Apple Seeds Seventh OS X 10.10.3 Yosemite Beta to Developers, Public Beta Testers

[Santabean2000]

Thats why Snow Leopard was so stable. (And Tiger I suppose)

I honestly think the yearly cadence is too quick for general consumers (for mass new features at least). Certainly provides a challenge for large schools etc to keep up too.

I think an iPhone like approach would be good, a solid set of new features followed by an 'S' model, where everything looks much the same, but its all a little faster/smoother.

 

[Donoban]

Are the bugs people are referring to real show stoppers?

Give me new features and keep the innovation coming. I think the OS landscape has changed in recent years, and I would argue Apple is in front of MS at the present time in the mainstream OS space. You snooze you lose.

Continuinity is a bit of a non use feature for me but the whole sms, telephone connectivity between desktop iPad and phone is bloody brill! I want to see this type of thinking continuing, not slowing down to a 2 yearly update.

But what would I know. I'm just some random dude on the net having a rant.

 

[TMRJIJ]

Well, I can't argue with you there. Snow Leopard is still the best OS X release to date.

Not for me. 10.6 had freezing issues and 10.6.2 had graphical issues for my old MacBook early 2008. 10.6.7 had a weird issue with Disk Utility on iMac. I still thought it was great though. Ironically, I use the Kexts from 10.6.2 to patch and install OS X Yosemite on that unsupported Mac and got it to be more stable than the newer models

 

[jkim3691]

Please fix the Bluetooth plus wifi issue. If I turn on Bluetooth my wifi connection goes down.

I can't believe they've let this issue continue if it is indeed due to software. I haven't been able to use my bluetooth keyboard for a while now. It's ridiculous.

 

[jamesgunaca]

Is every single beta seed really worth an article?

Yes. And I appreciate and have interest in the comments people share about their experience upgrading. Especially those in the Public Beta program who don't access the Apple Developer Forums.

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[mpainesyd]

Mail sort bug

Have they finally fixed the irritating bug with Mail where clicking on the header sorts by that header but loses the selected email? This is a basic database functionality that was lost when Yosemite came along.

 

[Jess13]

Does 10.10.3 include actual Dark Mode?

QuickTime Player, an actual Dark Mode:

 

[SoAnyway]

Do you happen to have Symantec/norton installed? Had a similar issue, turned out it was Symantec,

turning off the "Vulnerability Protection" fixed it.

No, none of that. I've gone without third party protection running on my Macs for years now, because I've never needed it.

 

[myname70]

WiFi Tx speed

With this version the WiFi Tx speed is 975 mbps , while with previous one (127) it was stable fixed 1300Mbps (With Airport time capsule latest version)

 

[MacOG728893]

I'm happy to see so much development taking place. If it is favorably received when released, I might update from Mavericks.

I'm in the exact same boat. I've been holding off on upgrading. 10.9.5 has been very stable for me.

I'm thinking about doing a clean install to Yosemite as I usually do, but I'm still debating that.

 

[Macula]

What about the issue where Mission Control gets choppy after a while? Can anyone check if it's been fixed?

An excellent question begging a good answer. Thanks in advance.

 

[JoshAlfie]

Personally I cannot wait for the 11th beta! Keep 'em coming Apple

 

[BigBear14]

Hopefully this fixes the issue where if i let my Mac go to sleep, it eventually logs off and restarts by itself!

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I honestly think the yearly cadence is too quick for general consumers (for mass new features at least). Certainly provides a challenge for large schools etc to keep up too.

I think an iPhone like approach would be good, a solid set of new features followed by an 'S' model, where everything looks much the same, but its all a little faster/smoother.

I don't understand this notion at all -- correct me if i'm wrong but these bugs and such are merely Apple software incompetence than it being too quick to release updates. iOS 7 was a complete redesign with a host of new features - and to me at least - it was not as buggy and unoptimised as iOS 8. There's a distinct lack of attention to detail with Apple this year that i've not seen in the 7 years i've been using their products.

 

[n-evo]

Does 10.10.3 include actual Dark Mode?

QuickTime Player, an actual Dark Mode:

Nice find. The fonts look like ass though.

 

[timrhmn14]

iMac Mid 2007 only

Does anyone have issues with exporting videos on iMac Mid 2007 from OS X photos in this seed?

 

[cromagnontech]

Fixes GMail issue

This updated build fixes the issue that I, and others, were having with Mail in the previous build. Archiving messages from the Inbox was not working (the mails reappeared in the inbox). Fixed now.

10.10.3 is feeling pretty rock solid to me now.

 

[iamMacPerson]

Having 10.10.11 does not mean there wouldn't be a concurrent 11.0

I'm sorry I don't understand what you wrote. That screenshot shows 10.11 meaning the system version from my understanding, as in OS X 10.11, OS X 10.10 (Yose), OS X 10.9 (Mavs), etc. Leads me to believe it's gonna be OS X 10.11 and not OS XI 11.0.

 

[Four oF NINE]

I'm sorry I don't understand what you wrote. That screenshot shows 10.11 meaning the system version from my understanding, as in OS X 10.11, OS X 10.10 (Yose), OS X 10.9 (Mavs), etc. Leads me to believe it's gonna be OS X 10.11 and not OS XI 11.0.

Everyone better hope there's no OS XI 11.0 anytime soon. Any change that dramatic and fundamental would probably be incompatible with a lot of programs running OS X.

So put my down as not in a hurry for a radical under the hood makeover.

 

[scrmtrey]

It is even more choppy than last update.

 

[MH01]

Hey, give them credit for trying to put something on the front page. One of the other Mac enthusiast sites is already writing about the next gen Apple Watch. At least MacRumors is engaging in totally loser articles like that.

Where do you stand on articles every time a fashion magazine has an apple watch on the front cover ?

 

[Santabean2000]

Hopefully this fixes the issue where if i let my Mac go to sleep, it eventually logs off and restarts by itself!

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I don't understand this notion at all -- correct me if i'm wrong but these bugs and such are merely Apple software incompetence than it being too quick to release updates. iOS 7 was a complete redesign with a host of new features - and to me at least - it was not as buggy and unoptimised as iOS 8. There's a distinct lack of attention to detail with Apple this year that i've not seen in the 7 years i've been using their products.

I'm taking about the feature cycle. Apologies if you're misunderstanding my meaning here.

What they need to do is apply their hardware approach of refresh then refine to their software development. [3G - 3GS, 4 - 4s, 5 - 5s etc like Intel's Tick Tock]

It feels like they're trying to do too much and are losing their edge in the process.

Like you say, this last year is worse than ever. Less is more. Quality over quantity. It has to get better at "just working" again.

 

[tevion5]

Honestly I wish Apple would skip 10.11 this year.

Releasing a new OS X every year is what caused Yosemite and Mavericks to be fairly buggy releases; not enough time to get the kinks out.

They should keep Yosemite around for at least another year and perfect it before going forward. They didn't used to have a yearly cycle; I remember back when a new OS X release was a rare thing and not fraught with so many problems.

Wellllll yes and no. Originally Mac OS X versions were released very close. Just look at the dates for OS 10.0-10.4. That's five releases in the space of pretty much 5 years! Roughly 2000-2005. Then Leopard was supposed to be released in 2006, but was delayed until 2007 because Scott forstall and company were too busy on the iPhone. Then, because of the iPad they were slow to get Snow leopard out until 2009. Then after when lion can came out in 2011, things got back to what they usually were with yearly releases.

So here's your timeline for releases. Jobs oversaw yearly releases too, and from the start.

2000: 10.0
2001: 10.1
2002: 10.2
2003: 10.3
2005: 10.4
2007: 10.5
2009. 10.6
2011: 10.7
2012: 10.8
2013: 10.9
2014: 10.10

That's 6 yearly updates, and 4 2-yearly updates.
You could argue that a return to the 2 year wait is better, but it seems apple only ever did that by accident under stress.

The impression you get from many people is that they should do a Microsoft and release a new version ever 5 years or something. MS only does that because their users upgrade very slowly. They charge for their OS so they'd love to make more frequent versions. Although not any more, so they are copying apple like this. I bet they will update all the time now that windows 10 will be their base OS.

We get these for free and we complain. They still patch the last OS for a year after the current one is released. So in that way, each of these OS's gets at least 2 years of updates.

Basically, Jobs was a fan of the yearly updates and I think 10.3, 10.9 and 10.10 are great updates. Of course, the long waited ones are indeed down of the most belovef and for good reason. Namely the great 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6.

 

[MrNomNoms]

Wellllll yes and no. Originally Mac OS X versions were released very close. Just look at the dates for OS 10.0-10.4. That's five releases in the space of pretty much 5 years! Roughly 2000-2005. Then Leopard was supposed to be released in 2006, but was delayed until 2007 because Scott forstall and company were too busy on the iPhone. Then, because of the iPad they were slow to get Snow leopard out until 2009. Then after when lion can came out in 2011, things got back to what they usually were with yearly releases.

So here's your timeline for releases. Jobs oversaw yearly releases too, and from the start.

2000: 10.0
2001: 10.1
2002: 10.2
2003: 10.3
2005: 10.4
2007: 10.5
2009. 10.6
2011: 10.7
2012: 10.8
2013: 10.9
2014: 10.10

That's 6 yearly updates, and 4 2-yearly updates.
You could argue that a return to the 2 year wait is better, but it seems apple only ever did that by accident under stress.

The impression you get from many people is that they should do a Microsoft and release a new version ever 5 years or something. MS only does that because their users upgrade very slowly. They charge for their OS so they'd love to make more frequent versions. Although not any more, so they are copying apple like this. I bet they will update all the time now that windows 10 will be their base OS.

We get these for free and we complain. They still patch the last OS for a year after the current one is released. So in that way, each of these OS's gets at least 2 years of updates.

Basically, Jobs was a fan of the yearly updates and I think 10.3, 10.9 and 10.10 are great updates. Of course, the long waited ones are indeed down of the most belovef and for good reason. Namely the great 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6.

I think the best description of the current situation when it comes to the quality of Apple software is best articulated on "Two Guys and a Podcast" where a former Apple engineer went into dispelling the myths that 'things were better in the good old days" because I remember the years of buggy releases even under Steve Jobs but it appears that people look back in the past with rose tinted glasses and ignore the more uncomfortable facts and play up the positives. Heck, I remember way back when 10.3 was released and people were saying the same things about that release and how the quality was going down hill, that it wasn't as fast as OS 9 and Apple was too focused on the iPod and iTunes. Part of the podcast went into dispelling the idea that pushing back the release to 2 years will magically make OS X more stable - the much maligned change to the DNS stack had been in development for almost 3 releases yet it still has bugs. Time plays a part but real world exposure is the only sure way of fixing up bugs - in much the same way that Mozilla developers kept holding back Mozilla from being shipped to the point that it appeared that it was going to be perpetually in a state of alpha instead of drawing a clear line in the sand with a realistic road map (along with accepting that nothing is going to be achieved in one release).

 

[stars_fan]

Ohh believe me - the problem does exist and is very real and very reproducible.

Would you mind sharing with everyone how you reproduce it? Did you bother filing a bug report with apple since you can tell them how to reproduce it?

So many betas. This could be like when Domino's decided to make better pizza.

And actually succeed at it.

 

[bigchief]

I'm in the exact same boat. I've been holding off on upgrading. 10.9.5 has been very stable for me.

I'm thinking about doing a clean install to Yosemite as I usually do, but I'm still debating that.

10.9.5 was very stable for me too and I finally upgraded to 10.10.2 through the APP store and it is very stable, MBP late 2013 15". Download and install took 55 minutes with no problems.