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Apple Seeds Seventh OS X 10.11.4 El Capitan Beta to Developers and Public Beta Testers

IGI2 said:
I think the "new version every year" just keep them motivated and set them some target. Otherwise, if they were to work on their regular basis and release it only when all engineers are completely confident it's ready, we would see a major setback in development speed.

I agree, I prefer to have better polished and bug free OS than more functional one but the current situation is just a compromise between these two values.
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I just think Apple could find a happy medium between following a regular release cadence and spending time polishing and fixing bugs.

Everybody can agree that an operating system is a complex piece of software that will never be bug free. But I just think a 1 year release cycle is too short to maintain a high release quality for a modern OS.
 
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ozone1 said:
Hope they give an option to show desktop previews in Mission Control again. Driving me crazy.
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Honestly. Part of the reason I'm not using 10.11. Mission Control is one of my favorite features of OS X and they really ruined it for me. I wish they would return to the 10.7-10.9 style. Then again, I wish that about the rest of OS X too, haha.
 
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One thing I often notice when people deliver "defective" Mac's for me to service is that more often than not it’s third-party software that is causing issues and nothing in the operating system itself.

People installing all kinds of software and drivers, never uninstalling or cleaning anything out when they are not needing said software and / or drivers anymore. People upgrading to new versions of Mac OS X without updating much of their third-party software and drivers so they are still relaying on things that are several years old and not optimised or tested / verified to work with their current operating system at all.


I’m not claiming that Mac OS X is bug free, it’s far from it. But people complaining without giving proper details on their issues so we or themselves can forward it to the correct people at Apple is rather useless and pointless.

And is there one thing that has increased a whole lot the past years after Apple started with their whole releasing a new version of Mac OS X every year schedule it got to be outdated third-party software and drivers being installed on newer and not supported versions of Mac OS X.
 
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NT1440 said:
Confidence doesn't fix bugs. Testing with as many people as possible does.
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I should hope not. They are most likely testing through automated build and regression tests. A high count of people doesn't mean you're more likely to catch more bugs.
 
JesperA said:
It surprises me that we still have no swipe gesture in Finder, would be so nice to have swipe left and right for navigating forward and back in the folder hierarchy/history, the same way we do in webbrowers etc.
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This has worked for a while now...change settings in trackpad to swipe between pages with 2 or 3 fingers. Then use 3 fingers to do the forward and back swiping.
 
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Ebenezum said:
I have been hoping USB would be finally fixed, there is no way I am going to use OS that won't work reliably with my external devices. In addition I'm hoping fixes to Spotlight, Finder, Mail and Time Machine because of way too many bugs... :mad:
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Same here......also LAN/RAID is still flakey. All this stuff works fine in 10.10.5. I'm not changing:(
 
RamGuy said:
One thing I often notice when people deliver "defective" Mac's for me to service is that more often than not it’s third-party software that is causing issues and nothing in the operating system itself.

People installing all kinds of software and drivers, never uninstalling or cleaning anything out when they are not needing said software and / or drivers anymore. People upgrading to new versions of Mac OS X without updating much of their third-party software and drivers so they are still relaying on things that are several years old and not optimised or tested / verified to work with their current operating system at all.
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This is why SIP is so good. It protects users from themselves.
 
Norbs12 said:
Damn, this is going to a be a highly polished release.
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The thing here is El Capitan was pretty good right out of the starting gate. El Cap is certainly one of the best Mac OS releases in a long time.
 
JesperA said:
It surprises me that we still have no swipe gesture in Finder, would be so nice to have swipe left and right for navigating forward and back in the folder hierarchy/history, the same way we do in webbrowers etc.
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jameslmoser said:
One can hope... It better be. I have been a apple fan for a long time, but I'm really getting tired of their lack of quality control as of late. I can't use any of their devices for any period of time without having some problems or encountering some very annoying bugs. Its pretty embarrassing at times when I have advocated their products for years. I'm at the point again where I'm looking at alternatives, just like I was when they released Lion (*shudders thinking about it*)
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While there have been some really bad Mac OS releases in the past, I don't see El Capitan as one of them. Is it perfect? Certainly not but you can't find anything better and I've tried them all. More so I do believe Apple has heard the collective whining about software quality and is addressing that.

By the way I really believe that Swift is part of Apples initiative to fix the software quality issues. The problem with Swift of course is that it is still in development. So it could be years before we see significant parts of Mac OS rewritten in Swift.
 
J.Dillinger said:
I should hope not. They are most likely testing through automated build and regression tests. A high count of people doesn't mean you're more likely to catch more bugs.
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Actually it greatly improves your odds of finding a corner case. Nobodies Mac OS installation is exactly the same (except maybe on a newly purchased machine) thus wide scale testing can catch issues that are hard to test for.
 
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JesperA said:
I obviously know about the swipe gestures (since i even mentioned them in my post, and i use it 28302 times per day) and no, it has never worked
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I am using it right now: Safari, Finder windows, System Preferences itself. OS X 10.11.3.
 
Jess13 said:
I am using it right now: Safari, Finder windows, System Preferences itself. OS X 10.11.3.
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Only works in Safari (and other browsers) for me, neither the "roll" or "swipe" settings works for me in finder. Maybe something that was introduced with the "glass trackpad" and newer? I tested on my old non unibody 2008 MBP and 2009 iMac with first gen magick trackpad. Kinda weird limitation if that is the case.

When i had ML i installed Total Finder to get that feature if i remember correctly but have only used vanilla OS X features since then.
 
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Nice! Can everyone start digging around for references to new MacBooks now? :) I'm losing hope for next week..
 
JesperA said:
Only works in Safari (and other browsers) for me, neither the "roll" or "swipe" settings works for me in finder. Maybe something that was introduced with the "glass trackpad" and newer? I tested on my old non unibody 2008 MBP and 2009 iMac with first gen magick trackpad. Kinda weird limitation if that is the case.
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Yeah that might be a culprit, because yes I have a glass trackpad. My three-finger drag is broken, I have no reason why. The bug/reason might have somehow altered functionality, so three-finger drag items/Finder windows has been replaced with three-finger back and forth through Finder windows.
 
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Mail and Safari could use a little love in this update. Mail 9.2 just seems to open on its own, whenever it feels like. Safari is so slow to load. I only use Adblock and WOT extensions.
 
Morod said:
Mail and Safari could use a little love in this update. Mail 9.2 just seems to open on its own, whenever it feels like. Safari is so slow to load. I only use Adblock and WOT extensions.
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Reset Safari, it's fast here, has been fast since Mavericks and speed improved drastically.
But, it also depends on how much RAM you have and if you have an old HD or an SSD.

Jess13 said:
Yeah that might be a culprit, because yes I have a glass trackpad. My three-finger drag is broken, I have no reason why. The bug/reason might have somehow altered functionality, so three-finger drag items/Finder windows has been replaced with three-finger back and forth through Finder windows.
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I am not 100% sure but the glass ones are multitouch, the old trackpads are not so no multiple finger swipe.
 
Morod said:
Mail and Safari could use a little love in this update. Mail 9.2 just seems to open on its own, whenever it feels like. Safari is so slow to load. I only use Adblock and WOT extensions.
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Mail is at 9.3 on my version. Not sure if that was in today's update or previously. Haven't had your issues with mail.
 
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