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My previous company (hospital) used MacBooks. Over 70% had keyboard problems within the first year. Company ended up advising use to use them docked when possible.

Apple acknowledged they were a problem, and decided to get rid them. I applaud them for that.

This has nothing, whatsoever, to do with agency, and I don't know why you keep bringing it up. Consumers are not rational actors, never have been, and never will be and are influenced by many outside factors. You learn that in the your second year of economics.

I'm not disputing Apple had a problem with butterfly keyboards. (they did offer to fix them, after all). What I'm saying is I (and others here) did not.

If I did, and if Apple wouldn't fix it free, I'd drop Apple stat.
 
Yes that's a great soundbite for the investor call but it proves that beyond iPhone Apple has got Macs that are still too expensive to make a dent in the PC market, a shrinking iPad business and ski goggles that nobody wanted.
I’ll take it all. It’s too bad apple isn’t falling apart and those who predicted apple will fail were wrong. Even as apple hits 4T people know better than apple. :rolleyes:
 
I'm not disputing Apple had a problem with butterfly keyboards. (they did offer to fix them, after all). What I'm saying is I (and others here) did not.

If I did, and if Apple wouldn't fix it free, I'd drop Apple stat.
They offered a fix after several class action lawsuits and the judge demanded them to do so. It took several years and lawsuits for them to admit.

 
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And still cant correct a mistyped dial number!!! Iphones are the dumbest phones in the market since 5 years ago... and I keep buying them...
 
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Even the iPhone is getting way behind in what the competition is offering. Hard- and software are nowhere on parity with the kinds of Samsung, oppo, xiaomi, etc. And when considering the Google pixel pro… AI offerings from Apple are for kindergarten.
You can buy all of the android offerings. I personally, my family, friends etc are staying with apple.

Nothing like apple hitting higher valuation to see some of the interesting reactions.
 
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Exactly my point. Apple is about the marriage of software and hardware. At present the software is letting the hardware down (one only needs to look to the Mac and iPad for evidence of this). If you're new to the brand it's gotta be amazing. Those of us that have been with Apple since the late 90s see the slow but steady decline.

I'm certainly not new to the brand. 1986 is when I bought a used Mac, and was hooked. I loved it.

Funny thing is, I find the overall experience of owning Apple products today even more amazing than it was in those early days. I can do things now that I couldn't even imagine doing back in the day.

Computing power is exponentially greater, and we have devices today that didn't exist back then. The iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch being but four examples. The ability to have it all work together so well is a big part of what Apple markets and mostly delivers.

That said, I think it's important to acknowledge that the demands placed on hardware and software today are orders of magnitude greater than in the early days. Software is much more complex and has to be much more capable than it was, while being user friendly. Hardware is constantly changing, and the software has to keep up. Making it work well as a system is quite a feat for any company.

As such, I don't expect perfection. Sure, there are those things that Apple does that irritate me, but that's life, isn't it? I'm actually amazed that the whole thing works as well as it does. My personal experience is that the hardware and software both work well, individually and together as system.

As for the valuation, sure, stock buybacks have helped, but imho the real basis of Apple's growth is having a couple of billion mostly happy customers that continue to buy and upgrade their Apple stuff; and more people that like what they're hearing and seeing, and decide to try Apple stuff.
 
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I'd challenge that assertion. I doubt you'd switch even if the butterfly keyboards gave you grief, it didn't happen despite it being a widespread issue. And I like that as a shareholder. It says Apple can weather bad publicity and bad products with aplomb. You wouldn't drop them in an instant because you're locked into the ecosystem and Apple is arguably the king of this strategy. Where would you go? Nowhere. Don't sit there and tell me you'd be able to move your entire digital life out of the Apple ecosystem we both know that's a lie.

2 billion people seems to be bandied about by folks here, let's not forget the saying "eat dung, billions of flies can't be wrong," because it applies here. It is a certainty there are over 2 billion people out there that have no inner monologue and zero agency - the type that can't visualize a rotating, red Apple in their mind. These are the kind of customers Apple wants because no matter what happens they stick with the company. It's not a pretty picture but it's realistic and I want this as a shareholder. There is no option other than Apple once people buy into the ecosystem and spend money on apps and accessories. There's the social pressure to remain. You couldn't leave if you wanted to (you don't, you won't) because you are not in charge, Apple sets the pace, as they should, for your digital life. And I'm absolutely delighted as a shareholder. Go ahead and make your toothless appeals while my stock goes up
Pretty interesting you believe people buy apple because it’s the best if the worst. Of course as a shareholder that shouldn’t bother you. You just want people to buy, as do I.

As for lock in. Yes I’m locked in. I’m locked in because I don’t want android (although various flagships have interesting hardware) and the competition in the smartphone market although in the hundreds runs a variation of an operating system I don’t want to use.
 
You can buy all of the android offerings. I personally, my family, friends etc are staying with apple.

Nothing like apple hitting higher valuation to see some of the interesting reactions.
I feel sorry for you, your family, friends etc. They miss out on so many innovations and pay too much for yesterday’s tech.

But hey… some like antiques and some like modern 😊
 
How come there comes so little out of Apple? Minor incremental upgrades at best. Siri is still the joke it has been for many years. Three year cycle hardware upgrades and if you count in the processor swap maybe even less.

Wonder how many Google or Samsung spent on R&D. Because innovation seems at a much higher rate over there.
The keyword is “seems”. I’m sure one can find the r&d number if enough financials are reviewed.
 
And yet Apple still way overcharges, SSD and RAM upgrades being the largest rip-offs I've ever seen, and then there's the pathetic iCloud storage.

Yet people still defend them, the only reason I see why is that they have shares in the company, because no rational person would defend this.
 
Cheap display cables in increasingly expensive computers?

As someone pointed out out: we’re in the Timmy era. Grab as much as you can by giving as less as possible. Didn’t Timmy get payed in shares instead of salary?

Isn’t a stock buyback not a fraudulent action when you know it goes up when buying back?
 
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