Apple Seeds Third Beta of macOS 13 Ventura to Developers

[ponzicoinbro]

The thumbnails on the left edge used to have a perspective tilt.
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There is no UI change.

Only the Options have been added to System Settings.

The minimized windows are tilted if foreground apps leave enough space on the left of the screen.

The minimized windows will be square face on if your foreground apps are near to the left side of the screen.

 

[chrisdazzo]

Neither one of those. Did you find an issue with those apps?

I use both on a regular basis these days, and want to make sure - if I do make the jump to Ventura betas - they both work relatively well, because afaik downgrading on the M1 machines is a b!tch.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

How about windows 11 on VMWare Fusion Player? Was it as smooth too?

I'm not running Windows 11 yet. Give it a try. Download the ISO and install it in trial mode.

My overall experience with Windows 11 is not very positive. It has its issues.

 

[BornAgainMac]

I wish it had more features this year. Perhaps a Mac Paint app.

 

[adrianlondon]

I wish it had more features this year. Perhaps a Mac Paint app.

A flying toaster screensaver.

 

[phpmaven]

These betas of Ventura have shown to be very stable, at least in the Mac I have been using to test it.
What has been your experience with these?

Beta 1 ran really well but beta 2 totally jacked up my system. It was a royal pain to revert back to Monterey. Ended up having to boot into recovery with Monterey on a USB stick and then install it from there. All of the online instructions about how to opt out of the beta program and reinstall Monterey failed multiple times. It just kept reinstalling Ventura. I usually like being on the bleeding edge, but never again.

 

[Realityck]

Beta 1 ran really well but beta 2 totally jacked up my system. It was a royal pain to revert back to Monterey. Ended up having to boot into recovery with Monterey on a USB stick and then install it from there. All of the online instructions about how to opt out of the beta program and reinstall Monterey failed multiple times. It just kept reinstalling Ventura. I usually like being on the bleeding edge, but never again.

If your were backed up to external ASR volumes, its as simple as having a DFU restore done back to Monterey.

Revive or restore a Mac with Apple silicon
Revive or restore an Intel-based Mac

Usually if you don't know how to do this process you make a store appointment. Yes a DFU restore is a factory reset wipe all data. Use Migration Assistant to recover system settings/apps/data from the ASR volumes.

 

[Spinnetti]

any idea if I can un-brick my imac now? (i.e. fixed via internet recovery?) My machine has been dead since the first beta release (well, except bootcamp)

 

[Realityck]

any idea if I can un-brick my imac now? (i.e. fixed via internet recovery?) My machine has been dead since the first beta release (well, except bootcamp)

Make a store appointment to do a DFU revive for your intel Mac if it isn't too old of a model. Needs to have USB-C ports. Can't use thunderbolt cables. If it's something that is not a hardware issue you still need their assistance to make it bootable.
Revive or restore an Intel-based Mac

 

[Spinnetti]

Beta 1 ran really well but beta 2 totally jacked up my system. It was a royal pain to revert back to Monterey. Ended up having to boot into recovery with Monterey on a USB stick and then install it from there. All of the online instructions about how to opt out of the beta program and reinstall Monterey failed multiple times. It just kept reinstalling Ventura. I usually like being on the bleeding edge, but never again.

Same but mine still bricked and NOTHING works including DFU, internet recovery, recovery partition, target disk mode, safe mode etc. Doesn't even recognize any disk, except ironically boot camp still works fine.

 

[Spinnetti]

Make a store appointment to do a DFU revive for your intel Mac if it isn't too old of a model. Needs to have USB-C ports. Can't use thunderbolt cables. If it's something that is not a hardware issue you still need their assistance to make it bootable.
Revive or restore an Intel-based Mac

Thanks. I tried to revive using my MBP over USB-C and no love. Everything worked like its supposed to according to the videos, but when the iMac boots, it goes right into internet recovery, and just loop reboots from there. Very odd. Its definitely not a hardware issue. My iMac is a 2020 BTO 27". Interestingly, my MBP is a 2018 I think, and that took the new OS without any issues whatsoever.

 

[Realityck]

Thanks. I tried to revive using my MBP over USB-C and no love. Everything worked like its supposed to according to the videos, but when the iMac boots, it goes right into internet recovery, and just loop reboots from there. Very odd. Its definitely not a hardware issue. My iMac is a 2020 BTO 27". Interestingly, my MBP is a 2018 I think, and that took the new OS without any issues whatsoever.

Perhaps it has to do with the multiple partitions, and admin authentication is whacked (looping). Any store party should be able to have some insight with it.

 

[mango316]

I'm not running Windows 11 yet. Give it a try. Download the ISO and install it in trial mode.

My overall experience with Windows 11 is not very positive. It has its issues.

oh ok I guess it’s time for me to switch from Parallels to VMWare then!

 

[StudioG]

Fixed it for you.

Or, like the old System 6 Control Panel!

 

[srbNYC]

I wish that, after turning off Stage Manager, windows would go back to the prior positions.

 

[fbr$]

I wish that, after turning off Stage Manager, windows would go back to the prior positions.

And I wish Apple had never created Stage Manager in the first place, and the time and resources used to create it were used for something useful.

 

[MacMediaNet]

I hate ported mobile applications to the desktop - user must click and click, and scroll and scroll. A typical example is Settings in Windows 10/11, App Store in newer macOS systems or System preferences in the new macOS Ventura. Quo vadis Apple??? Are you preparing for the merging iOS and macOS and the touch control? (Catalyst is a way to hell.)

 

[Ceecephous]

Is metal 3 available to test ?

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Beta 1 ran really well but beta 2 totally jacked up my system. It was a royal pain to revert back to Monterey. Ended up having to boot into recovery with Monterey on a USB stick and then install it from there. All of the online instructions about how to opt out of the beta program and reinstall Monterey failed multiple times. It just kept reinstalling Ventura. I usually like being on the bleeding edge, but never again.

Consider clearing the PRAM before upgrading a new Beta.
If your Mac starts acting app, Clear the NVRAM.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

oh ok I guess it’s time for me to switch from Parallels to VMWare then!

Just to be clear, my positive testing was on an Intel Mac.Very happy with the results.

On my M1 Mac, VMWare Player (Preview) is able to run Windows 11 (ARM Preview), but it's not supported yet. I had to do a hack to get the installer find a network card. Also there's no Hardware Acceleration for GPU support yet. And... there's no MS Store installed (there's a way to install it, but I'm already fed up with it). Basically, it's unusable.

 

[srbNYC]

Does anyone know a way to get Mailboxes (folders) to show up in a search in Mail? Before Ventura, if I typed a word, a folder with that name would appear in the results-list. Now it does not. Thanks.

PS: Reported in Feedback, too.

 

[rpmurray]

A flying toaster screensaver.

AfterDark Screensaver for macOS

 

[bluecoast]

Anyone know why Apple has been "inspired" to make the desktop pictures Windows-like? Are they too cheap to use some of the Flyover pictures they have for Apple Maps?

Disruptions due to Covid? Maybe they need the extra money for exec pay?

My understanding is that Ventura isn't especially pretty so maybe a flyover wouldn't be such a good idea (apologies to those that live there).

I expect they chose it because it just sounded cool (unless you remember the 90s Jim Carrey 'Ace Ventura' movie).

Close-ups of some flora would've been nice though.

 

[mango316]

Just to be clear, my positive testing was on an Intel Mac.Very happy with the results.

On my M1 Mac, VMWare Player (Preview) is able to run Windows 11 (ARM Preview), but it's not supported yet. I had to do a hack to get the installer find a network card. Also there's no Hardware Acceleration for GPU support yet. And... there's no MS Store installed (there's a way to install it, but I'm already fed up with it). Basically, it's unusable.

Thanks for the clarification! Almost got my hope up for my M1 Mac

 

[bobtem]

They’re gonna run out of California place-names…