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Apple Seeds Second Release Candidate Version of macOS Big Sur 11.2 to Developers [Update: Public Beta Available]

EvilHomer80 said:
I’ll be honest, on my 2015 late iMac it runs terribly. I did a clean install and very little installed and running but it takes about 5 mins to boot and be usable. It gets to the UI quick enough but once I’ve started logging in it’s another 4 mins before things will respond properly.

Tried stopping everything from loading at start up, no difference.

It could just be my Mac but Catalina didn’t have these issues. I keep debating about downgrading but it took me a few days to sort everything and keep praying the next update will sort it.

In addition applications take forever to load. It just gets stuck on verifying the application everytime.
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I don’t know how you having this issue I been going from beta to beta install for 4 years never once formatted. I have late 2015 k as my daily driver take 1.5 min tops to boot up and log in and all that works great and this thing never has been in final release is. I junked on beta in 2016 and never got off the beta and it always upgrades fine and works grestzs

I have m2 nvme ssd and second ssd replaced and 24 GB if ram, I can go 64 I needed also but no need for now and I never even reboot my iMac unless beta updated and it nice and fast.

All the issue oeoole have are foresee that’s outdated and computer full of junk and not well maintained end of story
 
There is nothing wrong with big sir the little it’s mike usb can be over done for now usb , usb receiver from another device.

I did 20 upgrades so far and 2 had issues and 1 had bad hard drive..... I did 2015-2020 Intel Max’s updated for personal and for companies and only small issues nothing software update or proper reinstall of software couldn’t fix.


people have junk temp files old software that not 64 bit spyware installed and antivirus programs installed on macs when there is no need for them at all.

remive garbage software and Big Sur works great and upgrades properly a

You got people doing upgrades with AVG and Norton AV installed what do you think is going to happen ?
 
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macintoshmac said:
Their primary focus is selling hardware, software is what they sell along with. They have been great at both through time, but so long as people buy the hardware, they are fine taking months to fix issues with their flagship machines, often into the next year by the time the next major release is scheduled. And a sample of people here on this forum find that acceptable. I would say most in the world are okay with it, going by the sales numbers and Apple's refusal to get around this habit.
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I'd say that's an accurate summary on where software QA is today at Apple.
Additionally, some clearly recognizable / daily visible bugs seem to persist over years and several generations of macOS, like for example the almost-always-wrong account balance in the lower left corner of App Store App (being persistent without any improvement since at least the first days of Mojave), or the permanent problems with Apple Watch unlock (appearing in most macOS dot revisions since introduction of this feature) or with Handoff - just to name a few.

Looks like they can afford to do so, as most customers don't care / don't even understand what's happening when they are hindered by OS bugs. And the alternatives are even weaker - Windows in terms of stability, Linux in terms of effort and knowledge required for configuration and maintenance. Although I seriously doubt Windows can still be regarded as less stable if just compared to Catalina - there were so many Macs with a multitude of serious problems even up to the latest release of Catalina (including my 2014 iMac) that Windows suddenly looked like the more reliable alternative.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that it will continue that way. Typing this text on a M1 Mac, I cannot ignore that they did an extremely good job setting up the new architecture with all components required for the transition. Rosetta 2 really performs well and this machine is just a pleasure to work with. Of course there are still quite some bugs (especially with peripherals like Bluetooth devices and external Monitors, but also quite a number of other issues), but things are definitely not even nearly as bad as they were in Catalina one year before. This leads me to the assumption that maybe the "Catastrophina" was also caused by focusing most of the energy towards the next-year OS generation in order to ensure a smooth architecture transition.

So, l'm looking forward, optimistic that the remaining issues in Big Sur will be fixed in a reasonable time period (despite having experienced the opposite last year).
 
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macintoshmac said:
Their primary focus is selling hardware, software is what they sell along with. They have been great at both through time, but so long as people buy the hardware, they are fine taking months to fix issues with their flagship machines, often into the next year by the time the next major release is scheduled. And a sample of people here on this forum find that acceptable. I would say most in the world are okay with it, going by the sales numbers and Apple's refusal to get around this habit.
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I wonder how sensible that is in the long term though. It's what happens on Windows and Android, where the old bugs are slow to get fixed and new issues get introduced with every major release. Eventually people do care about it and they switch. Apple benefitted massively from that in recent years. But they need to learn this lesson for themselves. A lot of people became Apple customers because they were tired of buggy software that never got fixed, not because they found it tolerable.

Apple software has always had issues, like you said, but I feel like it started to really rub people the wrong way from Catalina onwards. Combined with the hardware prices, it's a reason why I'm seeing gradually more friends and colleagues switch back to Windows again because they started to question whether they were really getting enough quality for their money. I'm writing this from a 16 inch MBP that's been kind of a horrible experience at times, with not many positives to say about Apple Support on any of the issues I've had with it.
 
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My HP Elitedisplay stopped working the moment I installed Big Sur for my 2020 Intel MB PRo, and a quick Google search revealed that many others have also had issues with Big Sur and external displays. Really hope they address this bug. Smaller but still annoying bug is that whenever I highlight text at Preview, the document view jumps to the previous highlight.
 
After few Microsoft Teams meetings today using Airpods Pro there wasn't any bluetooth weirdness with audio nor with keyboard/trackpad. Need to continue testing for a couple days to be sure but looks promising.
 
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Safari 14.0.3 (16610.4.3.1.4) in RC2 scroll performance has not improved. Scrolling in Facebook, Instagram and even Reddit lags. MBA M1.

 
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thadoggfather said:
RC2 fixes DND + Dictation keys not working on M1 Air, a bug with RC1.
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Just discovered that if you have "Use F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys" checked in Keyboard Preferences, using the Fn key still does not activate these special functions as it should. It does work for f3 (Mission Control), F2 (Brightness), etc.
 
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Freeangel1 said:
Adobe just released updates for ALL their APPS for the Mac.
SO ARE YOU ALL UPDATED FOR THE M1 M2 CHIP?
I am still on INTEL of COURSE.
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Adobe's updates were from about 2 weeks ago. They did not add universal binaries into those updates.
 
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unfunfionn said:
I wonder how sensible that is in the long term though. It's what happens on Windows and Android, where the old bugs are slow to get fixed and new issues get introduced with every major release. Eventually people do care about it and they switch. Apple benefitted massively from that in recent years. But they need to learn this lesson for themselves. A lot of people became Apple customers because they were tired of buggy software that never got fixed, not because they found it tolerable.

Apple software has always had issues, like you said, but I feel like it started to really rub people the wrong way from Catalina onwards. Combined with the hardware prices, it's a reason why I'm seeing gradually more friends and colleagues switch back to Windows again because they started to question whether they were really getting enough quality for their money. I'm writing this from a 16 inch MBP that's been kind of a horrible experience at times, with not many positives to say about Apple Support on any of the issues I've had with it.
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I agree with this. I got on the Apple wagon courtesy a hackintosh I built and I used 10.2 or 10.4 with it. I was delighted to see such attention to detail such as, if you are typing something here, you could open an app or any other notification could come up but it would not steal focus, as was the case with Windows. Such attention to detail was what made Mac OS X beloved for me, and after Snow Leopard that attention has only been fading away.

Apple have brought advancements to their OS, no doubt. Both macOS and iOS are great today, but they have been better before, in terms of usability, not speaking of pure functionality, what could be achieved with the device. I know for a fact that typing experience on iOS has gone down the drain by Apple standards. prior to iOS 10, I used to have a lot less typos on the 5 and 5s and later iterations of iOS have somehow made me more prone to typos. Clearly, when they split into different sizes per year, they did not give complete attention to all devices and touch points have suffered due to this, causing an inferior typing experience on later iOS versions.

Same goes for macOS. Now we have Big Sur, there are serious improvements over Snow Leopard, say. But, there are such tiny things that people appreciated about Mac OS X that have not received proper attention through the years and now into macOS. It feels like they are just riding the wave, milking the people until they can. Because they are some of the smartest people at their job and due to the Apple DNA, the quality of software and hardware they chug out is still better than competitors, but it is not as great by their own standards.
 
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DimaVR said:
You got people doing upgrades with AVG and Norton AV installed what do you think is going to happen ?
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I've been running Norton Internet Security for 7 years on my previous late-2013 MBP and on my current 2020 intel MBP with ZERO issues on every OS from Mavericks to Big Sur 11.2 Beta 2 - 20D62.
 
iOS 14.4 is out but no sign of macOS 11.2. Does this mean we won't see an update until later this week?
 
CamW222 said:
iOS 14.4 is out but no sign of macOS 11.2. Does this mean we won't see an update until later this week?
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It could be later today. It's not highly unusual that macOS updates lag by a few hours.
 
CamW222 said:
iOS 14.4 is out but no sign of macOS 11.2. Does this mean we won't see an update until later this week?
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I was just wondering the same thing, WatchOS iOS and all Apple TV updates are all out but no mention of Big Sur yet (which is the update I’m looking for most)
 
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pommephone said:
I've been running Norton Internet Security for 7 years on my previous late-2013 MBP and on my current 2020 intel MBP with ZERO issues on every OS from Mavericks to Big Sur 11.2 Beta 2 - 20D62.
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You should really remove the software first due the upgrade and than reinstall latest ver. Sometimes AV software isn’t ready for new os and people upgrade the first months of os release and run into issues . Like computer running slow cause some software isn’t updated for the os is what I am saying.

I’m not saying AV programs don’t work they usually need time update after final version of os comes out.

and it causes issues and people blame Big Sur when they have software that doesn’t or hasn’t been updated yet to work with it
 
There are two posters in this thread who now say that the M1 Mac Mini's Bluetooth issues were cleared up in the second candidate release of MacOS 11.2. Any other feedback on this issue?
 
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CamW222 said:
There are two posters in this thread who now say that the M1 Mac Mini's Bluetooth issues were cleared up in the second candidate release of MacOS 11.2. Any other feedback on this issue?
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I had one disconnect with my Magic Trackpad on RC1, but so far RC2 seems to have fixed that. Hopefully 🤞
 
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Mojave here. Skipped Catalina. Stroking my chin with Steve about Big Sur. Anyone got iTunes running on the latest “MacOS Kernel Panic” yet?
 
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