Apple Shares New 'Simple as That' Ad in 'Privacy on iPhone' Series

macfacts said:
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Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

When Apple Inc begins hosting Chinese users' iCloud accounts in a new Chinese data center at the end of this month to comply with new laws there, Chinese authorities will have far easier access to text messages, email and other data stored in the cloud.
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Privacy and apple, so hilarious. Take some time to read the small print.
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Read the fine print? Where is Apple disingenuous? Be specific.

Regarding iCloud keys, Apple is doing what blackberry did....complying with local law.
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Khedron said:
Keep up

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Apple Delaying Plans to Limit Third-Party Tracking in Kids Apps

Apple is delaying its plans to limit third-party tracking and ads in apps designed for children, reports The Washington Post. The company's decision comes following an inquiry from The Washington Post about app developers who are unhappy with the changes and what it means for the way free...
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Apple hardware is now a data mining exercise for the approximately 47 different subscriptions that Apple services want to sell you
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How does an app know the age of the person running it? It’s not a matter of age, it’s a matter of full disclosure in the app side to adhere to apples tos. Besides, it’s not Apple , it’s the third party developer.
 
Baymowe335 said:
You aren’t breaking news here...everyone knows this. Better to have no iCloud for Chinese users?

Complying with laws in China doesn’t impact a US user. If you’re a Chinese, you understand their government has a hell of a lot more control over you than just what’s on your iPhone. They will get whatever they want from you.
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Better not to lie that you have "values" when they mean nothing the moment your profit is threatened. At least then you're not also a liar.

If Apple kept quiet they would only be disrespecting their Chinese customers. By lying they're disrespecting all their customers.
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I7guy said:
Read the fine print? Where is Apple disingenuous? Be specific.

Regarding iCloud keys, Apple is doing what blackberry did....complying with local law.
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How does an app know the age of the person running it? It’s not a matter of age, it’s a matter of full disclosure in the app side to adhere to apples tos. Besides, it’s not Apple , it’s the third party developer.
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Pathetic apologist behaviour. "How can you possibly know an app designed and advertised for children might be being used by a child."

None of this is even disputed by Apple. They said they'd limit tracking in children's apps then backed off the moment they realised that would require effort and they care more about talking about privacy than putting the actual work in.
 
Defthand said:
If you want your Digital lifestyle's privacy to be respected, you need comprehensive data rights laws, not promises or assurances from Apple. As we've seen, Big Tech's EULA's contain a lot of fine print and non-specific language.

Btw, this excerpt from Joe Rogan's recent interview with Edward Snowden is educational. You think your anonymity and location is preserved? Think again...

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A quote from that podcast:

“We were constructing a system of turnkey tyranny. And even if you trust that to Obama there’s no telling who’s hand is going to be on that key next. And all they have to do is turn it. And there’s nothing we can do to stop it. The only thing that’s restraining these programs is policy moreso than law. And the president at any time can sign a napkin and those policies change.”
~Edward Snowden
 
Baymowe335 said:
You aren’t breaking news here...everyone knows this. Better to have no iCloud for Chinese users?

Complying with laws in China doesn’t impact a US user. If you’re a Chinese, you understand their government has a hell of a lot more control over you than just what’s on your iPhone. They will get whatever they want from you.
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So you acknowledge apple will bend over backwards if the law forces them to. You should do some reading about lavabit. It was a web mail service that Edward Snowden used before, and the us gov tried to use the law to attempt to force lavabit to hand over Edward Snowdens emails. So yeah, no privacy in USA.
 
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Pathetic apologist behaviour. "How can you possibly know an app designed and advertised for children might be being used by a child."
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Guess you skipped the part of the post that started with “how” and just decided to write this poor excuse of a response anyway.

None of this is even disputed by Apple. They said they'd limit tracking in children's apps then backed off the moment they realised that would require effort and they care more about talking about privacy than putting the actual work in.
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This is not Apple, this is the third party developer who must adhere to apples tos. I don’t care if all apps track. If they say they do, they adhere to the tos. What matters is apples stance on privacy, and they get a gold star even if the System isn’t perfect yet.
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macfacts said:
So you acknowledge apple will bend over backwards if the law forces them to. You should do some reading about lavabit. It was a web mail service that Edward Snowden used before, and the us gov tried to use the law to attempt to force lavabit to hand over Edward Snowdens emails. So yeah, no privacy in USA.
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What? Are you saying Apple should defy the law?
 
macfacts said:
So you acknowledge apple will bend over backwards if the law forces them to. You should do some reading about lavabit. It was a web mail service that Edward Snowden used before, and the us gov tried to use the law to attempt to force lavabit to hand over Edward Snowdens emails. So yeah, no privacy in USA.
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You are being way too extreme scenario guy. Apple also told the FBI to F off when they asked them to unlock an iPhone. In general, Apple isn’t selling your data and mining it to sell you stuff.

To pretend Apple is another Facebook or Google is just disingenuous. Apple is by far the best tech company and probably the best company overall at privacy.

I don’t expect Apple to break the law, no. That would be stupid.
 
As long as iOS is a closed source system 3rd party audit is not possible. Meaning you can not really trust iOS security and privacy claim. That's why we trust AES algorithm for encryption because its a publicly known algorithm and has been check, re-check, studied and tested by a lot of different people.

For that reason I trust my Android phone than an iOS phone :)
 
Lalatoon said:
As long as iOS is a closed source system 3rd party audit is not possible. Meaning you can not really trust iOS security and privacy claim. That's why we trust AES algorithm for encryption because its a publicly known algorithm and has been check, re-check, studied and tested by a lot of different people.

For that reason I trust my Android phone than an iOS phone :)
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Google is android. So you trust google more than Apple ?
 
I use both Google and Apple and I don't trust either of them. I trust nothing 100%. Both are out to make money, morals and ethics take a back seat to the money. Again everyone is entitled to their own opinion but, if you believe Apple cares more than any other company then that's good for you. It's all marketing and that's it.
 
Lalatoon said:
As long as iOS is a closed source system 3rd party audit is not possible. Meaning you can not really trust iOS security and privacy claim. That's why we trust AES algorithm for encryption because its a publicly known algorithm and has been check, re-check, studied and tested by a lot of different people.

For that reason I trust my Android phone than an iOS phone :)
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For the same reason, can’t trust windows either.:apple:
 
Khedron said:
Tim still letting apps track children?

Also, why can't I delete my location history from Apple Maps? I've only used it a few times but every place I searched is now undeletable from the recent places list. Bug, or another request from the Chinese Communist Party?
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If you use Apple News you agree to let them track your reading habits for their own advertising targeting.
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In terms of recent searches not clearing? Assuming you’re running iOS 13, it’s a bug. It happens to me every day.
 
Doctor Q said:
Employers and insurers who obtain your health information (with or without your consent) can use that information to judge their risk in employing you or insuring you.

By the way, I like the little animated locked Apple logo at the end of the video. They should use that more, including in the iOS interface.
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imagine hitler had access to large part of populations heart rate and all the Data these mobile devices produce.....

no, your individual heart rate is not that important. But as part of a large dataset it can become a tool to manipulate and control the masses...
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Baymowe335 said:
So hilarious! Post some evidence as to what extent any of Apple’s China decisions impact privacy.
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Maybe the well known fact that Apple handed over all iCloud infrastructure including encryption keys to the Chinese.
 
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Hahaha and Apples hypocrisy marketing strikes again! They should be reported to the advertising standards for lying!
Privacy and Apple are two things that do NOT go together and I think never did, they just hid the truth from everyone whilst belittling the competition..
 
Dave-Z said:
I do not have concrete information at this moment, but I suspect that Apple is today's Google. They look good now, but in a decade we'll see their true character.

In another thread here I pointed out that iOS devices on my network send vastly more information to Apple than Microsoft or Linux devices send to their respective manufacturers. As I manage all the devices on my network I can say that I have set, where possible, all devices to use local searches/data only, disabled syncing of any accounts/information, etc. Yet Apple devices consistently contact Apple servers and send copious amounts of data in comparison to other manufacturers.

This discovery, along with recent events like human contractors listening to Siri recordings, gives me pause. It should give anyone pause. Then there's the Podcasts and Books apps, which simply do not let you opt-out of analytics. Sure it's "anonymized" but what about the option to entirely opt out?

Everyone knows that physical access = full access. Yet at the demand of the Chinese government Apple moved all of their Chinese users' data to in-country, government run servers. We all know why. Apple could have taken a stand, but they did not.

Sorry, Apple, I just don't believe you. Thankfully time is an ally to truth. At some point I'll either be proven wrong (I hope so) or right.
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I think with all that Apple has done and been exposed on, its more then enough evidence to prove you are right today, not tomorrow...

It’s been like it for years, the corporations like Apple just hid it from you but have now been exposed, face it you live in a world where your data is NOT private fact, no matter which device or platform you use. You either live with that, ignoring any crap Apple tells you, or you stop using the internet and any connected electronic device and services for ever.

It’s the direct result of a capitalist world, something America does very well I might add, if someone can sell it they will if someone buys it.. and it does not matter what it is being traded so long as people can make money from it, that’s all that matters, consciences are an option rarely used these days in business.
 
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Apple keep banging the privacy drum but it's the third party apps that you have to worry about and Apple can't 100% control what's going on in that regard.
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They mine/sell your podcast listening data as well, otherwise BBC podcasts would have been stripped from the first party app.

Really smart advertising, though - just like those billboards.
 
bobob said:
Hopefully you have stopped buying products made in China, like other individuals are doing. I don't see that happening anytime soon, though.
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That’s a bit difficult when it seems 90% of products are made there!!!!
I know of one smart ish watch not made in China. That’s it. What tablets or phones do you know off that aren’t made there? Or television or microwave or router or........
 
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Apple keep banging the privacy drum but it's the third party apps that you have to worry about and Apple can't 100% control what's going on in that regard.
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Great point. You may be able to expect "privacy" with Apple's native apps but you should not have the same expectations with 3rd party apps.

I put privacy in quotation marks because it's not wise to expect any level of privacy because it benefits corporations to leak/sell your data than protect your data. Fines would need to be more than the revenue from selling your data before corporations take privacy seriously.

IMHO, there are days I wish the Internet and smartphones was not a commercial success because it's not worth the lack of privacy and daily data breach. We will get to the point (if we're not there yet) where everyone's SSN, PHI, or PII has been breach. Creating another unique identifier for each person is not the solution; the solution is for regulations to crush companies who purposely leak our data for their financial benefit.
 
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To the author of this article . . .

". . . girl . . ." ???

How about "woman?"

Rethink this reference if the woman in this video was a man of the same age. Would we have referred to him as a "boy?" I think not.
 
bobob said:
Hopefully you have stopped buying products made in China, like other individuals are doing. I don't see that happening anytime soon, though.
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Even though your comment is clearly condescending, I agree with you. It’s unfortunate that so much stuff is assembled there. Samsung pulled out of there recently. Other companies need to do the same. If I’m to follow in their footsteps, it’s going to require quite a bit of research. It’s a monumental undertaking.
 
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