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Apple Seemingly Unable to Recover Data From 2018 MacBook Pro With Touch Bar When Logic Board Fails
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Everyone saying that "you should just back up": that doesn't make this a non-issue. Backups also fail, they aren't always as up to date, and regardless, there will always be various reasons to recover data from a drive. Always.
Your hard drive or SSD has "X" chance of failing. Your motherboard has a much higher, "Y" chance of failing. And now, with the new MacBook Pro, we've made sure that when one fails, so does the other. Meaning that the chance of your SSD failing is always the highest chance of the two. In other words, you are much more likely to lose your data forever with this machine, than with other machines.
If you use TimeMachine, you have to always have your drive plugged in in order to get hourly backups. With only 2 USB ports on the vast majority of MacBook Pros, there is no way you're always going to sacrifice one of them for that. So you'll back up whenever you remember to do so. I often forget for days to do a backup. And I don't want to lose an hour's worth of work, let alone that of multiple days!
Apple is dumb for doing this. That's all there is to it. Stop denying it. They make stupid choices and they are increasing your reliance on AppleCare and decreasing the lifetime of their own products, which whether they specifically planned for it or not, is making them more money. That's exactly what they're doing, I hope everyone's aware of this.
Your hard drive or SSD has "X" chance of failing. Your motherboard has a much higher, "Y" chance of failing. And now, with the new MacBook Pro, we've made sure that when one fails, so does the other. Meaning that the chance of your SSD failing is always the highest chance of the two. In other words, you are much more likely to lose your data forever with this machine, than with other machines.
If you use TimeMachine, you have to always have your drive plugged in in order to get hourly backups. With only 2 USB ports on the vast majority of MacBook Pros, there is no way you're always going to sacrifice one of them for that. So you'll back up whenever you remember to do so. I often forget for days to do a backup. And I don't want to lose an hour's worth of work, let alone that of multiple days!
Apple is dumb for doing this. That's all there is to it. Stop denying it. They make stupid choices and they are increasing your reliance on AppleCare and decreasing the lifetime of their own products, which whether they specifically planned for it or not, is making them more money. That's exactly what they're doing, I hope everyone's aware of this.
11. Crappy Keyboard.
12. Still the removal of one of the best Apple features ever, the Mag-Safe.
13. Entry Specs are a joke. base model ships with 256gb SSD.
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...So plug your time machine disk into a compatible router and just have the computer do it automatically so you CAN'T forget.
The effort of people going out of their way to create their own issues is simply staggering.
Plugging your time machine in a router will not help you when you are on the road.
Plugging your time machine in a router will not help you get stuck and not be able to upgrade at ALL your Macbook so called Pro... AKA the soldered Donglebook...
The effort of Apple to milk more money out of its user by alienating their entire user base is completely ridiculous...
Yet it will update you anytime you're not on the road. That's convenient, automatic, and should the worst happen at least get your to a recent state. IF you're on the road, it's on you to have backups of information that is critical. Otherwise you just flat out suck at whatever it is you're paid to do.
I don't know what the underlined is supposed to mean at all, can you rephrase that?
Whatever back ups you do, it does not solve the problem that the new Macbook have soldered RAM and SSD, what make them completely NOT upgradable, more difficult and costly to repair and more prone to have data failures.
So whatever you buy you are stuck with it. Really??
Hence the new name the Soldered Donglebook.
LOL I have an XPS13 in my stable of work laptops and a personal 13" MacBook Pro. I hope you like the fans on the XPS13 cranking up like a jet turbine if you just look at it funny. Nobody will miss the rage quitters, BTW.
There is no defensible reason for building the system the way they did?! How about making the storage the fastest of any laptop? What about packaging requirements? I personally love the design of Apple hardware and have NEVER run into a data loss situation. Time machine is my primary backup, has seen my data move between about 15 macs since 2008. Also iCloud / google drive offer a perpetual sync of ANY folder on the Mac for an offsite backup.
I used Target Disk Mode successfully when transferring from a Late 2012 MBP to a 2018MBP. However, my dad could not use it as it transfer speeds were really slow. So, it is not an across the board issue, but I am seeing other reports of it as well.
Dude seriously? If you can produce the work in half a day then it can be re-made in half a day if you lost it. But have you ever heard of iCloud Drive, Dropbox, google drive, etc? Instant syncing to an offsite backup.
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Except they would have had to design a new one since the T2 is the NAND controller now.
That's so you can keep your data safe!
Also
Can anyone confirm no target disk mode. That is a major issue and has saved my neck a few times.
Thunderbolt 3 also offers 10Gb peer to peer Ethernet when connecting two TB3 devices.
It’s also supposed to work with a TB3 to TB2 adapter but I don’t have any experience with that so I can’t confirm it works.
For sequential, non-iterative work of great (reproducable) routine that is.
In that case, indeed why even bother...
I knew I forgot something.
I do three backups everyday. CCC, superduper and a plain copy to a windows machine manually just for data.
I just had my MbP late 2013 worked on, replaced near everything except the screen and case. And one of the
USB ports isn't working. Back to Apple store. Any more and it goes to the lawyer.
Looks like a choice for the shareholders indeed. More profit to put it short. Just like John Deere equipment now being serviceable computers on machinery and wheels.
That's what happens when you solder everything. Everyone involved with the idea of the soldered donglebook, including those who bought it, deserve this. NO SYMPATHY when there's been so much backlash against the recent MacBooks.
You made your bed, now sleep in it
I’m quite annoyed by Apple doing this and think it’s totally unacceptable but comments like this are just as annoying. Dongles have absolutely nothing to do with this and blaming Apple’s design problems on the customer is ridiculous. It’s Apple’s responsibility to take care of the customers. The new MacBook Pro’s (2016 onwards) are great in general in my opinion even if there are some problems like this one and the T2 chip kernel panics.
all in the name of security, but what exact security ?? Seems more of an annoyance..
Why would Apple do anything "one direction/one way" There is always a reason
I agree with you. It is Apple's responsibility to create quality products. Unfortunately that has not been the case for many years. Innovation has been dead and uprade cycles are a joke. If we are paying a premium price for an "Apple" product then we should expect and demand better quality products.
THe new Macbooks Pro (2016+) are another major failure for several reasons.
- Soldered RAM and HD (is a major one) which make non upgradable computers, more expensive repairs and more prone to failure.
- removal of one the best features Mag Safe
- You cannot connect your own iphone-ipad
- Need of several dongles
- Major problems with keyboard (class action lawsuit).
- Way overpriced due to the touchbar.
I travel a lot and I need to travel light, this means I need to travel with and extra external drive, actually is a 3.5” hdd comected to a sata dock... OK ready to spend another 150usd in a new gadget
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Oh really? Even when tou are on the move? Dont forget your 4tb tine machine setup when you are travel light!
Yes really. When activated TM still backs up every hour and the media used depends on what you select and its current availability. At worst, with no external drive or internet access to iCloud the TM will locally save the 'snapshots' and will seamlessly resume normal off-board backups when they are plugged in or available wirelessly.
Back in the day when traveling light the MBP SD card reader became a flush-fitting TM target drive Since this feature has been deleted I do now travel with an encrypted M.2 SSD that contains my TM backups, a bootable copy of MacOS as well as regular USB file transfers. A 'no throttle' TM backup to an M.2 SSD takes moments to complete.
Back in the day when traveling light the MBP SD card reader became a flush-fitting TM target drive Since this feature has been deleted I do now travel with an encrypted M.2 SSD that contains my TM backups, a bootable copy of MacOS as well as regular USB file transfers. A 'no throttle' TM backup to an M.2 SSD takes moments to complete.
> Yes really. At worst, with no external drive or internet access to iCloud the TM will locally save the 'snapshots' and will seamlessly resume normal off-board backups when they are plugged in or available wirelessly.
Although true, this isn't much good if the SSD cannot be accessed as described in this topic!
Although true, this isn't much good if the SSD cannot be accessed as described in this topic!
Travelling with my ™ in the same backpack as my laptop, just the kind of thing I want to...