Apple Seeds Seventh Public Beta of macOS 13 Ventura

[Confused-User]

They still, four betas later, haven't fixed the networking system settings. You can't rename WiFi interfaces, and you can't edit wifi aliases ("duplicate services") *at all*, making them totally useless.

I'm not thrilled with the new system settings, but I'd be fine with them if they weren't implemented in such a grossly incompetent manner.

 

[mrfunnypenguin]

FWIW, it was fixed for me, and everyone else I know who was experiencing that issue, in b7. Haven't seen it since even once. Are you sure it's the same bug? Check if you're maxxed out at 20k assertions - if you're not, it's something else. In fact even if you are, it could be something else having trouble with power management - you'd need to see if they're the same assertions. To count them, at least, is easy - "pmset -g assertions|wc -l". Of course there will be other output and non-bug-related assertions - you should normally get 26-28, for the average Mac.

It is possible. I really hope they fix this soon. There is also this other bug in the Photos app, when you export a video the export percentage does not show. The export percentage just stays at 0% but the video does export just fine.

 

[tmoerel]

CLOCK ALARM APP STILL NOT WORKING CORRECTLY

Please don't scream. Hurts my head when I am not even done with my first morning coffee!

 

[imnotthewalrus]

CLOCK ALARM APP STILL NOT WORKING CORRECTLY

...and you reported this to Apple via the feedback app, right? (hopefully in lower case...)

 

[szilske]

Window manager crashed several times while I was on Slack calls. So be careful updating if you are using that a lot...

 

[reubs]

Is the music app still terrible in this latest operating system? I was reminded again yesterday how bad it is in the current OS.

 

[Jack Neill]

Is the music app still terrible in this latest operating system? I was reminded again yesterday how bad it is in the current OS.

That's why I still iTunes. It really is quite bad.. Not sure about Ventura but I have no hopes for it..

 

[Lycanthrope]

how has Ventura been so far?

Probably will hang out on Monterey for a while on my m1 air and upgrade a couple months after GM.

Ropey as hell - plagued with WiFi issues and Safari randomly freezing up

I installed it to try and fix the M1 audio glitch, which it did, but a whole slew of other bugs have made it almost unusable at times

TBH I'd wait, I'm not planning to migrate other machines until they've ironed-out the main issues

 

[HinoMusouka]

That's why I still iTunes. It really is quite bad.. Not sure about Ventura but I have no hopes for it..

I think Apple TV app and Apple Music app share code in Mojave and Ventura. Even in release .y versions of macOS I used to get weird behaviour in Music and TV - like the whole screen started blinking uncontrollably when some options in Music are selected. Same in TV app. Really weird thing. Plus I have another bug opened through Apple Support since macOS 12 that concerns faulty playback from Music app to external network amplifier. I wish they really put more time into making those app work well.

 

[fstoprm]

how has Ventura been so far?

Probably will hang out on Monterey for a while on my m1 air and upgrade a couple months after GM.

Working great for me. Resolve is humming right along, no crashes etc. I've been using it since public beta 4

 

[Confused-User]

They fixed the Game Center bug that appeared in the previous beta, where you couldn't log in. Now if only they could retire bugs faster than they created them.

Spoke too soon, it's broken again. Either it's a back-end issue not really related to Ventura, and they're still screwing around, or it's something flaky.

This was working consistently a couple betas ago.

Edit: Also, the Game Center system settings panel isn't functional. It never draws any controls, just shows a spinner.

 

[Artemis70]

What's messed up is that as a professional TV editor, I cannot upgrade my Macs to the latest OS because none of my editing programs are ever ready for the transition - and this includes company VPN software I use to work from home that is not stable on the new Mac OSes. As a company that caters to "pros," Apple has work to do. Their Mac OS development needs to be tailored to work with professional software that "pros" actually use. And this isn't including Final Cut Pro, Apple's software. Apple is fully invested in FCP so it feels hopeless to think they would work with Adobe or Avid on making compatible OS and software development & releases.

You've got me curious. The latest OS is Monterey, right? Are you saying that you use VPN software and other software that doesn't work with Monterey? Or is this about the next OS that is currently in beta?

I'm curious how Apple can make sure that Adobe and Avid software is compatible with future versions of the OS. Would you like it be like in Windows, where Microsoft deliberately leaves bugs in API's, as some software relies on those bugs? We then get version 2 of the same API, but many developers still use version 1, not knowing about the fact that the API doesn't work as advertised. Apple works differently, and does sometimes improve the working of the API. This does sometimes cause pain for application developers, and they sometimes have to do work to make their software compatible. Some companies are faster in providing these new versions than others.

 

[Pianoplayah]

Anyone else hate the new system settings? It feels like change for its own sake and now I can’t find anything. Maybe it makes their development job easier in the future or something, to make it look like an ipad?

 

[MajorFubar]

What's messed up is that as a professional TV editor, I cannot upgrade my Macs to the latest OS because none of my editing programs are ever ready for the transition - and this includes company VPN software I use to work from home that is not stable on the new Mac OSes. As a company that caters to "pros," Apple has work to do. Their Mac OS development needs to be tailored to work with professional software that "pros" actually use. And this isn't including Final Cut Pro, Apple's software. Apple is fully invested in FCP so it feels hopeless to think they would work with Adobe or Avid on making compatible OS and software development & releases.

Don't get me wrong I'm the first to lay into Apple when justified, but developer Betas will have been available for four (?) months by the time Ventura drops, so how is it Apple's fault that the developers of the third-party apps you use are behind the curve?

In any case this is nothing new, and is the reason why audio and video professionals are often the last to upgrade their computers' OS's, choosing to retain the OS which best runs the apps they need to use.

 

[hoodafoo]

Is there any performance gains to be had upgrading to Ventura?

 

[preetb]

Apple today seeded the seventh beta of macOS Ventura to its public beta testing group, allowing non-developers to test the new macOS Ventura operating system ahead of its release. The seventh beta comes following the sixth public beta and it corresponds with ninth developer beta released earlier this week.

Public beta testers can download the macOS 13 Ventura update from the Software Update section of the System Preferences app after installing the proper profile from Apple's beta software website.

macOS Ventura introduces Stage Manager, a new multi-tasking option for focusing on a task while having other apps waiting in the wings. Stage Manager puts your main app front and center, tucking your other apps to the side for quick access.

Continuity Camera allows you to use your iPhone as a webcam for your Mac, offering much better camera quality than the built-in Mac camera. Apple is building special stands to hold the iPhone with a Mac, and there are neat features like Desk View, which uses the Ultra Wide lens.

Handoff now works with FaceTime so you can answer calls on the Mac and then transfer them over to another device, and Messages is gaining undo, edit, and mark as unread features. SharePlay now works in Messages in addition to FaceTime, and the Mail app has been overhauled. Search is more relevant, emails can be scheduled, and there's even an option to undo an email for up to 10 seconds after it's sent.

Apple brought the Weather and Clock apps to the Mac, redesigned System Preferences and renamed it System Settings, and added support for Shared Tab Groups. Passwords are being replaced with more secure Passkeys in iOS 16 and macOS Ventura, and there are updates to Spotlight, Visual Lookup, Live Text, and more.

There are a ton of other features in macOS Ventura, and we have a full rundown available in our dedicated macOS Ventura roundup.

Article Link: Apple Seeds Seventh Public Beta of macOS 13 Ventura

I see that these idiots have finally brought back widgets which were quite useful in Snow Leopard. Wonder how many committee meetings, politics and late night sessions this took to make it look "innovative."

 

[fstoprm]

Is there any performance gains to be had upgrading to Ventura?

I am not a "beta tester" in the sense of compiling performance numbers etc., however IMHO the performance of Ventura on the Mac Studio M1 Max is what I was expecting when purchased the Max. The difference in performance vs. Monterey is remarkable, even as a beta install. Fast... works... with all of my production installs i.e., Resolve, Creative Cloud, etc.

 

[Realityck]

I see that these idiots have finally brought back widgets which were quite useful in Snow Leopard. Wonder how many committee meetings, politics and late night sessions this took to make it look "innovative."

I don't see the weather application or clock as shown in that image as widgets.

A widget is a small application or program designed to facilitate access to the most used functions of a device. Its main feature is that they are integrated into the desktop of the computer or mobile phone and offer us visual information without the need to run anything else.

Here's your snow leopard widgets

The weather widget and clock widget above is akin to a small specific view of application like the definition above describes.

Now look at Ventura that show weather and clock applications, not widgets.

 

[Confused-User]

I am not a "beta tester" in the sense of compiling performance numbers etc., however IMHO the performance of Ventura on the Mac Studio M1 Max is what I was expecting when purchased the Max. The difference in performance vs. Monterey is remarkable, even as a beta install. Fast... works... with all of my production installs i.e., Resolve, Creative Cloud, etc.

Please say more!

I haven't seen anyone else yet claim that Ventura improves performance compared to Monterey. Obviously I'd like to see numbers, but even just a report on perceived differences would be better than nothing.

 

[hoodafoo]

Please say more!

I haven't seen anyone else yet claim that Ventura improves performance compared to Monterey. Obviously I'd like to see numbers, but even just a report on perceived differences would be better than nothing.

Maybe he clean installed

 

[fstoprm]

Please say more!

I haven't seen anyone else yet claim that Ventura improves performance compared to Monterey. Obviously I'd like to see numbers, but even just a report on perceived differences would be better than nothing.

The overall performance is just "better across the board" for me.

Here's an experience very similar to mine... (this user has included test numbers) -- https://forums.x-plane.org/index.ph...ore-gpu-using/&do=findComment&comment=2408447

 

[BanjoDudeAhoy]

Is there any performance gains to be had upgrading to Ventura?

Im not seeing any performance improvements on a day to day basis - which is not necessarily surprising because im not taxing the system enormously and the M1 performs brilliantly, so everything is at least as fast as before 😅

I did notice less swap usage that on Monterey. Previously I saw swap usage of somewhere between 100 MB and a Gig and now… nothing, despite using the exact same software.
I also feel like updates are faster.

 

[Realityck]

Im not seeing any performance improvements on a day to day basis - which is not necessarily surprising because im not taxing the system enormously and the M1 performs brilliantly, so everything is at least as fast as before 😅

I did notice less swap usage that on Monterey. Previously I saw swap usage of somewhere between 100 MB and a Gig and now… nothing, despite using the exact same software.
I also feel the updates are faster

Awhile back we noticed that Ventura installed a lot faster than Monterey. More involved preparation, removed the lengthy installing of MacOS. Safari by 12.4 was significantly faster than 12.3, but Ventura Safari was taking that speed gain and introduced shared tab groups that still has occasional caching issues on some HTML content. You can use the empty cache in dev menu to try to avoid that. Spotlight now is running in the background without the process scanning when it shouldn’t and provides a much richer scan and some previews of what it finds immediately. The way MacOS Ventura security methods react to things is faster than Monterey. What I haven’t seen much of yet is how metal 3 will mean to game playing compared to metal 2. Too soon from gaming developers to see this in action.

From MacRumors

macOS Ventura includes Metal 3, which will improve gaming quality on Apple silicon Macs. It includes MetalFX Upscaling for accelerated performance that offers gamers a more responsive feel and improved graphics. There's also a Fast Resource Loading API that gives games easier access to the high-quality textures and geometry for an immersive gameplay experience.

 

[BanjoDudeAhoy]

Awhile back we noticed that Ventura installed a lot faster than Monterey. More involved preparation, removed the lengthy installing of MacOS. Safari by 12.4 was significantly faster than 12.3, but Ventura Safari was taking that speed gain and introduced shared tab groups that still has occasional caching issues on some HTML content. You can use the empty cache in dev menu to try to avoid that. Spotlight now is running in the background without the process scanning when it shouldn’t and provides a much richer scan and some previews of what it finds immediately. The way MacOS Ventura security methods react to things is faster than Monterey. What I haven’t seen much of yet is how metal 3 will mean to game playing compared to metal 2. Too soon from gaming developers to see this in action.

From MacRumors

Stupid question maybe, but where do I find that dev menu?
Is that just in the developer beta?

 

[fstoprm]

Awhile back we noticed that Ventura installed a lot faster than Monterey. More involved preparation, removed the lengthy installing of MacOS. Safari by 12.4 was significantly faster than 12.3, but Ventura Safari was taking that speed gain and introduced shared tab groups that still has occasional caching issues on some HTML content. You can use the empty cache in dev menu to try to avoid that. Spotlight now is running in the background without the process scanning when it shouldn’t and provides a much richer scan and some previews of what it finds immediately. The way MacOS Ventura security methods react to things is faster than Monterey. What I haven’t seen much of yet is how metal 3 will mean to game playing compared to metal 2. Too soon from gaming developers to see this in action.

From MacRumors

I can tell you for sure that Metal 3 is a huge improvement over Metal 2