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Apple Seeds Seventh OS X 10.11.4 El Capitan Beta to Developers and Public Beta Testers

CliftonHighgrov said:
You mean, OS X LTS and OS X "Cutting Edge"? There will be scoffers but this seems a wise path. Many Linux distros have been doing this for years now, such as Ubuntu & Mint. Apple's marketing team would just have to figure out the best way to label each type. App developers would probably be hopping mad, they'd have to maintain at least two versions, though the LTS would probably require only a very light touch.
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Yes that is the idea. I'm getting tired of the yearly releases, it takes at least .4 until new OS X is stable enough for work use and its another matter when all third party software is ready. Currently I simply don't see any point paying for newer versions every year because most of changes aren't beneficial for my needs.

OS X LTS would be just what I have been hoping for, will Apple release such version is another matter.

Osty said:
It has gone better of late I agree, probably thanks to a lot of vocal critics out there like Walt Mossberg. In fairness, I think from memory a .7 release is the highest Apple's gone since Snow Leopard so hopefully we're seeing a focus on stability at long last.

What annoys me though is that, going by the current trend, once 10.12 is announced/released Apple will put El Capitan out to pasture and won't develop/fix it anymore beyond the occasional security patch.

Meanwhile, we'll be encouraged to move on to the next version and battle all the regressions it will introduce.

That's fine for consumers wanting new and shiny - maybe - but I'd love to see Apple put out a Long-Term Support release like Ubuntu that gives you a stable base for production purposes.

That said, Christ I wish they would ditch HFS+ in favour of ZFS; now that's a feature I would gladly upgrade for on a production system.
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Snow Leopard was the last version to have .8 update, last release for all newer OS X versions .5, maybe El Capitan will be an exception and it gets 1 or 2 additional updates?

Agreed on the long term support release, it would welcome.

I doubt ZFS happens because of license issues but I do agree that Apple should have a filesystem that is more reliable than HFS+.

baryon said:
I love Apple's recent strategy of not actually making things better, but first making them good, then breaking them, then fixing them again, and pretending it's all getting better when really it's just one step forward, two steps back.

Apple should get back to releasing a new OS X every 4 years rather than every year. This absolutely sucks and everything is always full of bugs because they never get a chance to fix anything.
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This is the reason I'm staying in Mavericks, Yosemite has no real benefits for me and El Capitan has currently too many bugs. Maybe if Apple spends enough time fixing bugs I could consider installing it.

I don't see why Apple has to release new OS every year, to add insult to injury most of the "improvements" are pointless at best (Split screen) and harmful at worst (Disk utility).
 
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Ebenezum said:
I don't see why Apple has to release new OS every year, to add insult to injury most of the "improvements" are pointless at best (Split screen) and harmful at worst (Disk utility).
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Same here. And El Cap was supposed to be the Snow Yosemite fixing bugs and focusing on speed and stability. Speed, I will give it that. Stability, not so sure. Bugs, yes, it brought new ones.
 
Hmmmmmmmm....lots of bugs!!

I got it!!! It's time for another new OS X verion!!! Yeah....that's the ticket!!!
 
till213 said:
But the "E" does...
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"E" makes it the 5th release.
i.e.
15 (version of Darwin = OS X 10.11)
E (.x release: A = 10.11.0, B = 10.11.1, C = 10.11.2, D = 10.11.3, E = 10.11.4)
64 (revision, build number)

The "a" usually is meant for a revised or special build. "a" could be for "developer release", "b" could be public beta.
 
Have you ever wondered what it would be like if Apple ever paid attention to forums like these?
 
jameslmoser said:
One can hope... It better be. I have been a apple fan for a long time, but I'm really getting tired of their lack of quality control as of late. I can't use any of their devices for any period of time without having some problems or encountering some very annoying bugs. Its pretty embarrassing at times when I have advocated their products for years. I'm at the point again where I'm looking at alternatives, just like I was when they released Lion (*shudders thinking about it*)
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Gee. And I have been using Macs since the 1990s without all those "problems or encountering some very annoying bugs" you mention.
 
Apple used to be on an 18-24 month OS release cycle. People bitched about that, claiming we needed more frequent feature updates.

People bitched about not enough new features to warrant paying for that 18-24 month OS upgrade. Now OS X upgrades are completely free and they bitch about too many new features instead of focusing on optimizing the existing ones & fixing bugs—and that they wouldn't mind paying for upgrades that did so.

People bitched about the lack of change in the appearance of the OS, particularly the Finder. Apple changed it several times since OS X's initial release, and each time people bitched and tried to make it look like the previous version that they bitched about 6 months earlier, but now all of a sudden was the pinnacle of OS GUI.

Every year, people claim they're tired of Apple's "lack of quality control" and cite some bug that (quite frankly) few other people are experiencing. With every OS update, I continue to not have the problems people are claiming to be so widespread and all due to Apple's lack of quality control. Forget the fact that those few users are running beta OS software, and probably have hundreds of doo-dads installed that are the actual culprits.

Every year people bitch about Safari being a slow and buggy browser. Every update—even the ones that don't touch Safari's code—Safari RUNS SMOOTHER™
 
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MacGizmo said:
Every year people bitch about Safari being a slow and buggy browser. Every update—even the ones that don't touch Safari's code—Safari RUNS SMOOTHER™
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I don't think anybody is serious when posting that. It's one of the running themes: 16 GB storage in iPhones, Jony Ive making OS X ugly, "OS X is more gimped with every release", "I will never upgrade my Mavericks" and "Safari is snappier!". Have I missed anything?

In the meantime I am waiting for new iTunes to fix the offline sync in Apple Music so I can switch from Spotify.
 
MacGizmo said:
Every year, people claim they're tired of Apple's "lack of quality control" and cite some bug that (quite frankly) few other people are experiencing. With every OS update, I continue to not have the problems people are claiming to be so widespread and all due to Apple's lack of quality control. Forget the fact that those few users are running beta OS software, and probably have hundreds of doo-dads installed that are the actual culprits.

Every year people bitch about Safari being a slow and buggy browser. Every update—even the ones that don't touch Safari's code—Safari RUNS SMOOTHER™
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I generally agree with your points. I also keep an eye on events like the Pwn2Own event, reading that both Safari and OS X took it on the chin to the tune of $100k of awards on Day One. Day Two started a few hours ago, we'll see what today brings. Maybe that's partially driving the latest update or two or three in short order...? Cheers!
 
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grahamperrin said:
Ahem. Occasionally, over a four-year period: ahem.
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I was being generous :)
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-BigMac- said:
I know nothing about format types.
Can you elaborate in laymans terms how this format type would benefit users? Power and non power users please :)
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I did, a couple of posts later, in as laymany terms as I could. The more I look into it, the more I think HFS+ is the biggest source of problems related to OS X's performance and stability.
 
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azpc said:
I'd like to join your universe! Everyone I know with a Cox pop email account has this issue. Interestingly, the issue doesn't seem to exist in iOS 9.21 Although earlier editions of iOS had the same issue. So maybe I should hope the issue will be resolved shortly.
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Aha, I'm using my Gmail account with mail (IMAP). So, I guess we live in the same universe after all? :)

Sorry about your issues. Hope Apple will fix them soon (if it indeed is up to Apple to do so in this case).
 
USB audio under El Cap. is a disaster... problems not fixed in betas... so there's no hope for reliable USB audio in 10,11 ... Too bad...
 
MacGizmo said:
Apple used to be on an 18-24 month OS release cycle. People bitched about that, claiming we needed more frequent feature updates.
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More than twenty years ago, Apple planned to deliver reference releases – with the latest software technologies and features – twice yearly.
 
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