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They keep releasing updates that don't fix problems.... 2 glaring ones, speaker phone randomly doesn't work. At all. Also, tinder app breaks incoming calls and crashes phone.

1) Not come across that one. Have you reported it? I have to ask because many folk don’t.

2) Sounds like an issue with your app over the OS there. Have you reported it to their devs?
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I know right? Must be an improvement Apple has made to the battery life.

Don’t you mean denser?
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By the way, punctuation, not unlike the beta program, is free.

I'm trying to figure out how to say this without getting a time-out from the mods...

I feel your pain.
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As far as I can see Apple's developers have done a great job with iOS 11. Good performance and nice new features and touches.

Benchmarking results back this up too...
 
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Feel free to skip ahead to the next post, I’m just grumpy and seriously overdue a rant about something on here :p


Why is it every year when we enter the beta phase, we put our silly hats on, throw our common sense out of the window and forget everything we’ve learned from the past.

I mean all, or let’s say most, of the complaints are usually down to the fact that it is a beta release and not everything is in place.

The following are always true, certainly they have been in my 8 years or so of using the iOS betas and 20 odd years of product testing.

It’s a beta, there’s debug code running that will affect performance to varying degrees and in different places.

Some of the changes are temporary, surprisingly Apple don’t want all and sundry to see every single thing they have planned until it’s time to do so.

Some new features aren’t fully implemented yet, same reason as before.

Some aspects of the OS aren’t available at all to us yet, they’re still and until it’s time, will remain in internal testing.

Some aspects of the OS are being designed with the new devices in mind as much as they are the old devices. Some things will always work better on the soon to be released hardware than they will on current or older generations. Some may not work on current or older hardware at all.

Some of the problems with X app are because it’s a beta OS and apps haven’t been updated to comply with the changes.

Sometimes there are unforeseen problems, by their very nature they will take time to debug, fix and test before we get our grubby little hands on the fixes.

And of course, some of us just like to complain and proclaim doom over something we haven’t even seen in its completed state yet ;)


None of which changes the fact that it can be fun to try and second guess Apple and what they have planned. Or that next year, we’ll go through the exact same scenarios, questions and complaints all over again. So pay no attention to the grumpy, caffeine deprived old man in the corner.

Ahhhhhh, it’s nice to get a rant out of my system :p Now to work on grumpy, coffee machine on, Red Bull in hand, morphine, yeah this’ll do it :D
 
I find it hard to believe the tin hatters that Apple has deliberately lagged up your iPhone 7 so either a bug or maybe a completely reinstall with the actual release next week might do it.....if anyone had lag on their iPhone 7 next week with the GM I think the entire world would hear about it from the tech forums...if that is the case I'd like to see a video then..

This from beta 4 don't seem too bad ..yours worse then this then ?

That’s like, your opinion, man.

You quoted the wrong person, I think.
 
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Well this update seems to have broken photos on my iPhone. After install, all photos were gone, then over a few hours they downloaded from iCloud and now I’m stuck in a loop of it updating and reuploading.
 
I sort of don't believe you, but anyway if you remove the tiles at the bottom, which are the only ones you can toggle, then you defeat the purpose of the new control center for the most part. How is that better than say, keeping the iOS 10 design and having the main controls in a center page, the music page to the right, and a custom space page to the left?
I umm wish they would bring up the control center with two fingers. I will be surfing the inter webs scrolling up and poof there is the control center. On the iPad Pro 2 I’ll be swiping left through a page and wowsa there is multi screen...
 
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I umm wish they would bring up the control center with two fingers. I will be surfing the inter webs scrolling up and poof there is the control center. On the iPad Pro 2 I’ll be swiping left through a page and wowsa there is multi screen...
Great idea. I like it.
 
As I posted to someone the other night, this putting Snow Leopard and iOS 6 on a pedastal has to stop. The new versions, including these current betas of iOS and macOS are on par with anything of the past with a lot more features. I look at Snow Leopard and iOS 6 and aesthetically just shake my head. I hate skeuomorphism. The best thing Apple ever did was fire Forstall. iOS 7 was the first iOS I ever used. I hated it before 7. I always say to always run the latest software possible on your device. Just do it. It's really for the best and this FUD about planned obsolescence and device slow downs just has to stop as does this dislike of the post-Steve Apple. Apple is doing great and a lot of my favorite and some of the best Apple products and software are post-Steve. I loved Steve, but I also love Tim and think this era of Apple is underrated.

For a more in depth view of my opinion, check out this post I made yesterday.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ra-to-developers.2064501/page-8#post-24969070

You and me are so far off base. I pretty have the opposite opinion in everything you mentioned. No need to converse further about it :p
 
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I find it hard to believe the tin hatters that Apple has deliberately lagged up your iPhone 7 so either a bug or maybe a completely reinstall with the actual release next week might do it.....if anyone had lag on their iPhone 7 next week with the GM I think the entire world would hear about it from the tech forums...if that is the case I'd like to see a video then..

This from beta 4 don't seem too bad ..yours worse then this then ?

 
I umm wish they would bring up the control center with two fingers. I will be surfing the inter webs scrolling up and poof there is the control center. On the iPad Pro 2 I’ll be swiping left through a page and wowsa there is multi screen...
You can switch off "access within apps" that will stop that. Then it only works while on home screen. (or not in an app)
 
I've tried beta 1&2 and three on my iPhone 7 Plus and they were horrible. I could not dial anyone and the speaker phone was great out and would not work and tapping on an application to start it took eight seconds. I never could get the control panel to work. I waited for Beta eight and I had the same problems. I've also noticed that in iOS 11 at lbeta eight the dots in the upper left-hand corner for my Verizon connection turn back to the old bars. Anyway when I tried to call someone they could hear me but I could not hear them. So since I couldn't even make my 7+ make a phone call I decided to roll back to my archive iOS 10 . I always send feedback to Apple. Maybe I just have a very special iPhone 7 Plus?
 
That’s like, your opinion, man.

You quoted the wrong person, I think.

Yeah my opinion till I see the youtube videos next week of iPhone 7s running iOS 11 - Shall we see how that plays out and come back then and discuss ? Or even better heres one in the last day comparing the latest beta on a 5s which is a phone that is 4 years old running iOS 11 :)


and for the 7 -

 
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Anyone else lost all network connectivity? Wifi only now even though it says I'm on 3G/4G
 
I think you have the wrong idea. it delays the double click because it is waiting to see if you are going to click it again to make a triple click. Can you imagine if there was no delay, and every time you wanted to triple click, and you were a tad slower on the 3rd click? You would basically get the app switcher, then it would register as a single click after that, and you would be back to where you started. I'm not sure what you mean by "if it don't wait for a double."

They were talking about closing apps, eg single click. Why would enabling accessibility functions (and by that enable a triple click) have any impact on a single click?
 
The only UI issue besides the tiny 3D Touch delay i have noticed is that my notifications flicker slightly when i slide them away on the iPad 10.5 lockscreen
 
Not the animation, but the delay from pressing the home button to the animation starting. It was absolutely instant on iOS 10 on iPhone 7, now there is like a .3 to .5 delay before the closing starts.

Nope. Not even remotely close on timings - 0.1231 on a 6s and 0.0917 on. a 7. I suggest you wipe your phone and start again. Oh and remember debug script will often run slower, so that might explain your delay.
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my iPad is now loading public beta 9, I wonder why I am behind...

Time distortion?
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The only UI issue besides the tiny 3D Touch delay i have noticed is that my notifications flicker slightly when i slide them away on the iPad 10.5 lockscreen

Has this caused you to stroke out and foam at the mouth? ;)
 
Why should it wait for a triple click if it don't wait for a double (app switcher)? Just don't make sense to me.
It DOES wait for a double click. The wait time is based on the double click length setting. Same goes for triple click, but the delay is slightly longer.
 
It DOES wait for a double click. The wait time is based on the double click length setting. Same goes for triple click, but the delay is slightly longer.
Yes I do know this. But the post I replied to suggested that enabling the three-click feature has an impact on the single click, which it shouldn't.
 
Battery life is still jacked for me like it has been on all the previous betas on my iPhone 6. I'd revert back to iOS 10 but I updated my Watch to watchOS 4 before I realized the battery life issue.

Meanwhile, battery life is fine with iOS 11 on my iPad Air. I only did the iPhone update after the iPad seemed stable and reports elsewhere for the beta were as well. I've even tried calibrating the battery (discharge and reset a couple of times) and wiping the phone and reinstalling iOS 10 and then 11. No matter what I try, the battery dies after short periods of normal use, though it will be okay for a while under light use.

I've reported this issue for each beta I've installed.
My apologies to all. After doing some research, I had Apple test my iPhone remotely and they confirmed I needed to replace my battery. I have done so, and battery life is now fine running this beta. I should note that I first noticed this problem upon installing the beta, and threads on Apple discussions have many users noticing battery problems when they installed release versions of iOS *10*. Perhaps there's something in iOS that triggers this, and I didn't have it until iOS 11. But I will say that battery life with the new battery seems better than before the beta, meaning the issue was there to some degree then as well.

Again, my apologies and hopefully I didn't scare anyone off the beta unnecessarily.
 
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As I posted to someone the other night, this putting Snow Leopard and iOS 6 on a pedastal has to stop. The new versions, including these current betas of iOS and macOS are on par with anything of the past with a lot more features. I look at Snow Leopard and iOS 6 and aesthetically just shake my head. I hate skeuomorphism. The best thing Apple ever did was fire Forstall. iOS 7 was the first iOS I ever used. I hated it before 7. I always say to always run the latest software possible on your device. Just do it. It's really for the best and this FUD about planned obsolescence and device slow downs just has to stop as does this dislike of the post-Steve Apple. Apple is doing great and a lot of my favorite and some of the best Apple products and software are post-Steve. I loved Steve, but I also love Tim and think this era of Apple is underrated.

For a more in depth view of my opinion, check out this post I made yesterday.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ra-to-developers.2064501/page-8#post-24969070
I used to find the display of the running tape recorder in the Podcasts app on iPad fascinating. More interesting than what I was listening to! :D And it can be difficult to see which of two buttons is selected in some interfaces now. Why should just a difference in colour be the only indication? That tells me nothing. A shadow would make it obvious.
 
I used to find the display of the running tape recorder in the Podcasts app on iPad fascinating. More interesting than what I was listening to! :D And it can be difficult to see which of two buttons is selected in some interfaces now. Why should just a difference in colour be the only indication? That tells me nothing. A shadow would make it obvious.


I get where you’re coming from, but I tend to think that simple, clever use of colour can be the most universally understood interface feature.

I mean look at traffic lights (I forget what our cousins across the pond call them, stop signals? I don’t know, I’m highly medicated :D) anyway, you pull up to them and you know red means stop, green means why the hell isnt the guy at the front moving yet :p

Using machines at work, big red button, ahhhh danger, stop for the love of god. Green button, start, all is good with the world.

My face, red, danger angry, wife won’t speak to me. Green, Jesus get him to a hospital he’s taken too many meds :D

And so on and so on. What the hell do I know, I’m going back to pink floyd.
 
They were talking about closing apps, eg single click. Why would enabling accessibility functions (and by that enable a triple click) have any impact on a single click?

Yes I do know this. But the post I replied to suggested that enabling the three-click feature has an impact on the single click, which it shouldn't.
Sure it should. It has to wait to see IF there are going to be more presses before it reacts. So waiting for a 2nd or 3rd click before responding.

Just installed the beta on my iPad but it says its the 9th beta.0, not the 10th?
Public beta is 9. Dev beta is 10. They are the same though.
 
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