Apple Seeds Second Beta of macOS Sierra to Developers

[justperry]

Seems like Safari is preforming good again. It felt really sluggish in preview 1. To be honest, my entire MacBook 12-inch felt sluggish with preview 1.

No problem here, I think Sierra is one of the better/best/most stable first beta released for quite a while (years).

 

[Tokenfreak]

The Disk Utility app can now be resized! It took long enough for them to fix that as it was broken all in El Capitan!

 

[Mlrollin91]

That is not correct. It requires Two FACTOR authentication, not two step authentication. They are not the same thing. It also will require a 2013 or newer mac.

Where did you read 2013 or later Mac?

 

[tywebb13]

Where did you read 2013 or later Mac?

The seed note. I always read the seed note before installing. Anyway here's a more thorough description:

 

[Mlrollin91]

The seed note. I always read the seed note before installing. Anyway here's a more thorough description:

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Thats extremely annoying. If a Mac is capable of continuity and handoff, it should work with Apple Watch unlock. My MBA is 2012. Ugh.

 

[Coluch]

I'm not paranoid 😉 I screwed up and allowed Apple to iCloud my "photo stream". That quickly came to a head as I ran out of "free storage". So I turned it off.

Don't wish to repeat the other thread - but I have no paranoia about others "lurking" through my stuff. My concern is that I no longer OWN MY STUFF. Apple does. Not a copyright - but the right to delete the data I CREATED across all my devices once I turn iCloud OFF. It appears to be very punitive and designed to scare most users into buying more iStorage for fear of losing their "stuff".

Please - take a tour of iCloud.com. Find the "Download All" button. It's not there.

So, you turn off iCloud - Apple gives you 30 days to reclaim any data you've stored on iCloud, which you must recover piecemeal from iCloud.com. FUN!!!!!

I seriously may not upgrade to this OS. And I'm hoping possibly OTHERS might be hesitant to allow their favoritest bestest beloved corporation ever to TAKE OWNERSHIP of THEIR data.

I don't see how I'm being paranoid or crazy or theorizing any conspiracy. iCloud is iCloud. The gurus have confirmed the TOS. Allow it to invade your computer and... good luck with ever wishing to GET OUT.

Repeat. iCloud - All Your File Are Belong to Us. Rinse, wash, repeat again.

Is there another reason you are being so dramatic about this? It is very simple to only enable iCloud to sync things like bookmarks and contacts and such. Lightweight data that will never fill up your free storage allotment.

If you want a backup of your photos, it's up to you if you want to back them up yourself, or to pay for the ease of letting apple do it for you.

Personally, I only sync the minimal amount and manage my own backups.

 

[RamGuy]

iTunes 12.5.0.58 was released as well. With the same UI overhaul as Apple Music on iOS 10.

 

[ACNMember]

Thanks - so all of my syncing (messaging, contacts, calendar) will no longer work with this OS because I'll be opting out of iCloud?

iCloud is an insidious lil bugger - turn it on, it grabs everything it can as fast as it can and claims "ownership" - then turn it off and Apple kindly warns you - "Are you sure? Turning off iCloud will remove ALL data stored on iCloud from all of your devices."

Sorry, but this just sounds horrific. I LIKE the syncing part - that's cool. But no thanks on iCloud basically "rooting" all over my stuff, if "rooting" is the right term?

Prior to iCloud, I owned all my stuff. Post-iCloud, Apple owns all my stuff. And, as the reps are kind enough to relate, iCloud is not for "backup".

Apple iCloud - All Your Files Are Belong to Us. Ugh...

iCloud isn't claiming ownership of your files, nor is it removing anything from your Mac unless you tell it to do so (such as with iCloud photo libraries). If you have a backup of your Mac, you can restore things like contacts and calendars just fine, even with iCloud syncing turned on.

iCloud is designed to make syncing things easier, and in my experience as an Apple consultant (not an employee of Apple) it tends to work very well for the most part. As always, you give up a little privacy to get convenience—this is true not just of Apple or computers, but a lot of things. If you're not comfortable with that trade-off, you don't need to participate and Apple won't push you into it.

 

[RamGuy]

Huh, Two Step and Two Factor is not the same thing? You learn something every day.. And here I thought that Two Step which I enabled back in 2013 was the latest and greatest...

 

[KoolAid-Drink]

Huh, Two Step and Two Factor is not the same thing? You learn something every day.. And here I thought that Two Step which I enabled back in 2013 was the latest and greatest...

Yeah, what's the difference, anyway? Paint me confused.
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Thats extremely annoying. If a Mac is capable of continuity and handoff, it should work with Apple Watch unlock. My MBA is 2012. Ugh.

Agreed. Could this be some kind of mistake? IIRC, there weren't much differences between the 2012 and 2013 models.

 

[Fangio]

iTunes 12.5.0.48 was released as well.

😉

Now checking news in graphics drivers.. usually there's some progress to discover.

 

[tywebb13]

Huh, Two Step and Two Factor is not the same thing? You learn something every day.. And here I thought that Two Step which I enabled back in 2013 was the latest and greatest...

Yeah, what's the difference, anyway? Paint me confused.

Here is more info on both:

Two-Step: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204152

Two-factor: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915

 

[blasto2236]

For those rushing to install this: I have encountered a new and highly annoying bug that was not present in DP 1. My 2015 rMBP is now failing to wake from sleep. I have to force restart every time the display goes to sleep. Would recommend holding off on this update if you're using as a daily driver.

 

[JesperA]

Speakers for 27" Apple Cinema Display stopped working with Beta 2

Finder performance is extremely improved since beta 1

The freeze bug that was introduced in 10.11.4 is still live and well in Beta 2, good job Apple, letting a 6 month old critical bug live on this long, amazing

Only things i noticed so far

 

[zakarhino]

For those rushing to install this: I have encountered a new and highly annoying bug that was not present in DP 1. My 2015 rMBP is now failing to wake from sleep. I have to force restart every time the display goes to sleep. Would recommend holding off on this update if you're using as a daily driver.

Which model exactly?

 

[tywebb13]

1.15GB update, FYI.

Interesting number.

It seems that you just got the first three of these files, not the full delta (i.e., the last one):

FullBundleUpdate.pkg: 17.7MB
FirmwareUpdate.pkg: 132.9MB
OSXUpd10.12Patch.pkg: 996.9MB
OSXUpd10.12.pkg: 1.64GB

and for you 17.7MB+132.9MB+996.9MB=1147.5MB=1.15GB (ignoring the last one)

I prefer installing the full delta though.

I also prefer to download these packages and keep them backed up somewhere - not on the computer - in case I need to do a reinstall later without having to redownload.

It is also interesting to note that although apple have only just uploaded these onto their server, the actual creation dates for these installer packages is July 1, 2016. So they are already old!

 

[CrashX]

iCloud isn't claiming ownership of your files, nor is it removing anything from your Mac unless you tell it to do so (such as with iCloud photo libraries). If you have a backup of your Mac, you can restore things like contacts and calendars just fine, even with iCloud syncing turned on.

iCloud is designed to make syncing things easier, and in my experience as an Apple consultant (not an employee of Apple) it tends to work very well for the most part. As always, you give up a little privacy to get convenience—this is true not just of Apple or computers, but a lot of things. If you're not comfortable with that trade-off, you don't need to participate and Apple won't push you into it.

Uhm... no.

"If you have a backup of your Mac"...

Yes, then you are protected against Apple deleting EVERYTHING you EVER f'd up to allow iCloud access.

Because you made a "backup". To prevent Apple from deleting YOUR data that YOU created, you must create a backup.

But what if I used Time Machine? That's what I use, because Apple provided it. Maybe they might be KIND enough to "extend" iCloud to deleting my backups. I have NO DOUBT that's where they are headed. Tim Cook has NO innovation and wishes to rape idiots with iCloud subscriptions.

iCloud is awesome! Who's with me? NO ONE with a functioning brain. Unless they're making residuals off Apple.

iCloud - ALL YOUR FILE ARE BELONG TO US!

With this move, Apple has switched to just pure evil. Taking advantage of idiotic users of their devices. It's just so wrong.

Steve Jobs gave my elderly Mom the iPad - the FIRST computer she EVER used. And God, I tried forever with her. It was the iPad that allowed her access. It was TRULY full of wonder - wonderful.

Now, if I weren't around, they'd just rape her with a subscription to iCloud, scaring her that she would lose all of her stuff.

Pure EVIL. And that's hard for me to take, as a forever fan of Apple. But... PURE FN EVIL!

 

[retrospek]

Is the Apple Watch unlocking your MAC actually working for anyone ? I think I've set mine up correctly - and my Mac seems to try and find the watch after I resume from Sleep but it then switches to asking for a password after a few seconds ?

 

[dBeats]

Huh, Two Step and Two Factor is not the same thing? You learn something every day.. And here I thought that Two Step which I enabled back in 2013 was the latest and greatest...

It was, until 2 hours ago... 🙂

 

[iToph]

Does the auto unlock feature work in this beta?

 

[zaneliu]

Nooo, I have a late 2012 MacBook Pro. Darn no auto unlock 🙁

 

[tywebb13]

It was, until 2 hours ago... 🙂

No it wasn't. They never were actually.

Didn't you read the webpages I linked to before?

It seems I have to start quoting myself now:

Here is more info on both:

Two-Step: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204152

Two-factor: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915

 

[nortonandreev]

You can now print tracklists on iTunes. Also the album sizes in "Recently Added" is changed again. It's quite big...

 

[fredr500]

Where did you read 2013 or later Mac?

I'd be happy to run this on a 2013 or later retina MacBook Pro. Apple, when can I buy one?

 

[CrashX]

What has time machine have to do with iCloud? It is purely local. Nothing goes to the cloud.

All your posts indicate you have a very poor understanding of how iCloud works. As the previous poster said, it is trivial just to use it for syncing.

Previously, as per being previous, Apple did not OWN my data. They couldn't DELETE what I had created.

Either I'm insane (yes, jump on it) - or the TOS of iCloud do not allow Apple to DELETE data that you've created as "punishment" for daring to REMOVE it from iCloud.

Again, I've been through this with Photo Stream. I turned it off. Apple warned me. Sure enough, Apple deleted ALL photos I'd "allowed" iCloud to access from EVERY machine I own.

I then had to go to iCloud to RECLAIM those photos. Which was a ridiculously tedious process.

You can look up my username. I've already gone off about this. I was VERY worried about it being integrated into the next OS. Now it has been.

So, to AVOID Apple OWNING MY STUFF, if I wish to upgrade, I possibly lose the syncing of messages, calendar, notes, and contacts. Forever. Because I MUST decline iCloud to protect the rest of my data.

NO! BAD APPLE!

iCloud - All Your File Are Belong to Us.

Refute that. The syncing is AWESOME. Apple claiming ownership and being allowed to delete my files the second I connect to the 'net - NOT happening. EVER!

I'm not gonna keep a backup of my computer on SUPER CHEAP EXTERNAL STORAGE I OWN FOREVER THAT IS MINE...

Seriously? How can people comply with this? Just me being insane possibly, but I always thought the Apple community was "smarter".

Obviously not. I can't wait until Tim Cook downgrades us to Vista and everyone becomes excited?