Apple Shares New 'Simple as That' Ad in 'Privacy on iPhone' Series

citysnaps said:
Which apps will expose all of your data (assuming you don't give permission for them to do so)?
Click to expand...

That is the trick, they embed it in T&A that, in the case of Instagram, is 30+ pages. Who will spend the time and read all of that to use an app. They will just assume that they are trust worthy. Like I assume that my telecom company is trust worthy not to spy on my calls, or that my bank does not sell my account data, or my doctor does not go talking to his friends about my condition.
 
Justanotherfanboy said:
You trust a company that makes better than 90% of its revenue off data collection over one that makes 0% of its revenue off data collection?
Wow! I think you are absolutely the “holy grail” for companies searching for dupes that don’t mind being used for profit.
Click to expand...
When I said Android, It does not mean automatically Google Services. There is Android Open Source Program in which you can install stock Android OS without Google Services or OEM bloated apps. One good example is LineageOS, it uses AOSP and the stock version does not include any Google services, no Play Store, no GMail, nothing Google related at all. What I do to install app is I let my Bluestack Android emulator download apps from Play Store and sideload it to my phone.

I7guy said:
For the same reason, can’t trust windows either.:apple:
Click to expand...
Well, regarding security and privacy I do not trust Windows also. For sensitive and very important task i turn to Linux and for Internet anonymity I use TailsOS. If only Macbook Pro is not overpriced for its spec and if only it supports NVIDIA cards I would love to work with macOS for my heavy lifting task, I do have a Macbook Air 2018. However, for the price and specs Macbook Pro can't beat PC gaming laptops like my Asus ROG Zypherus S GX502GW. For the price of an entry level Macbook Pro my PC laptop already has 32GB RAM and 1TB NVME SSD. Not to mention it comes with a beautiful and precise mouse with extra buttons I can customize :)


Sam in SoCal said:
Google is android. So you trust google more than Apple ?
Click to expand...

Try reading about Android Open Source Program and LineageOS or other custom Android OS that does not bundle Google Services.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
MacBH928 said:
That is the trick, they embed it in T&A that, in the case of Instagram, is 30+ pages. Who will spend the time and read all of that to use an app. They will just assume that they are trust worthy. Like I assume that my telecom company is trust worthy not to spy on my calls, or that my bank does not sell my account data, or my doctor does not go talking to his friends about my condition.
Click to expand...

But doesn’t the user need to explicitly grant the app access to “all of your data” (as you originally claimed) in order for that to happen? I highly doubt that’s the case.
 
Marekul said:
The fact that china (a communist dictatorship) owns large parts of iCloud infrastructure compromises whole iCloud security. With a simple region setting all your data can fall in hands of the very wrong people.
also in cooperation with Chinese government Apple implemented social scoring. As reported they implemented it for the whole user base not just China.
You need more?
Click to expand...
No, you’re extrapolating, over simplifying, and pretending to understand how the entire cloud works. Again, Apple is complying with local laws, which makes sense. International business isn’t as easy as throwing your weight around and getting what you want and/or packing up and going home. You find a way to work within the parameters. China is an important market.

You’ve also failed to give any compelling reason Apple has compromised user privacy, particularly in US markets.
 
kis said:
An ad isn‘t „shared“ - it‘s released or published.
Click to expand...
It’s a platform-specific usage. Shared or posted is fine, but released has a connotation that could be construed as a paid ad running on the platform itself, so it’s somewhat ambiguous. “Released a new ad on Facebook” can have a different meaning than “shared (or posted) a new ad on Facebook”. Using published is more typical of print media, such as newspapers, magazines, books or even a corporate website (to me anyway, ymmv).

But YouTube? Insta? FB? Twitter? Those are social networks where users share/post stuff. I personally wouldn’t use released or published for those. Post is more formal, share less so, but I don’t see a problem here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I find it a little funny... people in this thread defending Apple with regards to China. The defense is, Apple is just following local laws.

First laws are not automatically morally right or good. China is a sovereign country but it does not mean that all the laws they have are morally right or was created for good intention. Not all laws are created for the good of the people, in fact there are laws created to protect the government but undermine its people.

Second, in today's era, country or nations are closely intertwined with each other specially with respect to business and economy. Apple benefits from China because the country has a very low minimum wages for its labor force. We might think this is a good thing for America but it is not. If only Apple built its production line in America then it could have employed hundreds of thousand people making the economy stronger because this increases the purchasing power of Americans employed. Setting up the production line in US soil SHOULD NOT increase the prices of products. Why? Company has profit margin. For example lets just say that the cost of production of a single unit of an iPhone is only $300 if process in China. If the Apple sell it for $900 then it means their profit margin is $600 or 300%. Now if for example they setup the production line in US soil it might cost them an extra $100 each unit because of higher labor wage this means that cost of production now is $400. This leaves Apple $500 net profit. My point is companies has profit margin but it doesn't mean that below the margin means revenue is negative. Like most company, instead of helping the economy its country of origin by employing people and thus driving economic growth Apple went to China to cut expenses to increase profit. With this practice Apple became a trillion dollar company and I think it's about time to help the country it was born by moving back its production in US soil to help with the unemployment or underemployment problem. By the way, Apple having a trillion dollar does not mean a strong economy for America because it does not translate directly to the purchasing power of individual Americans but only to its major shareholder. If regular Americans has less purchasing power less money will flow in the economy and less growth for businesses and companies.

Going back to the defense about Apple is just following local laws. This show a double standard. If its in China its okay if Apple cooperate however in America everybody claps because Apple resisted from FBI requests :)

I wonder what will be our reaction if this happens -
Like Bush he used Weapons Of Mass Destruction and 911 attack to scare the people to submission and go to war in Iraq, what if the next president can find a way to scare the people to submission that without question the congress will allow passage of a law that will allow FBI unrestricted access to Apple databases. I wonder those who defend Apple on the matter of its relationship with China will still say "Its okay, Apple is just following the law".
 
I find it funny some of the disingenuous comparisons being made.

Following local laws is not equivalent to "helping" the FBI. There is due process for that, and if Apple were legally forced to do so, they would have to, or risk other legal ramifications.
 
Yeah, a device that has automatic software update, a feature built in but cannot be completely disabled.

Now I no longer think Apple cares about privacy by any degree other than empty PR words, which is what Apple is truly good at: marketing.
 
Baymowe335 said:
No, you’re extrapolating, over simplifying, and pretending to understand how the entire cloud works. Again, Apple is complying with local laws, which makes sense. International business isn’t as easy as throwing your weight around and getting what you want and/or packing up and going home. You find a way to work within the parameters. China is an important market.

You’ve also failed to give any compelling reason Apple has compromised user privacy, particularly in US markets.
Click to expand...

Yes we both don’t know the details how iCloud is set up in backend, but we know from Apple directly that storage in chines cloud depends on your iphones region setting. that is a fact you can easily look up. And yes - with a black box that the cloud is to us you better do extrapolate.
for example I wouldn’t assume when living in China you can simply opt out of tracking by changing the region - there are probably more mechanisms in place that can get you into Chinese iCloud and all your data compromised.with your security at risk you better assume the worst case.
You just fail or refuse to understand the examples given so far but you don’t have any real rebuttal all the stuff that has already been mentioned.
yeah apple have to comply with Chinese laws. That doesn’t make it right though.
But let me try once more:

what’s your defense for Apple taking billions from google every year for being embedded into iOS?
 
Marekul said:
...
You just fail or refuse to understand the examples given so far but you don’t have any real rebuttal all the stuff that has already been mentioned.
yeah apple have to comply with Chinese laws. That doesn’t make it right though.
Click to expand...
It makes this necessary though, unless your opinion is that apple should pull out of China. Which is a valid opinion, but it's not happening, seemingly.

But let me try once more:

what’s your defense for Apple taking billions from google every year for being embedded into iOS?
Click to expand...
Let me try once more, explain the situation, and again open the can of worms that really is irrelevant.

Apple is entitled to advertising dollars for listing google first in the list of search engines. Bully for them, that they are that considered that google will pay.

- Customers aren't locked out of opting in to any other search engine.
- Google does not get any customer information, that the iphone user does not give up voluntarily.
- It's my opinion, like Ford, Coke, Pepsi, google is a household name and people want to use google anyway, happily, volunteering to give up whatever information they want.
- When google is used, the website leaves cookies on the iphone. This is irrespective of advertising dollars.
- Because this is the internet, calling the google web services, will send bits of information to google. This will happen regardless of whether google pays advertising dollars to Apple or not.

Is there a better understanding? Are all of the (irrelevant) talking points addressed?
 
ktemkin said:
To the author of this article . . .

". . . girl . . ." ???

How about "woman?"

Rethink this reference if the woman in this video was a man of the same age. Would we have referred to him as a "boy?" I think not.
Click to expand...

How does one know that person self identifies as a woman?
 
Gutwrench,

How did the author know that person self identifies as a "girl?"

The author probably had no idea how the person wanted to be self identified. They author could have used "person," but they clearly made a choice to use "girl." To use "girl" or "boy" is demeaning to an adult, which she clearly is. If she wanted to be completely neutral, she could have used "person," but because she made a choice not to remain neutral, the more appropriate reference would be "woman," not "girl."
 
ktemkin said:
Gutwrench,

How did the author know that person self identifies as a "girl?"
Click to expand...

The intent of my reply was tongue-in-cheek, but your original point was well taken. Having said that; then, here you’re being as presumptive as MR. No one knows how the person identifies, no?

There’s no shortage of insensitivity in any of its forms. Whether it’s MR not having used the term “woman”, in your opinion, or yours for presuming the person identifies as one. At some point we have to chalk it up to harmless. That’s my take.
 
PickUrPoison said:
It’s a platform-specific usage. Shared or posted is fine, but released has a connotation that could be construed as a paid ad running on the platform itself, so it’s somewhat ambiguous. “Released a new ad on Facebook” can have a different meaning than “shared (or posted) a new ad on Facebook”. Using published is more typical of print media, such as newspapers, magazines, books or even a corporate website (to me anyway, ymmv).

But YouTube? Insta? FB? Twitter? Those are social networks where users share/post stuff. I personally wouldn’t use released or published for those. Post is more formal, share less so, but I don’t see a problem here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Click to expand...

"Share" is incorrect language for this purpose. Sharing implies the transition of an object into mutual ownership. Advertising is a product that generates revenue. You wouldn't say "Apple has shared the new iPhone" when a new iPhone is released. Apple doesn't share advertising with us. It releases new ads so we can look at them and buy more products.
 
kis said:
"Share" is incorrect language for this purpose. Sharing implies the transition of an object into mutual ownership. Advertising is a product that generates revenue. You wouldn't say "Apple has shared the new iPhone" when a new iPhone is released. Apple doesn't share advertising with us. It releases new ads so we can look at them and buy more products.
Click to expand...
You’re wrong. Not even pedantic, just wrong. Feel free not to like the way share is used out in the world, but that doesn’t make you right and everyone else wrong.

And share doesn’t imply a transition of ownership. If I share a new product idea with you, you can be certain I’m not transferring any ownership. If my kid shares a toy with yours, she wants it back when you leave.

Apple posted a new ad on their YouTube channel. That’s not advertising, that’s public relations. Running/airing/broadcasting that ad is advertising.

On social media, companies share their latest ad, post a press release, share some pics of their latest store opening or share the latest story of how their product impacts people’s lives for the better.

You don’t have to like the word everyone (else) uses in that manner and in that context, but trying to pretend like it’s wrong and everyone should use your preferred term is ridiculous.

btw, from the Cambridge Dictionary website:

Share verb, transitive

to put something on a social media website so that other people can see it, or to let other people see something that someone else has put on a website.
 
PickUrPoison said:
You’re wrong. Not even pedantic, just wrong. Feel free not to like the way share is used out in the world, but that doesn’t make you right and everyone else wrong.

And share doesn’t imply a transition of ownership. If I share a new product idea with you, you can be certain I’m not transferring any ownership. If my kid shares a toy with yours, she wants it back when you leave.

Apple posted a new ad on their YouTube channel. That’s not advertising, that’s public relations. Running/airing/broadcasting that ad is advertising.

On social media, companies share their latest ad, post a press release, share some pics of their latest store opening or share the latest story of how their product impacts people’s lives for the better.

You don’t have to like the word everyone (else) uses in that manner and in that context, but trying to pretend like it’s wrong and everyone should use your preferred term is ridiculous.

btw, from the Cambridge Dictionary website:

Share verb, transitive

to put something on a social media website so that other people can see it, or to let other people see something that someone else has put on a website.
Click to expand...
Omg at the nitpicking. However fwiw, I do agree “share” is appropriate.
 
macfacts said:
Apple Targets Users With New 'Simple as That' Ad in 'Privacy on iPhone' Series
Click to expand...
Kinda of impossible to "target" users using Youtube, more than likely share. But maybe they were sharing with android. Who knows such things?
 
I7guy said:
No. Please elaborate with specifics.
Click to expand...

en.wikipedia.org

IBM and the Holocaust - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

I7guy said:
I can’t fathom what you are attempting to intimate. But you can’t go into detail, with this misplaced analogy, so there’s that.
Click to expand...

Misplaced analogy? Its about a company cooperating with an oppressive regime for profit. It may not be exactly the same and not a holocaust level but it is a good analogy because Apple claims that they are for privacy but when it comes to China privacy is thrown out of the window.

I do understand why people defend Apple on this, they have learned to love Apple after many years of selling good products but hopefully people will not turn a blind eye in this kind of issues. Supporting a company we like is a good thing but its a different story if we continue to defend them when it comes to social and political issues just because we love their product.

Well, I guess love is really blind :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Back
Top