Could be that some marketeer went vertical getting his superiors to believe that the shop was opened in time.
Which in the appreciation of the Apple top bra probably is with a few watch bands on stage
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Apple Seemingly Unable to Recover Data From 2018 MacBook Pro With Touch Bar When Logic Board Fails
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Which in the appreciation of the Apple top bra probably is with a few watch bands on stage
Notice that what Apple wants is to spend more money faster.
Both Macbooks and iMacs used to be upgradable and last a long time. NOT ANYMORE...
Apple reason to do this is NOT design, is NOT innovation, but just trying to make the user spend more money faster.
The only reason Apple is soldering the RAM, SSD and more, is that if something brake, there is more probability that will affect other things, so you are F#$%ed and you need to take to Apple to repair, spending more money. Or if something brakes you need to replace it faster since it is more difficult to get it fixed.
Not only Macbooks are NOT upgradable but if just a simple RAM goes bad, instead of buying one and pop it in, you need to take it to the Apple repair to replace it...
What a joke Apple has become...
Sad...
As someone said Welcome to the Soldered Donglebook!
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It is Apple complete responsibility when they are creating products that are complete monsters that alienate their entire customer base and the only reason for the design is to make you spend more money.
Your attempt to justify Apple bad design for a Macbook Pro is quite hilarious.
If a RAM goes bad, it used to be possible to just open the computer and replace it yourself.
Now go spend hundreds of dollar at Apple repair centers for a RAM...
Not to mention that once you buy a Macbook, you are stuck and cannot be upgraded at all...
What a joke... for a so called "Pro" soldered donglebook...
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SJ created a nice enterprise. TC is ruining it. Who will be the next super hero to safe Apple?
What Apple thinks about Macbook = great product, best ever...
Reality check (what users actually think) = Overpriced, NOT upgradable, same lame keyboard, poor specs (basic model ships with 256 SSD), Welcome to the lame soldered donglebook!
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The question is NOT that how to recover your DATA.
The question is that you cannot UPDATE or change a bad RAM or SSD yourself.
If you buy a Macbook, you are stuck with it. Can NOT upgrade it.
If an SSD goes bad, you open the donglebook, replace it and use the Back up. NO need to contact Apple Repair.
The only reason for Apple to do these lame Soldered donglebooks, is to milk more money out of its users...
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Here's why I see this as an issue:
1. Something like a liquid spill CAN render a LoBo useless without really harming the storage. There are plenty of failure modes that can kill the computer without killing the storage.
2. Even if you do have a part of the drive die, with a removable drive or direct access to the drive(as was provided by the port) it's usually possible for people with the right tools to recover/reconstruct the data. Even if they don't get it all, it's better than nothing. It looks like now, this option doesn't exist at all.
BTW, even if someone is diligent about daily back-ups, it seems lost on some on this thread how devastating even losing a day's work can be.
It's sad to see that the new MacBook Pro's no longer have upgradable components. I suspect this will be a Mac wide phenomenon which will make upgrades non-existant. It's just one more reason not to purchase a new MacBook.
Data recovery is also incredibly expensive, I'm not even sure it'll be possible on these new MacBooks. I always backup files but failure can happen at any time and many people have critical data that may not be backed up since backups are only hourly.
Anyway, I think this is a mistake along with the various decisions Apple has been making for the past couple of years. I personally feel like they should've left the memory and storage upgradable but then I'm also the person who believes that having 4 USB-C ports is ridiculous. Most people will have to rely on dongles and if that's the case why not implement them from the very beginning?
Data recovery is also incredibly expensive, I'm not even sure it'll be possible on these new MacBooks. I always backup files but failure can happen at any time and many people have critical data that may not be backed up since backups are only hourly.
Anyway, I think this is a mistake along with the various decisions Apple has been making for the past couple of years. I personally feel like they should've left the memory and storage upgradable but then I'm also the person who believes that having 4 USB-C ports is ridiculous. Most people will have to rely on dongles and if that's the case why not implement them from the very beginning?
If you go through life without a backup you're asking for trouble - in this day and age of multiple different types of auto backup software - they real question is if you're not using a back-up then you deserve to loose your data and it's nobody's fault but your's
You can always count on Apple to go that extra mile and make things more proprietary, more difficult do repair/upgrade. And they can continue to do this because customers aren't complaining.
And yes, always favor corporation over fellow citizens. It's just the right thing.
It's not 330 anymore. It's 475.00 plus 100.00 for labor.
Reasons to not buy Apple laptop computers anymore.
1. soldered replaceable components, ie memory and ssd
2. 4 or 2 ports including power
3. Not testing computers at factory
4. Price
5. replacing f keys with idiocy
6. Out of warranty repair prices
7. too many component failures and lawsuits
8. farming out software, new os every year
9. adapter prices, needing adapters
10 garbage batteries
There has to be more I just can't think of any. My 2014 MBP is my last. No more istuff either.
Always make backups on any computer. Learned that the hard way on IBM 360's.
In my opinion if there is no recovery option then it very much IS Apples responsibility. Time Machine isn’t Fail proof. One is none and two are one, or so the saying goes.
Having ONE single point of failure as a backup is stupid. It’s not being lazy to think that external drives fail. Time machine fails, etc.
Ya Steve Jobs would never allow anything to be soldered in place....oh wait.
That's what happens when you solder everything. Everyone involved with the idea of the soldered donglebook, including those who bought it, deserve this. NO SYMPATHY when there's been so much backlash against the recent MacBooks.
You made your bed, now sleep in it
Its nothing to do with soldering - thats incidental.
Anything with a T2 has the SSD encrypted and you can't turn it off.
The T2 has a hardware encryptor that encrypts the SSD AES 256 , using keys managed by the secure enclave that are generated from an hardware random number generator, that are not exposed to anything outside the paired encryptor and enclave. This is similar to how iOS devices encrypt their SSDs and part of the reason why it is so hard to forensically extract data from locked iOS devices.
Given that the SSD can now no longer be moved to a new MLB and retain the data - from an in-warranty repair standpoint, there's no point in NOT soldering it - SSD failure rates are tiny, and it simplifies the field repair to a module swap. Physical connectors are always a failure point in contrast.
It does have an impact in terms of upgrading during the useful lifetime of the device - and its far to complain in that scope.
My apologies if this has been addressed somewhere between pages 3 and 15...
I am currently using Dropbox as an ongoing offline/cloud storage for most of my files, with TimeMachine backups nightly and photos etc also on my NAS (chose QNAP many years ago but am having some issues with this...though even this has some functionality for VPN'ing back to it from anywhere) and a separate USB-attached hard-drive. This has always struck me as unnecessarily complicated as well as possibly insufficient.
So the question is - what is the best way to store and backup things so they are protected, while still being reasonably accessible? (I would be ok with photos stored in the cloud as we don't generally need them instantly, however some other documents need to be more readily available). I am trying to improve my overall network security and privacy, but have to allow for the "needs" of four kids as well. I'm hoping to be able to use the current hardware for now, until routers with the new WPA3 protocol come out, then could consider replacing things as necessary, within reasonable limits of course.
I am currently using Dropbox as an ongoing offline/cloud storage for most of my files, with TimeMachine backups nightly and photos etc also on my NAS (chose QNAP many years ago but am having some issues with this...though even this has some functionality for VPN'ing back to it from anywhere) and a separate USB-attached hard-drive. This has always struck me as unnecessarily complicated as well as possibly insufficient.
So the question is - what is the best way to store and backup things so they are protected, while still being reasonably accessible? (I would be ok with photos stored in the cloud as we don't generally need them instantly, however some other documents need to be more readily available). I am trying to improve my overall network security and privacy, but have to allow for the "needs" of four kids as well. I'm hoping to be able to use the current hardware for now, until routers with the new WPA3 protocol come out, then could consider replacing things as necessary, within reasonable limits of course.
I have used Macs since the mid 1980's. I added RAM to my Mac+ and to every Mac I have owned since then. I upgraded the HD on all but the earliest Macs I had. I even upgraded the 68L040 processor to a full 68040 in my LC475.
Hell it even started earlier than that when I added another 32K of RAM to my TRS-80 clone.
The BEST form of "recycling" is to upgrade it, add more RAM, more storage
Apples current system is
Sell your old lap top for less than you bought it
Now Pay Apple at least twice what the RAM and SSD are worth retail price wise when you buy a new laptop.
The Answer is NO.
I am NOT going to do that.
I am also looking at the 50 iMacs we have in one of our teaching labs and seriously considering replacing them with Windows boxes. Wireless keyboards and mice are just too easy to steal.
They may be small HP NUCs, and all the heavy lifting will be done with VDI services.
Cheaper hardware
Cheaper software
Far more flexible
Cheaper support costs
And Apple does not support VDI.
With VDI we can quickly go from Physics, to Chemistry to Data science, etc etc etc all by choosing a different VDI appliance.
Apart from pissing off users, they are about to write themselves out of tertiary education as there are far better solutions in the Windows/Linux word.
If the T1 did not have the hardware encryption, then what was the reason for soldering the SSD on the 2016 models? I wouldn't be surprised if the whole hardware encryption thing was added merely as an attempt to justify the soldering. Let's not suddenly forget that many Mac users have been using FileVault full disk encryption which has been working quite well with the "bad old" removable SSDs.
As for "simplified" repair, removing an SSD blade used to require 1 screw. Compared to how many screws and cables to remove the entire logic board?
[doublepost=1532497826][/doublepost]All this arguing over backups and data recovery could be avoided if we just remember one basic point: Apple loyalists will defend Apple no matter what. So instead of arguing, it would be better if Apple had just:
1. Kept SSDs removable.
2. Turned off hardware encryption by default.
3. Left normal FileVault encryption available as an option.
People would be able to replace/upgrade their SSDs. Apple loyalists will happily defend the removable SSD and continue blaming users for:
1. Not enabling encryption by simply checking the box. Why should Apple be responsible?
2. Not backing up their data. Why should Apple be responsible?
3. Not keeping their FileVault recovery keys in a safe place. Why should Apple be responsible?
Win/win?
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No one is saying Apple needs to do data recovery on a drive that malfunctioned but for a drive that is intact due to a UNRELATED hw failure. It’s only been a recent phenomenon that drives are unable to be removed in the event of a computer failure so you’re “always has been” line is a load of nonsense as it was a different scenario.
You’re argument works if the drive itself that malfunctions. The issue you don’t seem to grasp is that you could have a fully intact drive but if the logic board goes out then you’re screwed. Why are you ok with this?
Hell, let’s extend this nonsensical line of reasoning......would you be ok if your data was gone because a USB port, an unrelated component, simply malfunctioned? See how absurd this argument is?
Apple is a computer company. They should provide a solution
And yes, stop apologizing for Apple JFC
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Many of the responses here point out the importance of having backups, and the responsibility of users to make them regularly. This is true, and component failure is always a possibility. The issue is that by consolidating the SSD onto the motherboard (and now removing this recovery port), there are more potential component failures (unrelated to the SSD) that can cause the loss of your data. Whereas traditionally, where the SSD was a separate module, component failures unrelated to the SSD would generally not affect it.
I understand that with design compromises, we might give up some robustness and reliability for the sake of gaining some other advantage. But what advantage did Apple give us in exchange for the additional risk of data loss?
I understand that with design compromises, we might give up some robustness and reliability for the sake of gaining some other advantage. But what advantage did Apple give us in exchange for the additional risk of data loss?