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Heres my thoughts-

1. If Apple does indeed introduce a "3G S" evolution over revolution type phone, I will be very surprised- 16 months is way to long for something like this.
2. I will consider not upgrading, but most likely will on launch day
3. Many 'geeks' will be unhappy with these minor changes but will end up with one anyways.
 
im sorry but i cannot disagree with you more. iOS 5 is integrating a LOT of new features. itunes match, icloud, wifi sync, just to name a few. they are building a bigger and better ecosystem for their users. like others have stated, the iphone 4 is still the best selling phone.

Do i want a new redesign? Sure
Will i cry out loud if they do not? No

Apple will keep innovating, and chances are, most posters in this thread will get the iphone 5 regardless of redesign or not.


I, Like many people, dont have access to IOS 5. We know it's out there, but not yet released.

Apple had sent out 7 / 8 betas of iSO 5… it’s usually not that many.

Why the Delay?
 
Ding Ding Ding Winner.....Apple has to adopt the cell carriers model. A "New" phone every 2 years not every year. You have to be able to go the full 2 years. These Free or low cost upgrades that have been provided will not continue to work....so say hello to the iPhone 4S!

yeah in the constantly changing tech world it makes sense to slow your increasingly better technology to appease the phone companies...

yeah right
 
The iPhone 4 already has 512mb of Ram, so really were only talking about an A5 processor :(




I hope this doesn't come to pass, and we do indeed get a new iPhone 5 with a 4" screen - but it's looking increasingly unlikely. The only hardware we've seen sneak onto rumor sites over the last couple of months all seem to back up the iPhone 4S style - rather than a new model completely.




That being said - if true and all were getting is a 8 megapixel camera and an A5 processor - WTF took Apple so long to offer this update ? Seriously....

For that reason alone - I'm hopeful of a newer model...



My Guess is, if this is true the real hold up is iOS 5. They probably didn't want to put a new phone out there with the same software as the old one.
 
I don't see why it would be so surprising if it does turn out to be an updated iPhone 4 with not much changed.

Remember the 3GS? Or even the iPhone 3G for that matter.
 
If this is true, I should be the unluckiest person on earth. Yesterday, I just sold my 9 months old iPhone 4, because I was hoping for an major update from Apple. :(
 
1. If Apple does indeed introduce a "3G S" evolution over revolution type phone, I will be very surprised- 16 months is way to long for something like this..

Hum... the 3G S "evolution" was a bigger upgrade than the original iPhone to the iPhone 3G and was very close in scope to the iPhone 4 "revolution".

Some of you guys really crack me. A case does not a big upgrade make. In fact quite the opposite. A case is superficial at best. A rose by any other name...
 
Maybe Apple just wants to expand its market share worldwide. In this case, it makes sense iPhone 4S/5 being launched as a minor upgrade just for running iOS 5 smoothly. Production costs will remain at a competitive degree.

Remember that iPhone is still expensive outside US and it's only the number one because of US sells. However, if Apple keeps the majority of sells restricted to US market, other brands like Samsung can be a mid-term iPhone-killer. A cheaper and faster iPhone 4 will certainly become a world's success.
 
If Kuo happens to be true .. I'd upgrade to iPhone 4 instead. Dual core A5 is not tempting enough for me to get the full premium price iPhone 5. Big screen is what matters for me.

Plus I can get iPhone 4 at cheaper price when iPhone 5 get released.
 
Of course he knows. He works behind the counter AND he has a Sprint name badge. If that doesn't drip "authoritative source" from the pores I don't know what would. :D

Other people in the know - Anyone with access to the Internet, a scriptwriter and a teleprompter, Sherlock Holmes' great, great, great niece, Napoleon Dynamite, and "the fly" on the wall.

Oh ye of little faith... :D
 
Do you get the impression that this analyst only has "sources" on the iPhone 4S production side? He says he's seen no evidence of an iPhone 5 because he hasn't. I'll bet those case makers have different "sources" than this analyst does.
 
Predicathon...

This is what we are probably going to see announced.

1) A new iPhone5 hardware design - with iPad2 internals.
2) A new iPod Touch or replacement line. Again with iPad 2 internals.
3) A new product to address Apple's weakness in the pre-paid phone market. A lower cost phone which would improve Apple's market share in many territories.

I expect...
The new iPhone 5 is a new case design we have not seen yet.

The iPod touch replacement is the larger format device, better suited to gaming, reading & media watching. Wouldn't be surprised if Apple stopped calling it iPod touch. 3G option a possibility.

My guess is that the prepaid iPhone will be a modified 8Gb iPhone4. Using existing plant and machinery to reduce costs.

C.
 
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Hum... the 3G S "evolution" was a bigger upgrade than the original iPhone to the iPhone 3G and was very close in scope to the iPhone 4 "revolution".

Some of you guys really crack me. A case does not a big upgrade make. In fact quite the opposite. A case is superficial at best. A rose by any other name...

It was was to a degree. iPhone 2G to 3G brought GPS, 3G Data (HUGE factor), case change. 3G S brought processor, RAM, camera, and compass. 3G S to iPhone 4 brought processor, RAM, camera, case design, gyroscope, and retina display.

So obviously the iPhone 4 has been the largest upgrade as far as iPhones go. iPhone 3G to 3G S was not that substantial in terms of usage for the 'average' user who doesn't care if Messaging opens in 6 seconds or 3 seconds.
 
This could get quite amusing. Say the "next" iPhone is a warmed over iPhone 4. Big difference is more RAM, A5 Proc, and combined CDMA/GSM chip. Everything else is the same. The "gotta have the absolutely newest" crowd rushes in to buy anyway.

Then Apple pushes out the true iPhone 4 successor with LTE & new design next summer during the usual launch period, say mid-July. Now the "gotta have it crowd" is essentially locked out b/c they just re-upped their sub 8 months earlier. Hilarity ensues as they say.
 
Hum... the 3G S "evolution" was a bigger upgrade than the original iPhone to the iPhone 3G and was very close in scope to the iPhone 4 "revolution".

Some of you guys really crack me. A case does not a big upgrade make. In fact quite the opposite. A case is superficial at best. A rose by any other name...

There is nothing wrong with wanting a redesign. In fact, sales wise, it would actually benefit to have a new design to distinguish it from the iphone 4. Most people would just buy the cheaper iPhone 4 if it looks exactly the same
 
if this is true, "disappointed" does not accurately convey my feelings. :mad: I'm an admitted Apple fanboy and had every intention to hand Apple over my hard earned cash for a redesigned iPhone. If its a processor bump, I'll be passing, and there is not much if the form of a new Apple product that I pass on.
 
I reckon it's right...

My suspicion is that they originally intended to launch a 4s in mid-year, as normal, to stay in line with the mostly two year phone contracts. But they had issues with design/supply/parts/Japanese earthquake and decided to push it back in line with iOS5 and iCloud, both of which will form the basis of the September media event. I'd hope for a 5 mid 2012. I suspect that there are a lot of people who will be pretty hacked off if a new phone is launched which can't be upgraded to on an existing contract immediately.

iOS5 and iCloud significantly improve the 4, which is still a great little machine. I use iOS5 and love it, and the potential that it brings to developers, and am really looking forward to being able to rely on iCloud for more stuff. Pages for iOS5 is lovely, and lets me really think about using my iPad for work pretty much full time, even though I'm working in a Windows XP environment. And with the right leads, presentations with Keynote are so much better off the iPad than with Powerpoint on my £1500 works laptop. Seriously considering buying a tiny projector to make it even easier.

I love the last few weeks of speculation before each rumoured event. Personally, I think I've been right more times than not, but even where people are essentially spot on, the announcements always contain something more, or more exciting, than the speculation.

I'm also hoping that they announce a TV set soon. Not that I'll buy it - it's going to be too expensive at initial launch - but the potential of iDevice plus iTV with iOS inside it, plus a bit of internal memory and an external HDD is fantastic, I think.

Tiptopp
 
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I honestly think after waiting this long I will be truly disappointed in no redesign. In my opinion the iPhone 4 is awkward in shape and the glass design is nothing but a pain. No new iPhone for me if they don't redesign it. Total letdown on apples part.
 
lame, this happens to "innovation" once u become the top leader and don't feel the need to compete. i guess i'll have to look elsewhere if this becomes true ...

i assume all this wait was just for those other US providers to get on board zZz

So what innovation are you looking for exactly? Do you want the phone to double as a transporter and beam you to the enterprise?

You have to be fair. The majority of features the iPhone lacks are more software driven than hardware. IOS just (as OSX) doesn't need the hardware resources to run well. Too many people see specs for Android devices and shout, "oh the iPhone is underpowered" when it's not nor the mac. Android is a very ineffcient OS and mangages task poorly. It wasn't built from the ground up, and like windows, must drive a lot of different hardware.

Better cameras, bigger display... that's tapping out really it's faults. A faster processor is a given, but it might not need the extra ram. Not that it would hurt.... I do think Apple is cheap on the ram front across all their products. Just because the OS doesn't need more to run well, doesn't mean they can't include more and make it run better and be more future proofed to updates.

To my first point, it's more hindered by software. IOS5 fixes some of those things, but still misses out. On another thread someone published a joke list of last minute updates... the sad thing was, they were all things it should have. If there is any gripe to have with Apple, it's there slow deployment of basic features with each IOS update.


Wait 15 months and we get the exact same design? I'd pass on that one. No one cares about CPU upgrades, as evidenced by the fact that when the 3GS came out, a lot of people said "meh".

I don't think Apple can get away with a new model using the same design anymore. If your average person can't explain the differences between the models, then it's pretty much as if it never happened.

While it may sound as a contradiction, I am with you on the design. In the past year, HTC has issued a version of the EVO on 3 networks under different names. The form factors and look are tweaked (EVO, Thunderbolt, HTC Inspire) but each one stands out enough that someone can tell them apart. Next year, when they begin to go through a refresh cycle, I bet they get a refreshed deisgn.... because most companies realize peolpe like something "new" and different.

There is that coolness/newness factor. The 3GS was meh, because no one could look and say, "ooooh, ahh, they got the NEW iPhone." It was, "so it that the new or the old one? They look the same." The iPhone 4 had that eye catching sexiness about that made people stop and check it out. It also made people who still had a while to go ebfore an upgrade have to have it right now. If the new phone doesn't have a fresh feel, and only minor changes, where is the incentive to the estimated 48 million iPhone 4 owners to upgrade? That just wouldn't be smart.
 
Ding Ding Ding Winner.....Apple has to adopt the cell carriers model. A "New" phone every 2 years not every year. You have to be able to go the full 2 years. These Free or low cost upgrades that have been provided will not continue to work....so say hello to the iPhone 4S!

What about those of us who are on 1-year contracts, like me?

Not everyone is caught in horrific 2-year agreements.
 
While many have been holding out for a significantly redesigned iPhone 5 offering a thinner, tapered profile as shown in third-party cases supposedly based on leaked design documents, essentially no evidence for such a model has surfaced in the form of parts leaks or other details.

Finally. Some good news. A nice tech refresh without a return to the ergonomic disaster of a curved back a la iPhone 3G.
 
If Apples pulls this nonsense, they can smoke me. I love Apple, but not enough to get owned like that.

16 months and you're gonna give me a slight SPEED BOOST? LOL.
 
There is nothing wrong with wanting a redesign. In fact, sales wise, it would actually benefit to have a new design to distinguish it from the iphone 4. Most people would just buy the cheaper iPhone 4 if it looks exactly the same


Aside from the fanboys and the "gotta have the newest stuff" crowd I think most people would not upgrade simply because of a processor update.

I have never owned a smartphone and recently moved back home to the US, so have just been biding my time until I can figure out what the new iphone is going to be. To be honest I'm on a budget, and will definitely go for the iphone 4 or whatever ends up being cheaper if this news turns out to be true.
 
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