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Arghh. Still not showing up for me. Beta 1 has been pretty terrible on my older MBP. Insanely slow response esp. in Safari. I typed a sentence and was able to pick up my phone and take 45s of video as one. character. after. another. gradually. appeared. Blehh.
 
They actually did rewrite a significant amount of under the hood code between Sierra and High Sierra.

If they hadn’t, they’d be accruing more and more technical debt. You can’t just keep piling on.

I know it’s hip to hate on discoveryd, but the fact that it was ultimately reverted may be a bad sign for the long-term
quality of Bonjour. They couldn’t make a rewrite work, so they had to tack Continuity (Handoff, AirDrop, etc.) on to the existing core, which is now a decade and a half old. That’s not so great. And guess where I do have flakiness? In Continuity.
 
Who expects to have to do a CLEAN INSTALL and lose all their email server settings and application passwords among other things? Seriously.

I've been running MacOS -- including betas -- for years and the only time I've needed to perform a clean install is when my system was impaired due to accumulated developer and third-party app detritus.

It's unfortunate you're having the issues reported; but I've not encountered it. Have you tried installing Safari Technology Preview to see if it exhibits the same problem?

If it does, then your system could indeed benefit from a clean install.

Good luck.
 



Apple today seeded the second beta of an upcoming macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 update to developers, <snip> and it introduces a warning when opening up a 32-bit app as part of an effort to phase them out.

In the future, Apple plans to phase out 32-bit Mac apps, just like it did with 32-bit iOS apps. Apple says macOS High Sierra is the last version of macOS that will support 32-bit apps without compromises.

Oh dear.... how many apps you use regularly are 32 bits, and you know will not be updated..?
Having a look at my "System Information - Applications", many, many are 32 bits.

I had to dish some fun games on my iPad because of the forced 64 bitness.
So, in the future I might need a High Sierra partition so that I can still use 32 bits apps.
 
I hope when macOS 10.13.4 is out I can stay on High Sierra. I had to roll back to macOS 10.12.6 after all the bugs there was.
Same. I gave up on High Sierra and restored our machines to Sierra. High Sierras little instabilities and annoyances I could get around, but its inability to move files over a network, even without AFPS on any of them, without crashing or hanging, made it impossible to use. Our new fully decked out iMac never once successfully completed a shut down or restart without hanging after High Sierra. Sierra on the other hand runs perfectly fine, and I have yet to notice anything High Sierra did that I wish Sierra did.
 
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can anyone tell me whether there’s any reason to upgrade to HS yet?

I had a 2016 MBP and I upgraded it to 10.13.1, which was a hot mess. There were all sorts of instability issues, finder slowdowns, just general ugliness. But then I sold that machine, downgraded to a 2015 MBP, which came with Sierra on it. I haven’t upgraded back to HS because my earlier experience was so awful.

Again, serious question here: 10.13.1 was awful. Is it at all compelling as an upgrade yet?
The new file system (APFS) in High Sierra is good for your SSD. There have been some major glitches in the initial versions of HS; however, the current version (10.13.3) works for me.
 
Is this a widely reported issue?
DOnt know if this is widely know, but I´ve noticed recently on last retail version, and my Macbook Pro (2015) is crashing all the time when I wake it from sleep mode.

I talked to Apple Support and sent him the failure's notes. No answers until now.
 
Same. I gave up on High Sierra and restored our machines to Sierra. High Sierras little instabilities and annoyances I could get around, but its inability to move files over a network, even without AFPS on any of them, without crashing or hanging, made it impossible to use. Our new fully decked out iMac never once successfully completed a shut down or restart without hanging after High Sierra. Sierra on the other hand runs perfectly fine, and I have yet to notice anything High Sierra did that I wish Sierra did.

You mention APFS, which may have had some problems, I'm not sure. But there was a significant bug with SMB that was only fixed in 10.13.3 that caused the finder to lock up when doing simple copying/moving of files (!!). That could mean millions of macs hooked up to windows networks! It sure affected me.

I agree that 10.13.3 is finally decently stable. But the fact that this basic functionality got borked and took months to fix is unacceptable. No wonder they recently announced that they will 'focus on stability'. Major releases should be moved to a 2 year cycle at least!
 
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Well, I’ll pick my favorite. Finder quicklook was utterly incapable of doing its job without a 3-5 second delay before opening a file, a problem that my 6 year old MBA never had, and which made HS completely broken for my workflow, which involves frequently needing to quicklook hundreds of PDFs.

I just went through a few dozen multi-page PDFs, spreadsheets, JPEGs, folders, source code files, all sorts of stuff — in each case, Quick Look comes up in a fraction of a second. (Oddly enough, the CSV viewer seems far slower than the PDF and HTML ones, even though you'd think those are far more complex. But even CSVs only take ~400ms.)

Runner up would be the 10-20 second beachball navigating to folders with >100ish files. Again, I have to quickly move back and forth between scores of folders, each with hundreds of PDFs, so this was a fun problem.

Can't really reproduce this either.

Both on 10.13.3.
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Has anyone tried searching for files on a shared drive? With 10.13.2 and 10.13.3 the results are all broken alias links rather than the actual results. This may have been broken before but I didn't install High Sierra until 10.13.2.

I saw this one around 10.13.2, but can't reproduce it in 10.13.3.
 
Anyone know why I haven't gotten this update yet? I'm on developer beta 1
 

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The Thunderbolt Display must be at the end of the daisy chain. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204154


Apple disabled any ability to run an Apple LED Display directly off the Thunderbolt Display. (Meaning you could not run the proposed scenario: MacBook Pro -> Caldigit T3 RAID -> Thunderbolt Display -> Apple LED Cinema Display) The workaround was with another device-to at least use a single cable connection between stationary desktop peripherals and MacBook Pro. It’s also unrealistic to utilize the thunderbolt and built in MagSafe connector if the display is at the end of the chain.

Don’t get me wrong here I am well aware of what Apple Recommends, and this workaround has been effective since Apple released the Thunderbolt Display until this most recent beta. Where you are able to run both displays and a simple external raid/jbod.
 
Off topic a bit, but can I ask how your performance is with HS on the 2010 Mac Pro? Particularly with video editing if you do any and what processor you’re using.

Just curious as I’m thinking of picking one up as a second system (and throwing in a SSD) to do encoding on so my main one is free for development work. I know you can still get some decent performance out of the old cheese graters.
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I think performance is good! I'm on the one with a 6-core 3.33 GHz CPU. I have an SSD (512 GB Samsung 850 Pro) for MacOS and apps and 32 GB RAM. Also upgraded the GPU to a NVIDIA GTX 970, so I'm dependent on the NVIDIA Web Driver. The thing is fast overall, I think. So good that I'm thinking of selling my MacBook Pro 15" (Late 2013) which has a faster CPU, but can not have more than 16 GB RAM and I'm not needing the mobility that often currently. And the GPU is a lot weaker.

I'm not really doing any video editing at the moment, so can't speak for performance there (mostly into music production at the moment), but I play the occasional game at times an it performs really well overall I think (especially in Windows 10). There are some struggle getting flawless dual boot to work (partially because I don't use a ”Mac BIOS” GPU), though. I had to disable SIP for macOS so I can use BootChamp to temporarily boot into Windows. Can't use Startup Disk for that.
 
It seems this second beta of MacOS High Sierra 10.13.4 has still not been released to public beta testers, only to developers. Any insights into why?
 
It seems this second beta of MacOS High Sierra 10.13.4 has still not been released to public beta testers, only to developers. Any insights into why?

What do you mean, "still"? It's barely a day old.

Public betas almost always get released later on, and sometimes less frequently (i.e., some developer betas get skipped). As a result, they are more stable.
 
What do you mean, "still"? It's barely a day old.

Public betas almost always get released later on, and sometimes less frequently (i.e., some developer betas get skipped). As a result, they are more stable.

Yes, I understand that, but the delay this time is longer that usual, which may imply that there are some larger issues in beta 2. The iOS beta for example, that was released at the same time as this macOS version, has now been made available to public beta testers.
 
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Where have you heard this and who from? Link?

Engineers I follow on Twitter. I took note when one of the hardest Apple critics said this was the release that finally looked like shipping software. (He did note there were still graphic card issues, though.)
 
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Hopefully a fix for 5K iMac with 295X cards overheating will be forthcoming. Seems that every second beta my iMac will shut down as soon as I spin up XCOM2. Having to manually control fans through iStat is a bummer.
 
I run a 2017 MBP 13” with a Mantiz Venus and a Sappire Radeon 580 Nitro+. I’ve had good success with it. Runs games on both macOS and Windows well. Things run as expected on the macOS side, Windows has issues with hot plugging the eGPU. Not surprising given Apple’s limited set of supported cards and MS supporting everything under the sun.

Is the Radeon 580 you have a ”normal” PC desktop card? I guess we don't need to use ”Mac EFI” GPUs for external GPU usage since there already is an internal GPU that can take that role.
 
Has anyone who's installed this tested to see if you can copy over a file bigger than 2GB to a FAT32 drive yet? That cock-up is really embarrassing.
 
I downloaded 10.13.4 beta (version2) on 6 Feb and downloaded 10.13.4 beta 2 (version 2) today (it was released yesterday apparently).

I didn't catch the version number on the first "version 2 beta". Can someone confirm these are indeed two different betas or am I just receiving two different notifications from the App Store? Once downloaded I can't check if the versions are actually different. The first one said it was released on the 6th and the next one says released on the 8th so I'm assuming they are in fact different.
 
I downloaded 10.13.4 beta (version2) on 6 Feb and downloaded 10.13.4 beta 2 (version 2) today (it was released yesterday apparently).

I didn't catch the version number on the first "version 2 beta". Can someone confirm these are indeed two different betas or am I just receiving two different notifications from the App Store? Once downloaded I can't check if the versions are actually different. The first one said it was released on the 6th and the next one says released on the 8th so I'm assuming they are in fact different.
Apple has put an updated version out short after putting g out the first 2nd Beta.
That explains te different version numbers.
 
Anyone else seeing nasty audio corruption on this build? Audio sounds fine after a reboot and then gets progressively more distorted the longer it plays.

2016 13" MBP w/TouchBar.

- Mark
 
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