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I wonder what Samsung is going to do with all the phones + batteries now. I hardly believe they'll just scrap them and fill some landfill somewhere.

perhaps they'll do some sort of fix and then fire sale
 
I wonder what Samsung is going to do with all the phones + batteries now. I hardly believe they'll just scrap them and fill some landfill somewhere.

perhaps they'll do some sort of fix and then fire sale

I think they will do a new line to replace it.

Here's my problem. Why is it that Apple's stocks are rising just because of Samsung's issues? Why didn't the other competitors stock rise as well?

Something's not right.
 
I wonder what Samsung is going to do with all the phones + batteries now. I hardly believe they'll just scrap them and fill some landfill somewhere.

perhaps they'll do some sort of fix and then fire sale
The normal process is to recondition and put them into the repair/replacement chain, but since the phone is pulled from the market, they have no choice but to destroy them.
I'm sure they will send them off for recycling as they'll never be able to sell them.
 
I wonder what Samsung is going to do with all the phones + batteries now. I hardly believe they'll just scrap them and fill some landfill somewhere.

perhaps they'll do some sort of fix and then fire sale

It's not worth the liability at this point. It's cheaper to destroy everything than risk any more problems.
 
I think they will do a new line to replace it.

Here's my problem. Why is it that Apple's stocks are rising just because of Samsung's issues? Why didn't the other competitors stock rise as well?

Something's not right.
Because the market sees Apple and Samsung as the defacto standards of the smartphone industry. And rightly so, as they essentially represent the lion's share of the industry's most talked about products.

It is also because there is only one other competing new product at the top of the smart phone market right now. Even Samsung admits through their marketing and announcements that they are targeting the Apple products... why wouldn't the financial markets reward Apple when Samsung stumbles?
 
I wonder what Samsung is going to do with all the phones + batteries now. I hardly believe they'll just scrap them and fill some landfill somewhere.

perhaps they'll do some sort of fix and then fire sale

It's a complete loss! The phones would just be destroyed.
That's why if I had a replacement Note 7 coming to me in the mail today I would keep it as a collectors item. The phone would be worth tons of money in 20 to 30 years if unopened and never powered up. Today it would be near impossible to find a Note 7 here in the United States by any carrier. Believe it or not a sealed Note 7 is worth more right now than retail cost.
 
I think Huawei is going to make major in-roads outside of China.

As far as Samsung, I would discontinue the entire Note brand name.
From a marketing standpoint, the next 'Note', should be called something completely different.

I doubt Apple would change the iPhone name because of a similar issue. The Note lineup is rather mature... they just have to launch a Note 8 with a good marketing campaign, perhaps making humor from their own mistakes.
 
I actually think this Note 7 fiasco will provide a good opportunity for companies like LG and Huawei to gain some traction in the market. As of right now carriers are allowing exchanges for different devices and with most Android users being loyal to the OS and Apple not having proper stock of the 7/7 Plus, it could be a boon for those companies. It remains to be seen if this will effect the overall Galaxy brand going forward.

LG is still stinging from their G4 boot loop fiasco - after the way LG blew off customers and still refuses to replace/repair phones out of warranty many have said they will never buy an LG phone again.
 
You should be questioning the premise of the Apple shares going up alone and not the competitors due to Samsung's situation.

I am. I would suggest there are other reasons besides the Note 7 fiasco behind the Apple share climb.

Why does this thread's title mention just Apple shares. Shouldn't the other competitors's shares rise as well?

Yep, this pretty much refutes the original premise.
 
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Whoa! CNBC says investors are jumping ship, $19 Billion (yup, that's with a B) loss to Samsung stock this morning, and, Apple has ordered an additional 12 Million iPhone 7 phones in anticipation of additional sales.

I think the issue for Samsung is not the obvious loss of Note 7 sales but how it affects their Galaxy brand and sales as a whole (unfortunately for them the full name of the phone is the Samsung Galaxy Note 7). I think this will have a greater impact on potential sales gains to Apple than anything else.
 
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The line at Samsung's Recall Depot as fandroids reluctantly turn in their Note7s.

(Sort of resembles an iPhone launch in reverse, doesn't it)?...
 
Great time to buy Samsung shares - just after the shock.

They will leave it a couple of years, ditch the "Note" name and release a similar product, without the defects.

Trouble for Apple is it's still playing catch-up with regard to innovation compared with, say, Samsung. Decreasing market share and a poor 2016 phone line-up.
 
Compared to what, though, new Google phone users? Some other previous failed phone's users?
Like I stated.

There's no real definitive answer to 100% compare. But trying to compare total sales of iPhones which is on almost every carrier in the world to Pixel sales with maximum limited carrier availability wouldn't be a valid litmus.


You'd have to start by comparing sales on whatever carriers pixel is available through.
 
I wonder what the root cause of this is. It's not like lithium-ion batteries are new technology. Catastrophic failures of battery containment are pretty unusual. Even the old Powerbook batteries just swelled up. There doesn't seem to be any protrusions in the iFixit teardown, although they did note the battery area was ultra-fortified.

Maybe there's some kind of interference with the wireless charging circuit?

Maybe they had thermal problems due to the waterproofing?

Maybe making the battery compartment ultra-strong was a mistake, because if the battery did swell there was nowhere for it to go?

I hope someone eventually does a post-mortem on this.
Lithium Ion batteries are surprisingly complex, and are inherently prone to rapid high-impulse discharge. That is what makes them valuable in portable electronics where power on demand and rapid recharging are important and compact energy storage is essential.

These batteries are essentially a small ecosystem within your device, with a delicate balance of stability and discharge being managed by a complex processor. If there is a flaw in that ecosystem, any number of issues can crop up, with rapid uncontrolled discharge being a very dangerous one due to the heat involved and the possibility of a "runaway" discharge when parts start to heat up, melt, and lose regulation of the chemical process.

Swelling batteries are a sign of one or two different issues. A rapid discharge can point to a number of other causes, but unrelated (generally) to the causes of a swollen battery. And you are right that a catastrophic failure like this is indeed unusual, specifically since it can be so dangerous and is therefore a top engineering design focus.
 
Tim Cook and Co. right now

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Sorry. Why would 'Tim Cook and Co' be raising a glass of champagne with an inviting look of congratulatory respect? To whom? Samsung? "Congratulations on everything going really badly for you" - That's fairly nasty. Or maybe "look at us, the elite Apple team capitalising on the unfortunate demise of others"?

God, people are so sanctimonious.
 
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I wonder what Samsung is going to do with all the phones + batteries now. I hardly believe they'll just scrap them and fill some landfill somewhere.

perhaps they'll do some sort of fix and then fire sale

I don't think a fire sale on these phones would go over well...
 
Like I stated.

There's no real definitive answer to 100% compare. But trying to compare total sales of iPhones which is on almost every carrier in the world to Pixel sales with maximum limited carrier availability wouldn't be a valid litmus.


You'd have to start by comparing sales on whatever carriers pixel is available through.

I agree that it would be difficult to prove a benefit for the Pixel at the expense of a supposedly unlucky iPhone 7. I would just like to point out that in many countries phones are sold independently from carriers. Here in AU for example you can get them through a carrier (and get the benefit of a subsidy in exchange for a two-year contract) or just buy them in a shop, like an Apple Store, at full price.
 
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