Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Hopefully they will resolve Apple Mail openings itself randomly and disrupting full screen gaming and workflow
Yeah, it’s annoying. When did this start becoming a prevalent issue? I’ve been dealing with this since High Sierra but I’ve notice people on Apple Support Communities having this occurring As far back as Mavericks
 
Good luck to all you Catalina beta-testers out there (i.e. those of you who upgraded). I'm not touching this until at least 10.15.3. Catalina was such a disaster even through the real beta testing cycle. If Apple still pride themselves on quality (and make no mistake, their quality control has steadily been going down over the years) then they should change to releasing something when it's ready and not just because it's e.g. September.

I am running the release Catalina on a "Not Supported" Mac Pro 4,1. I have had near zero issues. It would not drive my 34" wide screen second monitor via DisplayPort. But works with DVI-D. Mojave did not have this issue.
Despite all the moving around of prefs and Mail.app settings, I am pleased.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Babygotfont
Ever since I've been useing Mac OSX from 10.4. on, Catalina seems to be the worst release so far.

Kernel Panics, UI glitches, mounting/umnoutning volumes problems, SMB connectivity issues, Mail.app crachsing, Mail search not working, Safari UI glitches, Finder crashing 2-3times on strat-up, super slow booting (up to 60-80s on NVMe 5K iMac), Find My.app just not workgin, and many more.

Small portion on my bugs below.

THIS IS JUST LIVING HELL!!

View attachment 870342View attachment 870344

View attachment 870339
I’m glad I’m not the only one having kernel panics
 
  • Like
Reactions: jancz
What’s the difference between an update like this that carries a version number change and the supplemental version I installed last night? Said differently, what would cause Apple to decide to release a supplemental update change versus this type of change? I don’t understand the criteria for one versus another but I’m certainly not well versed in this area.
 
Last edited:
After updating, the "relocated items" folder came back.
It comes back every beta, which is weird as you'd assume clearing out the read-only root drive of user stuff would be a once-only task. However, it seems to find something each time. No doubt something the previous beta sneaked in there :)

I delete the shortcut from my desktop, and the actual folder in /users/shared each time. I'm a rebel.
 
they used to only put macOS in the app store, now its showing as an upgrade in software upgrade, and the red number 1 is showing in system preferences, so they kind of are forcing you really...

Attempts to make sure you know the update is available is not forcing anyone, except the extremely week willed, to update.
 
I know but it’s a long, annoying process that I don’t have the time to just sit and do it. macOS Catalina isn’t horrible, it’s just riddled with bugs.
No, it isn’t
[automerge]1571354265[/automerge]
Good luck to all you Catalina beta testers. I'm not touching this until 10.17 comes out. I always go 2 software updates behind because I want 6 sigma reliability in my software. I expect zero bugs and absolute perfection. /s
Goodbye
[automerge]1571354424[/automerge]
 
  • Like
Reactions: Babygotfont
FWIW, Catalina has been running pretty smoothly on my 2012 13’’ MacBook Pro.

That was, until I tried to use an Apple Mini-DP-to-VGA dongle with a projector and never got a signal to display, even though the projector was detected and appeared in System Preferences. And yes, the projector and VGA cable worked fine with an iPad Air and an Apple Lightning-to-VGA dongle, and with my own Mac and a third party Mini-DP-to-HDMI dongle.

I’ve still yet to test my VGA dongle with another Mac, but I’m extremely careful with it and clearly the projector, the VGA cable and the Mini-DP circuitry on my Mac are fine. And I also reset my PRAM and NVRAM, which leaves us… yes, probably a Catalina bug.
 
My only hope is that they fix the syncing issues of iOS devices and older iPods, in particular in regards to Podcasts;

Syncing:
No progress bar, only a nondescript tiny progress wheel that doesn’t tell you at what part of the sync it’s at
The device contents bar at the bottom only represents how full the device currently is, not how full it will be if I try adding more media to it.

Podcasts:
Where is Get info to edit metadata?
Where is the date released for episodes?
Downloading menu? How do I know how much is downloading? There’s no longer one big download menu.
How to download all instead of one click at a time?
Drag to select podcasts and episodes is missing? I can drag to select multiple things in Music, why not Podcasts?
Where is a compact list view?
Why are played podcasts hidden with no option to not hide them?
Why doesn’t album art get synced to devices? It’s no longer stored in the meta data of the podcast file and thus isn’t transferred. Who thought this was a good idea?
Difference between saved podcast and downloaded? Why do I have to save some podcasts shows before downloading them?
And for heavens sake why are Podcasts now stored in my ~/Library folder? I prefer to store all media on an external drive; I don’t have 30GB of internal storage to give to podcasts. Why can I choose where my Music, AppleTV, and Photos library goes but not Podcasts?

I really like the new UI of Podcasts and the syncing utility of using Finder, but both are missing so many basic features, it’s ridiculous...
 
Damn, never happened to me. How come all these issues never seem to happen?
[automerge]1571341442[/automerge]

Simple. Haters were hating iTunes and demanded it be slimmed down. It was always fine for me. worked, did its job. The new setup is great though
[automerge]1571341534[/automerge]

haha. you are not a tester, but you say its crap. NOT! it is fine, very few bugs, it works great, the loud haters are usually not right
All I know is there was a PSA about it on MR last week. As someone who had a family member lose 7 years of email when Apple imap servers cut over and mismapped the account. Mail started over at zero. Could not be recovered because while the mail existed on a iPhone, iPad and two Macs, the data loss propagated down to the machines erasing all data.
 
Yeah, it’s annoying. When did this start becoming a prevalent issue? I’ve been dealing with this since High Sierra but I’ve notice people on Apple Support Communities having this occurring As far back as Mavericks
For me it started with High Sierra
[automerge]1571363052[/automerge]
I feel so cheated, all the complaints about bugs and they never happen to me. Makes me wonder if they are at all real or just made up.
It's an old bug started with High Sierra
[automerge]1571363086[/automerge]
What? When did Apple start selling a Mac with a capable GPU for gaming?
I have a good eGPU ;)
[automerge]1571363140[/automerge]
It’s so annoying it has been happening to me for ages
It's about time for Apple to fix it.
 
That was quick ...

I just hope colums views in Apple mail are back.. When i upgraded, i felt like an London-ish "oi !! WHere did my columns go?"
 
I wish Apple would just go back to releasing software when it was good and ready, instead of releasing it like clockwork every single year, whether it’s a dumpster fire or not. With that said, I am most likely not touching Catalina until 10.16 comes out, or I’ll just skip it completely.
 
Last edited:
What always amazes me is that the same bugs seem to exist in every .0 release, such as the "item cannot be found" when clicking on servers in the finder, ColorSync and printing not working properly, displays being messed up...
 
Podcasts:
<snipped long list of app design failures>
Don't feel lonely - they turned the Books app into the same pile of crap. Someone thought it was hilarious to move all user data into a folder buried deep in the Libraries folder, which for most people doesn't even show in Finder by default. And then they removed all options to edit metadata.

It's all done by some grumpy iTunes developer who is just getting revenge after reading years of "iTunes is bloated crap, they should re-write it" by making all the individual apps worse so people miss iTunes.

"Let's remove the column browser from Music and then trash all the album artwork so everything just looks like some Fisher Price toy. That'll teach them!"
 
Catalina is a piece of junk. I didn't pay £4,100 to see that I may not install apps I need and want to install.
I have got an iPhone, iPad Pro and Apple Watch for being secure. Searching for a solution for two hours is not my idea of fun.
 
Catalina is a piece of junk. I didn't pay £4,100 to see that I may not install apps I need and want to install.
I have got an iPhone, iPad Pro and Apple Watch for being secure. Searching for a solution for two hours is not my idea of fun.

Thats not Apples fault but the App vendors fault, they have known for years 32bit app support would end. Apple have made it easy in xcode to move to 64bit. So dont blame Catalina blame the software vendor, if it wasnt for companies like Apple pushing forward and removing old tech we would all still have VGA ports and CD drives.
 
I think there was a great shift in quality releases after Apple decided to hand out macOS upgrades for free. When people have to pay for an upgrade, there is some pressure on Apple in developing a good OS. You wouldn't buy an OS when it's buggy......
 
  • Like
Reactions: arkitect
But would you buy hardware that has a dodgy OS - they have just included the OS price in the price of their hardware.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.