They owe Samsung nothing. Apple already paid them handsomely for their product. Besides, Apple could have purchased memory solely from Toshiba instead. Then they would've owed everything to them?
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Apple Seeks Ban on Sales of Revised Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1N in Germany
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They owe Samsung nothing. Apple already paid them handsomely for their product. Besides, Apple could have purchased memory solely from Toshiba instead. Then they would've owed everything to them?
How are single-model sales relevant? Other than making Apple look good, of course.
If Apple could really sell a bunch more phones by offering more options then it's run by blithering idiots. Really, there's no upside for you in this discussion.
If Apple does eventually break into the TV market,
will Samsung sue Apple for making a TV that looks like a TV?
I'm getting pretty tired of all of these lawsuits and hope that all of these tech companies give it a rest. I can't even keep track of who is suing who anymore...
will Samsung sue Apple for making a TV that looks like a TV?
I'm getting pretty tired of all of these lawsuits and hope that all of these tech companies give it a rest. I can't even keep track of who is suing who anymore...
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I'm really not sure how it isn't relevant. You aren't going to make as much margin making 30 models as you will making 3, if you do it right, as Apple has shown. The bottom line is more important than the market share, and Apple selling more of any single model iPhone while only having a few models is kind of important when you consider sales of a model nab more margin over time as the ratio of sales to fixed costs rises.
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Apple could sell more phones no doubt, but would they make as much as they do now? Apple makes more profit than anyone else in the industry, as has been in various articles around the net. That includes Samsung making more phones. This is all about cost control, which is a lot easier to do when you aren't making 30-odd models of a product. So, where's the downside again?
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I'm really not sure how it isn't relevant. You aren't going to make as much margin making 30 models as you will making 3, if you do it right, as Apple has shown. The bottom line is more important than the market share, and Apple selling more of any single model iPhone while only having a few models is kind of important when you consider sales of a model nab more margin over time as the ratio of sales to fixed costs rises.
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Apple could sell more phones no doubt, but would they make as much as they do now? Apple makes more profit than anyone else in the industry, as has been in various articles around the net. That includes Samsung making more phones. This is all about cost control, which is a lot easier to do when you aren't making 30-odd models of a product. So, where's the downside again?
Yes and no. Apple's appeal will cause further delay.
http://www.zdnet.com.au/galaxy-tab-ban-overturned-in-australia-339327063.htm
Samsung Galaxy Tab ban overturned in Australia; Apple granted stay
“The Federal Court of Australia has overturned the preliminary injunction against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in a stunning verdict read to the Federal Court this afternoon,” Luke Hopewell reports for ZDNet Ausitralia.
“The unanimous decision made by Federal Court Justices John Dowsett, Lindsay Foster and David Yates ordered that the injunction made by Justice Annabelle Bennett be overturned, allowing the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 to be released in Australia,” Hopewell reports. “In a surprise move, however, Apple legal counsel Stephen Burley SC then sought a stay of the orders handed down by Justice Foster so that an appeal against the overturning of the injunction could be heard before the High Court of Australia.”
“Naturally, Samsung had strong objections to the stay of orders. ‘This order serves to prolong the injustice held against Samsung,’ the Korean gadget-maker’s representatives told Justice Foster today, adding that any stay or appeal to the High Court would see Samsung crippled in the upcoming Christmas shopping season. ‘Any stay, no matter how short, given the [impending] … Christmas season would prove further hardship to Samsung,’” Hopewell reports. “Justice Foster conceded to the orders proposed by Apple and issued a stay of orders until 4pm (AEDST) on Friday so that Apple could file its appeal in the High Court of Australia.”
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Why, exactly?
Are they making your iOS or Android device run slower? Do they prevent you from getting up in the morning?
Lost marketshare. Pretty sure I've read before one of the biggest deterrent to switching from one platform to another is the investment in apps/media.
Also wasn't Apple's argument for banning the galaxy tab is that a potential apple customer would buy a GT instead and that customer would be forever lost to apple? Surely making a smaller profit off the initial device sale is better losing a customer locked into future ecosystem sales and device upgrade sales.
Ban overturned in Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/tablets/samsung-tablet-ban-lifted-20111130-1o5rz.html
Edit: I see LTD beats me too it.
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/tablets/samsung-tablet-ban-lifted-20111130-1o5rz.html
Edit: I see LTD beats me too it.
The point was that the bottom line matters more than market share.
I don't really think that's relevant, because if Apple wins and Samsung is deemed "copying" Apple, Apple has a chance to try and prove their point. Making a smaller profit on the initial device sale wouldn't seem to have to do much with their point.
Sorry but thats ur problem. Apple have more important things to take care of than trivial worries lol
The only thing limiting the market for other players that may be "cheaper or better" is the other players themselves and their lack of will to fight the battle.
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If Samsung believes that Apple is infringing on their IP and/or copying the look and feel of Samsung TVs, then Samsung should go for the jugular. They should go after Apple with everything they have and make Apple pay. I will defend Samsung's right to defend their IP.
When someone invests resources into developing something, they have every right to the fruits of their labors. If someone is piggybacking of off their hard work, then they have every right to seek redress in the courts. This is all that Apple has done. They believe Samsung is piggybacking off of their hard work. They're seeking redress in the courts as a result. What is so wrong with this?
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I would downrank you because your post is filled with baseless garbage. It makes me sick to my stomach that people can be so irrational in their dislike of Apple.
How exactly does securing enough components to make product qualify as price fixing? What stopped competitors from doing the same? Why couldn't they save up cash and make strategic use of it? It's called economies of scale. Apple bought large quantities of NAND flash in bulk. As a result, Samsung was willing to cut Apple a good deal. It could have been any other company doing it.
Apple doesn't owe any of their success to Samsung beyond what they paid Samsung for their services. Apple earned every ounce of their success, simple as that. Samsung didn't make those components for Apple out of the goodness of their hearts. Stop making it sound like that.
You talk about how people downvote criticism of Apple on this forum. I have noticed that some people are just so irrational about their dislike towards all things Apple that anything Apple does is evil. But if anyone else does it, they would gladly look the other way.
No.
Apple needs to do this in order to set a standard, Samsung needs to get a life and start coming up with original designs
That's your point, not apples. Apple fears GT sales will take away market share from apple, causing irreparable harm since once they are "android people" they will never buy iOS again, harming apple's bottom line.
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Why wouldnt it be relevant, this is apple's argument.
The problem with the argument that you are making, that with more models Apple would outsell Samsung, is what others have said, there is no way to legitimately prove it. And providing another example is difficult because there isn't really one that is applicable enough to prove the point.
There are too many factors that are can't line up to other products,
IOS vs Android, which one someone chooses before they invests $$ into apps and docks and things has a huge factor on the decision to upgrade to a new phone, if someone invested in IOS wanted to go to Android, they would have to buy everything new again, thus costing more, and vice versa, the only comparable example would be computers or video game systems. Computers don't work because there are more Windows laptops than Mac laptops and the Windows ones outsell Mac ones. Video game systems, could work in this example but then the argument is there are 3 companies to compete with and which would be Apple in this case.
Form Factor, Android has many different form factors and sizes to choose from, anything from 3.2" screens to 4.65" screens to slide out keyboards to dual screens to blackberry style form factors, and Samsung makes one of each, except the dual screen, Apple has 1 form factor. If Apple decided to make an iPhone with a slide out keyboard, I imagine it would initially gain some sales from people who would buy the Samsungs with a keyboard, but its impossible to tell how many, and again there isn't really an applicable example to show this happening. Computers don't work, Video Games don't work, cars wouldn't apply, theres no example that would apply to the argument being made.
So in conclusion, if Apple produced as many models as Samsung, it is impossible to prove that they would outsell Samsung, and it is equally impossible to say that they would continue to not outsell Samsung. But to say that because they sell more per of each model than Samsung so therefore are doing better, doesn't really work, because they are still selling less product overall, and in reality, the more product you have in the hands of consumers the better your doing.
srry if this is a bit incoherent its 2am and I'm half a sleep
I would say that the more money they're making, the better they're doing. I don't know about Samsung as a whole, but I'm sure it's more than their mobility segment.
As for the other part, I was already satisfied when they admitted as much that they can't prove anything. But selling more of less models can be equal if not better than selling in volume as Samsung, because Apple is bringing in a much higher margin per unit. They're making far more money on less volume, and they have a much more cohesive product ecosystem to boot, which makes larger market share of competitors not as important. Samsung doesn't give customers as many reasons to not switch as Apple does.
And that's the problem with the maret share argument. Really, the bottom line matters more.
Apple was already being ridiculous, but this has reached new levels of absurd. I sit here typing on my MacBook Pro, with an iPhone 4S beside me. I'm not anti-Apple. And unfortunately, I'm much too tied into Apple's ecosystem. Or I'd drop Apple like a hot potato for this absurd behavior
But samsung was first with the design!
http://www.androidauthority.com/behold-samsungs-ipad-made-in-2006-21278/
Parallel examples probably do exist in the market.
Liking the goal post shift, btw. Now we are discussing opinions
We've always been discussing opinions, you've never stated facts.
The only fact stated here was that Samsung sells more phones than Apple and that "per model" sales are irrelevant to this figure and just a way to spin this into a positive for Apple.
Samsung offers diversity, Apple offers simplicity. 2 models, both working fine since both companies are shipping tons of units. It just happens it worked better for Samsung in Q3 2011. To claim either is doing poorly is plain ludicrous.
First, the judges have yet to make their second ruling. Thus, we know nothing of what they see in the redesign.
Second, if i remember it correctly, the tab was compared to the community design, not the iPad as such.
