Apple Shares New 'Simple as That' Ad in 'Privacy on iPhone' Series

[DoctorTech]

Apple keep banging the privacy drum but it's the third party apps that you have to worry about and Apple can't 100% control what's going on in that regard.

I agree with you. That is one of the reasons I like to use Apple's own apps as much as possible instead of a 3rd party app for things like reminders, maps, email, etc. The 3rd party app may have a couple extra features than Apple's native app but it also opens the door for data collection. I also regularly remove seldom used apps from my phone and regularly review the permissions I have granted to each app. I only allow apps to access location, photos, contacts, etc. where there is a clear and obvious reason why a given app needs that type of access.

 

[hunter_a]

Where is the promised privacy option against Facebook spying?

 

[DoctorTech]

...Creating another unique identifier for each person is not the solution; the solution is for regulations to crush companies who purposely leak our data for their financial benefit.

I would add to that, crush companies that collect sensitive information then fail to adequately protect it. Equifax has compiled terabytes of sensitive data on virtually everyone in the United States. In their 2017 data breach, the personal data of 147,000,000 people was exposed. Equifax agreed to a settlement with the FTC for $425 million (just $2.89 per person who's personal information they allowed to be stolen).

I have been a victim of identity theft before and it is a royal pain to get everything straightened out afterward. Proving the identity theft was the result of a particular data breach (i.e. Equifax, Target, WhatsApp, DoorDash, MoviePass etc.) is virtually impossible so recovering damages from the company that allowed your data to be stolen is also virtually impossible. I want to see criminal prosecutions for executives of companies like Equifax who allow this to happen. I never signed up for their "service" yet they make money from accumulating and selling my personal information. If you are going to collect my data without my explicit, informed consent (I don't have the option to "opt out" when taking out a loan or getting a credit card) I at least want my data protected and someone to go to prison if they forget to secure their server, use weak passwords or hire unscrupulous employees. If the Sarbanes-Oxley legislation taught us anything, it is that fines and settlements won't change corporate behavior. If you want a company to take something serious, its executives need to know they can be put in prison for 10+ years for being careless.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

Where is the promised privacy option against Facebook spying?

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[LeeW]

“Your heart rate after a run”? Who’s worried about that leaking?

Sorry Mr x but having seen the logs obtained from your smartwatch by a 3rd party that you allowed to access the data by "not turning off that option" and who then shared that data with us (read the small print), we are unable to insure you for $xx per month, it will need to be $xxx. We have shared this information with other insurers also so they will say the same (read the small print). Sucks to be you if you get ill now.

Yeah, you really don't want that info as well as any other getting into the wrong hands.

There are things I don't like about Apple, but their position on data sharing is not one of them. It's not perfect but I would rather carry an iPhone as I go about my daily business than voluntarily allow a stalker to follow me, looking at you Android.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

As long as iOS is a closed source system 3rd party audit is not possible. Meaning you can not really trust iOS security and privacy claim. That's why we trust AES algorithm for encryption because its a publicly known algorithm and has been check, re-check, studied and tested by a lot of different people.

For that reason I trust my Android phone than an iOS phone

Thanks for this!
I needed a good chuckle this morning.

You trust a company that makes better than 90% of its revenue off data collection over one that makes 0% of its revenue off data collection?
Wow! I think you are absolutely the “holy grail” for companies searching for dupes that don’t mind being used for profit.

 

[Bandaman]

Thanks for this!
I needed a good chuckle this morning.

You trust a company that makes better than 90% of its revenue off data collection over one that makes 0% of its revenue off data collection?
Wow! I think you are absolutely the “holy grail” for companies searching for dupes that don’t mind being used for profit.

Investigating Apps interactions with Facebook on Android | PI

Privacy International(PI) has been investigating the proliferation of data tracking, brokerage and exchange between many tech companies, both as their primary business as well as value added services. PI's analysis consisted of capturing and decrypting data in transit between our own device...

privacyinternational.org

 

[macfacts]

When you first turn on an iPhone, it asks for your apple id, so apple can track you. Android phones don't require logging in.

 

[Chocolatemilty]

Last year my best homegirl switched from Android and iPhone and used me as her primary reference into iOS and how secure it would be since she was further divesting from Google. The best thing I could tell her about Apple’s stance on privacy is that they’re leaning heavy into their privacy marketing angle, so that gave reason to believe it would be company suicide if they’re doing nefarious things behind the curtain. The revolt would be staggering, and I believe more in their fear of that revolt more so than believing Apple’s some altruistic being. They’re still a company after that green, after all. The fear of losing everything helps keep them in check on all things privacy for their devices and for that, I feel secure using them.

 

[Bandaman]

When you first turn on an iPhone, it asks for your apple id, so apple can track you. Android phones don't require logging in.

This is an incredibly silly argument. Not only that, you can use an iPhone without logging in, you just can’t use many of the features, which is exactly the same as Android. If you want to download apps, you must sign in to an account. Why on earth you wouldn’t want to log in to either phone is beyond me.

 

[I7guy]

When you first turn on an iPhone, it asks for your apple id, so apple can track you. Android phones don't require logging in.

Do you have an iphone, such that you know the in's and out's of an apple id? Or are you just "guessing" this is the case?

 

[Konrad9]

So hilarious! Post some evidence as to what extent any of Apple’s China decisions impact privacy.

Tim Cook to serve as chairman at Chinese business school amid Hong Kong outcry

Apple has faced bipartisan criticism

www.theverge.com

Outwardly, Apple is the king of privacy.

It is only a matter of time until we learn the ways in which that is untrue.

 

[LeeW]

You trust a company that makes better than 90% of its revenue off data collection over one that makes 0% of its revenue off data collection?

Whilst Apple says it will not share identifiable information with others, they do mine data and they make revenue from that data collection. It is the way they do it that differs from Android.

 

[I7guy]

I think with all that Apple has done and been exposed on, its more then enough evidence to prove you are right today, not tomorrow...

It’s been like it for years, the corporations like Apple just hid it from you but have now been exposed, face it you live in a world where your data is NOT private fact, no matter which device or platform you use. You either live with that, ignoring any crap Apple tells you, or you stop using the internet and any connected electronic device and services for ever.

It’s the direct result of a capitalist world, something America does very well I might add, if someone can sell it they will if someone buys it.. and it does not matter what it is being traded so long as people can make money from it, that’s all that matters, consciences are an option rarely used these days in business.

What's been hidden and what's been exposed? In order to have a certain level of user experience, Apple has collect some data. But for those who may be into conspiracy theories and don't want this data collected and believe it will be misused, there is always android.
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Whilst Apple says it will not share identifiable information with others, they do mine data and they make revenue from that data collection. It is the way they do it that differs from Android.

What data is mined that they make revenue from? Please be specific.

 

[macfacts]

Do you have an iphone, such that you know the in's and out's of an apple id? Or are you just "guessing" this is the case?

I had to give it away because of the limitations like call history only showing one month's of calls.

 

[I7guy]

I had to give it away because of the limitations like call history only showing one month's of calls.

I'm not against Apple making my experience with the ecosystem a top notch experience. That means I'm ok with them data mining some of my information. If I didn't want that, I would buy an android phone and use it without a google sign-in. But who actually in real life does that?

The Apple ecosystem is massive and change doesn't happen overnight and some things can't be done at the snap of the fingers. But it's interesting to see how things are spun.

I'm actually happy that Apple trims call history on a rolling months' basis and have other "limitations" that work in my favor. Less things to configure and do in my busy life. Thanks, Apple.

 

[falainber]

Do you have an iphone, such that you know the in's and out's of an apple id? Or are you just "guessing" this is the case?

Are you saying Apple does not ask you about your Apple ID or you agree and you are just curious about the poster's knowledge?
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I'm not against Apple making my experience with the ecosystem a top notch experience. That means I'm ok with them data mining some of my information. If I didn't want that, I would buy an android phone and use it without a google sign-in. But who actually in real life does that?

The Apple ecosystem is massive and change doesn't happen overnight and some things can't be done at the snap of the fingers. But it's interesting to see how things are spun.

I'm actually happy that Apple trims call history on a rolling months' basis and have other "limitations" that work in my favor. Less things to configure and do in my busy life. Thanks, Apple.

Ridiculous. You can always limit yourself if it benefits you. If someone else is limiting you that's rarely is a good thing. What you are saying is that Apple knows better than you what's best for you.

 

[Marekul]

...”the well known fact that Apple handed over all iCloud infrastructure including encryption keys to the Chinese totalitarian regime that kills and tortured dissenters.”
Source:

World Report 2019: Rights Trends in China

President Xi Jinping, born in 1953, has indicated his intent to rule indefinitely after China’s legislature amended the constitution in March 2018 to scrap term limits for the presidency. This move was also emblematic of the increasing repression under Xi’s rule.

www.hrw.org

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maybe you guys should educate yourselves before editing my post. Really I can not say China is a totalitarian dictatorship on this site? You wanna be the next blizzard?
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Here some more

Death sentences and executions in 2014

We are Amnesty International UK. We are ordinary people from across the world standing up for humanity and human rights.

www.amnesty.org.uk

Really i am shocked how you edited my post. It’s like you can’t say the sky is blue.

 

[Marekul]

Whilst Apple says it will not share identifiable information with others, they do mine data and they make revenue from that data collection. It is the way they do it that differs from Android.

The devil is in the details. Data that might not be identifiable information itself can when accumulated over time become identifiable information.
That’s why google thinks it’s worth paying Apple billions every year just to be the embedded into iOS.

 

[Baymowe335]

Tim Cook to serve as chairman at Chinese business school amid Hong Kong outcry

Apple has faced bipartisan criticism

www.theverge.com

Outwardly, Apple is the king of privacy.

It is only a matter of time until we learn the ways in which that is untrue.

This isn’t evidence and means nothing.

 

[Marekul]

This isn’t evidence and means nothing.

The fact that china (a communist dictatorship) owns large parts of iCloud infrastructure compromises whole iCloud security. With a simple region setting all your data can fall in hands of the very wrong people.
also in cooperation with Chinese government Apple implemented social scoring. As reported they implemented it for the whole user base not just China.
You need more?

 

[I7guy]

Are you saying Apple does not ask you about your Apple ID or you agree and you are just curious about the poster's knowledge?

If one isn’t sure, isn’t it always better to ask a question rather than promulgating falsehoods as fact?

Ridiculous. You can always limit yourself if it benefits you. If someone else is limiting you that's rarely is a good thing. What you are saying is that Apple knows better than you what's best for you.

Nobody is forcing one to use an Apple ID. But if you want to use a basic feature of iOS, which is downloading an app you will have to create an Apple ID.

So yes, Apple did their homework and they know better what the majority of Apple users want. If this is not for you, go android.
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The fact that china (a communist dictatorship) owns large parts of iCloud infrastructure compromises whole iCloud security. With a simple region setting all your data can fall in hands of the very wrong people.
also in cooperation with Chinese government Apple implemented social scoring. As reported they implemented it for the whole user base not just China.
You need more?

So you want Apple to pull out of China instead of complying with local requirements? Nonsense. Those in that region could opt for android if they didn’t want this.

 

[Bandaman]

Nobody is forcing one to use an Apple ID. But if you want to use a basic feature of iOS, which is downloading an app you will have to create an Apple ID.

So yes, Apple did their homework and they know better what the majority of Apple users want. If this is not for you, go android.

What are you going on about? You have to do the save exact thing on Android to download an app and other basic features. You have to sign in.

 

[I7guy]

What are you going on about? You have to do the save exact thing on Android to download an app and other basic features. You have to sign in.

Can’t sideload on android without an ID!

 

[sunseeker]

Heart rate after a run.
That's a little understated. Is anyone under the impression that Google, Facebook, and others aren't capable tracking all kinds of <cough> exercise?
Heart rate, location, frequency, duration, exercise partners.

These devices have multiple sensors, including mics, and cameras pointing in both directions.

With many phones, this ability to track such rich information even extends to a jealous friend or family member, no?