunderbolt macs (1 and 2) according to eGPU.io. It could be a bug, but with all the other changes going on it’s hard to to imagine this wasn’t intentional.
 
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Egpu functionality is removed from older thunderbolt macs (1 and 2) according to eGPU.io. It could be a bug, but with all the other changes going on it’s hard to to imagine this wasn’t intentional.
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I didn’t know eGPU was ever supported under the old thunderbolt standard. I thought you had to have the throughput of TB3 for it to function correctly
 
Oh, that's nice... My Messages app won't open at all. It'll say it's running but no window. Clicking on, "Messages" "Files" "Edit" etc on toolbar, all options are greyed out. *sigh*
 
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I didn’t know eGPU was ever supported under the old thunderbolt standard. I thought you had to have the throughput of TB3 for it to function correctly
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Almost, eGPU was never officially supported on TB1/TB2 but it would definitely work at those speeds.

I think many of them expected this to happen because Apples verbiage somewhere says “eGPU support only on Thunderbolt 3” but they didn’t expect Apple to (purposefully or not) break the existing hacks to get it going. The eGPU scene is like an opera some days it’s really good (like bugfixes on this release) sometimes it’s really bad (like existing solutions breaking).
 
parsonsmike said:
can anyone tell me whether there’s any reason to upgrade to HS yet?

I had a 2016 MBP and I upgraded it to 10.13.1, which was a hot mess. There were all sorts of instability issues, finder slowdowns, just general ugliness. But then I sold that machine, downgraded to a 2015 MBP, which came with Sierra on it. I haven’t upgraded back to HS because my earlier experience was so awful.

Again, serious question here: 10.13.1 was awful. Is it at all compelling as an upgrade yet?
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For what I have been able to test in some stores, and what I've seen over the internet, macOS 10.13.3 is far more stable than it was the mess of 10.13.1. So much, that I'm going to jump to 10.13.3 very soon on my 13" MacBook Pro 2010. I predict 10.13.3 will be the most stable High Sierra release for long time, because 10.13.4 implements some new features.
 
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Oh, that's nice... My Messages app won't open at all. It'll say it's running but no window. Clicking on, "Messages" "Files" "Edit" etc on toolbar, all options are greyed out. *sigh*
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I logged out of my iCloud account restarted and then logged back in, seems to have fixed any messages issues.
 
When Apple can fix Command-B for BOLD STILL not working in the MAIL program, I'll know they are serious!

And then there's this. With 40GB of memory, an SSD, and 5TB of HD space, should Safari give me this message just running Facebook & MAIL? Clearly, we have here monkeys throwing paint at a wall thinking it's art. :(

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This message appears on my screen dozens of times each day just running FACEBOOK! INSANE!

I also get spinning beachball freezes when dragging a link to the dock to launch another browswer. That never happened in Sierra either or El Capitan or previous!

The few new features are just not worth the added pain of breaking other apps. :(
The irony is that APFS makes my SSD slower! It boggles my mind. I do have my HD partitioned, but APFS cannot handle that?
 
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Apple should just stop trying with HS, add the features to Sierra (like Messages on the cloud), they take a couple of years to build a new OS and will see if its worth it.

Except for APS, does Apple need to release a new OS just for Safari, Messages, Emojis, Mail features? Of course there is code that is common between versions, but looks like HS has so many issues in areas you wouldn expect.
 
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my messages app isn't working and I have to drag it up from the lower left of the screen!?

jln9899 said:
Oh, that's nice... My Messages app won't open at all. It'll say it's running but no window. Clicking on, "Messages" "Files" "Edit" etc on toolbar, all options are greyed out. *sigh*
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It seems to fix a Mail issue, where you were interrupted in deleting emails when moving the deleted emails to trash was slow.
 
Updates on both windows and macOS stink. They’re trying to go to a more secure and locked down model and it’s slowly killing apps overtime. I wished they’d go whole hog rather than trickling in these ‘features’.

Every update I loose an app or some functionality and it’s driving me mad. For me ever since SIP was introduced being locked from boot champ, changing icons and various other customisations I needed for workflow I’ve hated macOS. I still don’t understand the obsession with different icons across apples products is it just to confuse the **** out of me?

I do hope Apple settle down with the changes soon, iOS running on Mac is starting to look like a more stable option than macOS that is just full of slow downs and bugs and new missing features bugs. Just unify the whole thing Apple and be done with it.
 
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