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But the worry is as we've seen, Apple seems to be moving to a 5 year time limit on OS support for all its devices. After that you'll get a couple of security updates, maybe. A 4K Apple TV works perfectly fine now, but in 5 years? And what if they stop OS updates then and stop there own app support, so no Apple TV app on your Apple TV, and what if they force other apps to have to update which means they don't work on older OS versions, they do that now even, which stops those working on your OS version too.
All whilst your perfectly happy with your hardware which may still be working perfectly fine.

A lot of what if's and it will be interesting to see which path Apple follows here.
Name one Apple device that has been cutoff from OS support after 5 years. I'll wait.
 
I'm willing to bet money that it's an SSL certificate that's expiring.

And seriously, why would anyone be on these versions? Upgrade to the latest version for your device!
I am running 10.13 on my 09 iMac. This is the latest version. Obviously I have gotten my use out of this beast but it seems like the sunset may be coming.
 
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I am running 10.13 on my 09 iMac. This is the latest version. Obviously I have gotten my use out of this beast but it seems like the sunset may be coming.

Read. The. Article.

MacOS 10.13 is fine, as long as you're updated past 10.13.3. Since point updates never drop hardware support, there's no reason for you not to update to 10.13.6 (if you haven't already).
 
it's just those specific versions. So if you're on iOS 11.1, upgrade to 11.4.1. If you're on iOS 10, you're not affected.

All of the version ranges listed, are below the maximum version for that major release. It's only those SPECIFIC versions that are going to be blocked; my guess is because a certificate in them is expiring.
 
The purge is coming.
Nope. Not until they make iTunes available on post-Mojave machines. So, my Mojave machine will eventually lose access to iCloud. Meh. Tones of other cloud services. So, my Mojave machine will eventually lose access to the App Store. Apple don’t want my money, meh. I’m in the Mojave until iTunes is an easy install on anything newer.

Why they release a new OS every year is a mystery. A couple of new features for 6-months of bugs ? Then you just get the latest one stable and they release the next bag of bugs. A ridiculous cycle which I jumped off of at Mojave. Which, by the by, still has occasional kernel panics.

iTUNES iTUNES iTUNES !
 
I think you're wrong. I think people on those versions and below will be affected.
THe official is those specific ranges entirely.

Theres a security issue with those specific ranges so they are being cut off.

The users can update or not.

Notice all of them are early ranges of those specific version of OS on iOS and other OS's.

They would not do a flat service cut off unless there was severe vulnerabilities able to affect other services.

Earlier versions are not being cut off as the same issues are not present.

While not everything is visible HT213593 was released to cover this alert you will be seeing.
 
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I have an ipad mini 2 and it is basically a music player for me now... Is there something I could do to make it more functional? Can I jailbreak it or something to free it up? Nothing really works on it I can't get new apps from the store and most apps aren't compatible... I get that it's an old device, but wondered if I can extend its useful life somehow. Thanks.
 
according to DemandSage, an analytics platform, there are 1.5 billion active iPhone users in the world.
Apple claims that less than 8% are using lower than iOS 14, so thats... only about 120 million users.
Yes but how many are (for whatever reason) still running these very specific versions of software released between late 2017 and early 2018, all of which have the ability to update to a newer version?
 
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I have a 5G iPod Touch with iOS 9 and still rock Apple Music there flawlessly. Surely I don't have all the features I have on my iPhone, but I like it for casual listening to music within the house without being connected to anything else, just music and that's it. Does this mean I will lose Apple Music there then? Bad news.
iOS 9 is not impacted. Read the article, it is only specific releases of iOS 11 that are impacted.
 
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Are you serious? Off the top of my head iPhone 6 and 6S. And any devices predating them.
Well the 6 was released in September 2014 and was still receiving software updated as of January 2023, so that's over 8 years. The 6S was released in September 2015 and last received a software update a little over a week ago, so that's over 7 years. Care to try again?
 
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I think a lot of this is down to Neural Engine and the Secure Enclave. My bet is that APPL is going to be leaning in hard to machine learning and the capabilities of the Neural Engine and security features using the secure enclave. I could see them being required for various functions in Notes, Home, Facetime, Photos, etc. I have a MacBook Pro 11,9 running MacOS 13.3 using Open Core Legacy Patcher which has neither a secure enclave or Neural Engine. I see functions like Memories in Photos that simply do not work because the processor they would run on does not exist.

Apple has been investing a significant percentage of their transistor budget on A and M class chips into Neural Engine and I'm thinking they have reached a critical mass where they can switch on next gen uses for NE in a big way. Hopefully including better Siri.
 
The core issue, Apple closely tied to the hardware in the OS. To maximize the system, the software needs the new hardware. Unlike generic software, Linux as an example. Loosely tied to the hardware. See this in software that needs to be written for the M2 to fully function. The user advantage, Apple systems do amazing things. The user downside, hardware updates more often. Not planned obsolescence. A technology fact if we the users want the new features. The worst thing Apple could do, make a feature look bad by implementing on incompatible hardware.
 
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I just bought a 2017 iMac to replace my 2011 iMac, which was stuck on High Sierra, because I can’t wait anymore for Apple to get rational with desktop Macs. Looks like I moved out of 10.13 just before the cutoff.

And boy is Monterey a pile of bugs. New and old. Apple continue their downward spiral in reliability and unwillingness to finish development of anything before releasing it…
 
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Because it may work for them or various other reasons.
Poverty and knowing I can’t buy another machine in a couple years if the one I do buy is a mistake. And I did just finally blow thousands moving off a platform that was actively being pushed off usability by Apple and third-party developers. It’s not just the computer; it’s also the devices abandoned by other companies because they want to stop supporting stuff that still works fine as long as the drivers get updated (Wacom, T.C. Electronic, Native Instruments, Roland, M-Audio, and on and on, etc).
 
Maybe this is to get rid of jail broke iPhones or people who refuse to update to latest iOS version. I did a whole year on iOS 14 until iOS 16 came out. :rolleyes:
 
I do all with my Mbpro2013, never updated, MacOs 10.9 Mavericks ...how I do that? Magic!
Edit: I also have an ipad2. Some iCloud sync is still alive (pages docs, iphoto...).
 
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Poverty and knowing I can’t buy another machine in a couple years if the one I do buy is a mistake. And I did just finally blow thousands moving off a platform that was actively being pushed off usability by Apple and third-party developers. It’s not just the computer; it’s also the devices abandoned by other companies because they want to stop supporting stuff that still works fine as long as the drivers get updated (Wacom, T.C. Electronic, Native Instruments, Roland, M-Audio, and on and on, etc).
Those machines are way over a couple years. Today’s technology, 5 year replacement seems to be the focus after purchase. The worst that could happen, a few months of use lost.
 
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Ok for iOS and all, but macOS 10?? wasn't it like 3 years ago?
Actually, version 10.13 was the same year as iOS 11, I know macOS version number system can be confusing, and that’s why they changed it recently, but for the longest time, macOS versions were all considered 10. One year the version would be 10.13, and the next years major release would be 10.14.
 
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