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I'd love for some of the old guard to be shown the door. I do not believe their position is sustainable within their current limitations and it will result in Apple being an also-ran with AI like they were with Siri (which still sucks btw, I had to turn it back off. The betas seem to disappoint in imaginative new ways)
FYI...The new smarter Siri is not here yet so there are no real improvements to speak of. She got a facelift but her/his brain is still being worked on. I believe the real new Siri will come with iOS 19.
 
Apple is about to hit $4T... do you really think the stock price needs protecting lol? Anyone in here who has Apple stock has likely made thousands already--why would they be trying to protect a stock price at an all time high. Any dips are probably welcome as holders will buy more shares lol. If anything, holders would be doing the opposite so they could get more shares. Sellers would be protecting the price--and noone with half a brain is selling their Apple stock.
 
There might be a slight increase in bugginess, but if you factor in the MASSIVE amount of new capabilities, the ratio is tiny! Just compare an iPhone or Mac of 15 years ago to see this.

Apple has done a stellar job at maintaining a clean, consistent and trustworthy user experience for both hardware and software. Not perfect, but the latest versions are outstanding in quality.

What am I missing?

The push towards paid services. iCloud storage nag messages, free trials, apps with buttons and tabs that can't be removed and do nothing but push you towards a subscription (thinking music and news).

If I could say "no" and never see a mention of iCloud again for the life of my device (unless I intentionally go find it), I'd feel a tiny bit better. Take music, though, I can't completely strip any and all Apple Music bits out and sync to my Mac. I can sync, but those annoying features are still there pushing for me to give them more money. Pulling me into a subscription screen if my thumb hits the wrong part of the screen.

I really, really, dislike the push to be in services. Hardware and software, one and done.
 
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Cheap display cables in increasingly expensive computers?

Nobody said Apple was perfect. Name a company that’s never had any flawed products. They don’t make that computer anymore anyway. Also, the cables available today are far better and more durable than they were in 2016.
 
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Which is it: lack of competition or thriving competition? loyal customers or clueless customers?

The company delivers record revenues quarter over quarter driven by product and services growth to new and existing customers, operates at billions of units scale, maintains enviable CSAT while doing so and receives good analyst ratings as a result of the above.

It’s hard to follow the logic for the over the top cynicism regarding Apple and the extraordinarily disparaging view of Apple customers in general.
Apple bans competition out with its walled garden ecosystem. Luckily the EU is looking at it and will probably force Apple to play nice with others.

If so, you can use your Samsung or Google device experiencing the same integration as with your Apple devices.

Consumers will benefit and Apple has to compete with its own offerings 😃
 
FYI...The new smarter Siri is not here yet so there are no real improvements to speak of. She got a facelift but her/his brain is still being worked on. I believe the real new Siri will come with iOS 19.
Seeing is believing. They also say the iPhone 17 will be amazing. To make my point… the underwhelming offerings from Apple these last decade are always made up with amazing things in the pipeline and next years products will be awesome. Every year it didn’t happen 🤪
 
There might be a slight increase in bugginess, but if you factor in the MASSIVE amount of new capabilities, the ratio is tiny! Just compare an iPhone or Mac of 15 years ago to see this.

Apple has done a stellar job at maintaining a clean, consistent and trustworthy user experience for both hardware and software. Not perfect, but the latest versions are outstanding in quality.

What am I missing?
I'm pretty appalled at home long this stay broken on my Macs, or software that gets neglected for a decade. Maybe great releases like Tiger spoiled me, but Apple breaking bootable cloning and shrugging because only they can fix it, I don't see that as a tiny ratio. And things they are adding are largely cosmetic, like widgets and notification center. Their hardware is first class I just wish they had as much focus on a solid user experience in software, rather than the current thinking which is "we need X new features per release." A solid bug fix release a la snow leopard is long overdue. The way they monkey around with things and just flat out break them, like the whole mdnsresponder issue, is just not giving me faith in their ability to match the hardware quality with equally capable software. Or at worst, they copy competitors (spaces, the windows-style window arranging). There's a reason I use a Mac but they love to pour cold water on all that (mail plugins anyone?)
 
Nobody said Apple was perfect. Name a company that’s never had any flawed products. They don’t make that computer anymore anyway. Also, the cables available today are far better and more durable than they were in 2016.
Every company has its defects. The ones admitting and providing you a solution so you don’t have to suffer from their mistakes are the great ones.

Apple never admits and only solves the problems of faulty design or hardware when they are pushed by a judge.
 
Every company has its defects. The ones admitting and providing you a solution so you don’t have to suffer from their mistakes are the great ones.

Apple never admits and only solves the problems of faulty design or hardware when they are pushed by a judge.
Dude, they open repair extension programs all the time voluntarily. Sometimes they don’t on things they should but again they aren’t perfect. I’d argue that Apple leads the industry by far when it comes to that.
 
This doesn’t sound like a company that’s on the vine dying. In spite of those prescient people posting in this thread.

Indeed.

And as evidenced by Apple's 2 Billion active and repeat customers who love Apple products and continue to purchase them. Year after year after year. That speaks volumes.

I have zero issues with my iPhone, iPads, Macs, HomePods, and Watch. They just work. As expected.
 
Dude, they open repair extension programs all the time voluntarily. Sometimes they don’t on things they should but again they aren’t perfect. I’d argue that Apple leads the industry by far when it comes to that.
Lol, not for the butterfly keyboard or faulty laptop screens. Maybe for cheap quick repairable things.

My latest extended keyboard from Apple folded up like a banana over time. It wobbled on my desk while typing. Brand new and they wouldn’t let me return it. After I showed them many other people had the same problem and Apple quietly didn’t sell them anymore I got a new one when that came available. It was a well known issue and they wouldn’t admit at first. Like all the bend gates with iPad and iPhone.
 
Indeed.

And as evidenced by Apple's 2 Billion active and repeat customers who love Apple products and continued to purchase them. Year after year after year. That speaks volumes.

I have zero issues with my iPhone, iPads, Macs, HomePods, and Watch. They just work. As expected.
Lol, how many of those devices are very old of those “2 billion” users? How many of them are happy and satisfied?

When a company starts reporting about a growing userbase but won’t go into detail of how much of each device are actually sold as they did before. You know they’re hiding something. Of course their user base is growing. But when Samsung would report the same, their user base would diminish apples 🤭
 
Lol, not for the butterfly keyboard or faulty laptop screens. Maybe for cheap quick repairable things.

My latest extended keyboard from Apple folded up like a banana over time. It wobbled on my desk while typing. Brand new and they wouldn’t let me return it. After I showed them many other people had the same problem and Apple quietly didn’t sell them anymore I got a new one when that came available. It was a well known issue and they wouldn’t admit at first. Like all the bend gates with iPad and iPhone.
For the record, I had several butterfly keyboards and no issue with a single one ever. Personally I think Apple external keyboards are trash so that’s on you. There was no bend gate. That’s like saying guns kill people. People who treat their phones like trash bent them.
 
This doesn’t sound like a company that’s on the vine dying. In spite of those prescient people posting in this thread.

That is one guys opinion. Also nobody said they were dying, they have been too big to 'die' for years, that's probably part of the problem. Far too comfortable.

Wouldn't mind some of whatever Mr Ives has been smoking on if he thinks that anything in the area of AI is currently indicating a golden age of growth for Apple. Although that could change obviously.
 
Lol, how many of those devices are very old of those “2 billion” users? How many of them are happy and satisfied?

When a company starts reporting about a growing userbase but won’t go into detail of how much of each device are actually sold as they did before. You know they’re hiding something. Of course their user base is growing. But when Samsung would report the same, their user base would diminish apples 🤭

I have no idea. But since they are active and repeat customers who continue to purchase Apple products year after year after year, I would guess they are happy and satisfied.

Of course some will no doubt say the majority are unhappy and unsatisfied, and not being able to do anything about it, but still continue to purchase Apple products year after year after year, anyway.
 
That is one guys opinion. Also nobody said they were dying, they have been too big to 'die' for years.

Wouldn't mind some of whatever Mr Ives has been smoking on if he thinks that anything in the area of AI is currently indicating a golden age of growth for Apple. Although that could change obviously.
People will get interested in ai when it makes their daily usage a lot more efficient. Like a real good Siri and automating things that would otherwise cost you lots of effort.

Not the genmoij or image playgrounds. That something you should expect coming out of Disney.
 
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I have no idea. But since they are active and repeat customers who continue to purchase Apple products year after year after year, I would guess they are happy and satisfied.

Of course some will no doubt say the majority are unhappy and unsatisfied, and not being able to do anything about it, but still continue to purchase Apple products year after year after

I have no idea. But since they are active and repeat customers who continue to purchase Apple products year after year after year, I would guess they are happy and satisfied.

Of course some will no doubt say the majority are unhappy and unsatisfied, and not being able to do anything about it, but still continue to purchase Apple products year after year after year, anyway.
Consumer satisfaction reports tell a different story. It’s going down for Apple. I’m am one of them.
 
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