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I could not work one day with only an iPad Pro. Even if the software like sketch and photoshop and so on would be available, it would be a huge pain to only touch, pinch and swipe and not to have a trackpack and a decent keyboard to use shortcuts to get stuff done fast and precise. And the filehandling on ipad is a joke!
That's because while SV has been peddling out their garbage ideas of people abandoning traditional desktops, they themselves don't believe it. The day a motion picture film is edited at 4K or 8K native resolution with effects added in later produced to the films scenes on an iPad Pro is the day the traditional computer will begin its decline. And that is before encoding it into a file for a master disc.
 
That's because while SV has been peddling out their garbage ideas of people abandoning traditional desktops, they themselves don't believe it. The day a motion picture film is edited at 4K or 8K native resolution with effects added in later produced to the films scenes on an iPad Pro is the day the traditional computer will begin its decline. And that is before encoding it into a file for a master disc.
The traditional computer has been in decline for six or seven years, and that’s due to tablet computers. Fewer and fewer people require desktops/notebooks to do what they need to do.

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The capability to edit 4K/8K footage is not determinant. It’s a niche market, and certainly there are plenty of applications where tablet computers aren’t appropriate. In fact, cloud computing is making “traditional” computers increasingly obsolete, especially for business. One can easily throw two/ten/dozens/hundreds of CPUs and/or GPUs at a problem as needed.
 
This is great, but you can do all this stuff with the budget iPad as well.
Apple need to start delivering on this "Pro" moniker and release some "Pro" apps which actually take advantage of the power of the device (and price tag).

"Pro" is just a marketing term.
 
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Chromebooks are much better for the classroom. Any kid can login to any Chromebook and have all of their stuff. And when they go home, they can still login from a home computer and work on their assignments. You can't do that with an iPad.

Absolutely agree that the infrastructure/cloud/software side on iPad is lacking, but see it's something Apple could fix, that's what I mean that I wish Apple would have the vision and focus on the whole education ecosystem. As it stands right now they just make the iPad as a boutique item for consumption plus a bit of education software, but nowhere as comprehensive as it could be.
 
The capability to edit 4K/8K footage is not determinant. It’s a niche market, and certainly there are plenty of applications where tablet computers aren’t appropriate. In fact, cloud computing is making “traditional” computers increasingly obsolete, especially for business. One can easily throw two/ten/dozens/hundreds of CPUs and/or GPUs at a problem as needed.

Cloud computing usually refers to using thin clients on site attached to a row of localized machines serving dozens of clients. This isn't different than having a small render farm in-house connected via network to individual clients. Thin clients still cost quite a bit and still need some individual components. They often only lack a hard drive. Much of the size is reduced because the PSU is a large brick adapter with cord, like a laptop's but more powerful. There's also cloud computing which would refer to stuff like automatic upload to S3 storage buckets. The cloud encompassing the phrase cloud computing brings on more confusion because it's become a very generalized term.

Cloud rendering, which is what you were trying to refer to, isn't very cost effective even for large studios unless they're being constantly used. They also pose a security risk. You're also sharing compute time. What you're referring to isn't remotely new either. Tablets simply cannot go full throttle like a desktop can. The latter doesn't easily thermally throttle back because there are active cooling measures involves. Amazon EC2, which is infinitely cheaper than the competition, can cost a fortune to run for large compute basis. Render farm companies offer an edge in terms of usability and security because Amazon is a cloud services provider; what you choose to do with their services is up to you as there's no tailor made solution to an industry. Farms are often cheaper in the long run, but you can run into problems. A small production company may pay anywhere from hundreds to thousands a month depending on their workload and scheduled tasks.
 
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Another day at the iPad section of the forum.
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The members here tend to be bitter, self-centered and full of resentment.
I resemble that remark. I expect Apple to deliver a product that just works. And I admit I enjoy being grumpy.
 
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The traditional computer has been in decline for six or seven years, and that’s due to tablet computers. Fewer and fewer people require desktops/notebooks to do what they need to do.

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Yes, who knew that when laptops reached feature and speed parity with large desktops, they'd increase in usage while desktops went down in usage. Go grab a workstation laptop from 2008. It'll weight close to 8 lb. Go grab a Xeon workstation laptop by HP right now, it's as slim as any highend laptop, and weighs considerably less, and has better battery.

Second, your image also shows an uptick in tablets, which defeats my earlier point until you realize that tablets have become incredibly common, and can be had for as low as $40 for a low-end product. This doesn't support your argument at all. A Kindle e-reader, not the Fire, is also considered a tablet. But I won't be editing videos with a Voyage.
 
People need to remember that they are not necessarily the target market for the advertisement. The members here tend to be more tech-savvy, and more comfortable with complexity and power.

What the ipad brings to the market is the ability to streamline all these otherwise complex tasks for the normal everyday person.

I can share a personal anecdote of how I had fun with my iPad Pro at work this week. As a teacher, I was tasked with creating a roster of the students in my form class, complete with names and mugshots.

So what I did was use my ipad to take photos of each of my 40 students, crop them in the photos app, then insert them one by one into the supplied PowerPoint template. This last step was made easier by the use of split-screen (PowerPoint and photos running side-by-side) and drag-and-drop.

Finally, export it as a pdf to Dropbox, and emailing the final file (over 50 mb) to my year head using mail drop in the stock mail app.

It’s not an exactly complicated task, but there are numerous steps involved, and it’s ultimately easier when you are able to do it all on one device, compared to fiddling with a smartphone and laptop. Already, I see my colleagues struggling to import their photos to their work-issued windows laptop, or resorting to emailing the photos to themselves or uploading to google photos (which is still an extra step).

That’s what the ipad represents - an integrated solution which just works right out of the box.
Whilst you managed to do your little task on your Ipad the same solution was possible with at least one step less than you encountered let alone all the other issues on interface without track pad or mouse or file full file system.

With fully integrated solutions with full OS costing at fraction of an Ipad cost (EG Surface GO, etc) it can be easier and more productive

Lets not confuse your colleagues lack of training or experience with their devices. If you think emailing 40 pictures in one or two goes opposed to using a cloud service is typical usage then you are largely mistaken. At worst it's 2 or 3 drag and drops and a click to send if you must mail it :rolleyes: and it has a bonus option to auto reduce file size at the same time, so not quite as inefficient as you might think.

I don't even want to know why you ended up with a 50mb PDF, maybe because you did not email your photos or shrink them LOL. We produce technical documents with 100's of pages and a multitude of illustrations and drawings embedded with much smaller file sizes. We would be in trouble with our document controllers and IT if we bounded around 50mb PDF files, let alone our clients. :eek::rolleyes:
 
Whilst you managed to do your little task on your Ipad the same solution was possible with at least one step less than you encountered let alone all the other issues on interface without track pad or mouse or file full file system.
During that task, I didn’t feel like I was hobbled by the lack of mouse support or a file system. If anything, I like that my files are siloed by app (maybe that’s how my brain is hardwired to see file management after 6 years of working on an iPad).

With fully integrated solutions with full OS costing at fraction of an Ipad cost (EG Surface GO, etc) it can be easier and more productive

For the work I do, a full desktop OS (ie: windows, and to some extent, macOS) is the liability a fair amount of the time, not a plus.

Lets not confuse your colleagues lack of training or experience with their devices. If you think emailing 40 pictures in one or two goes opposed to using a cloud service is typical usage then you are largely mistaken. At worst it's 2 or 3 drag and drops and a click to send if you must mail it :rolleyes: and it has a bonus option to auto reduce file size at the same time, so not quite as inefficient as you might think.

Here’s the thing. Emailing 40 photos would have exceeded the gmail attachment size limit, and the point is that I don’t want to resize the photo file size.

I don't even want to know why you ended up with a 50mb PDF, maybe because you did not email your photos or shrink them LOL. We produce technical documents with 100's of pages and a multitude of illustrations and drawings embedded with much smaller file sizes. We would be in trouble with our document controllers and IT if we bounded around 50mb PDF files, let alone our clients. :eek::rolleyes:

One PowerPoint with 40 photos inside adds up to that size.

You do have a point that 50 mb is too big for a pdf document, and I will likely get round to resizing it at home, but I don’t see how this in any way invalidates my experiences getting said task done on my iPad.

It’s different, it’s fun, I did this while reclining on a sofa (so a mouse wouldn’t have been feasible anyways), and using a PC likely wouldn’t have saved me any additional time or effort.

All in all, I picked the right tool for the job. Is it so hard for PC users to acknowledge and accept the versatility and utility that iPads bring to the table.
 
50 MB PDFs are usually the result of scanned pages being embedded as images but serve as pages. I hope that makes sense.
 
People need to remember that they are not necessarily the target market for the advertisement. The members here tend to be more tech-savvy, and more comfortable with complexity and power.

What the ipad brings to the market is the ability to streamline all these otherwise complex tasks for the normal everyday person.

I can share a personal anecdote of how I had fun with my iPad Pro at work this week. As a teacher, I was tasked with creating a roster of the students in my form class, complete with names and mugshots.

So what I did was use my ipad to take photos of each of my 40 students, crop them in the photos app, then insert them one by one into the supplied PowerPoint template. This last step was made easier by the use of split-screen (PowerPoint and photos running side-by-side) and drag-and-drop.

Finally, export it as a pdf to Dropbox, and emailing the final file (over 50 mb) to my year head using mail drop in the stock mail app.

It’s not an exactly complicated task, but there are numerous steps involved, and it’s ultimately easier when you are able to do it all on one device, compared to fiddling with a smartphone and laptop. Already, I see my colleagues struggling to import their photos to their work-issued windows laptop, or resorting to emailing the photos to themselves or uploading to google photos (which is still an extra step).

That’s what the ipad represents - an integrated solution which just works right out of the box.

Valuable example, thanks for sharing. That PDF file seems obscenely high though, I highly recommend compressing it with www.ilovepdf.com, I prefer it over even over Acrobat Pro, it does a great job compressing PDFs without any quality loss.
 
Valuable example, thanks for sharing. That PDF file seems obscenely high though, I highly recommend compressing that file with www.ilovepdf.com, I prefer it over even over Acrobat Pro, it does a great job compressing PDFs without any quality loss.

Thanks, but I will probably just get this done on my iMac later at home (unless someone knows a way of getting this done on iOS?). I have my reservations about uploading files to online conversion websites, especially school data.
 
Have you guys used iOS? I am able to save work on my Mac and see it, modify it, and move it on my iPad. Some work included notes (notability, notes app, Pages/Word) and programming (python and C++ code) among other things. iOS already has pretty great file management. Can it be improved. Oh god yes but let’s not be dumb here.
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I’ve both programmed and up kept a server on my iPad. But I’m sure that ain’t “work”

You say you have programmed on your iPad, were you able to compile that code or run or test that code on your iPad?, because if you haven't then all you really have done is write out the code AKA text editing which for something that costs as much as an iPad is nothing to brag about, I only bought my 11 inch iPad pro instead of a normal iPad to be able to play occasional games of Civilization VI better, all the other tasks I use it for could as easily be done on a normal iPad. Its fair to call an iPad a computing device, but until you can write, compile and run your own software on it no device should claim to be a full fledged computer.
 
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Anything done on MacBook Pro can be done on a MacBook. Same with an iPhone XS and an iPhone 7. Seems logical the same would apply to the iPads. The difference in the pricing, unique features and performance if one needs those options.

Nice to have more then one screwdriver in ones toolbox!

I just think they could do a better job highlighting things that better take advantage of the iPad Pro's higher performance.
 
People need to remember that they are not necessarily the target market for the advertisement. The members here tend to be more tech-savvy, and more comfortable with complexity and power.

What the ipad brings to the market is the ability to streamline all these otherwise complex tasks for the normal everyday person.

I can share a personal anecdote of how I had fun with my iPad Pro at work this week. As a teacher, I was tasked with creating a roster of the students in my form class, complete with names and mugshots.

So what I did was use my ipad to take photos of each of my 40 students, crop them in the photos app, then insert them one by one into the supplied PowerPoint template. This last step was made easier by the use of split-screen (PowerPoint and photos running side-by-side) and drag-and-drop.

Finally, export it as a pdf to Dropbox, and emailing the final file (over 50 mb) to my year head using mail drop in the stock mail app.

It’s not an exactly complicated task, but there are numerous steps involved, and it’s ultimately easier when you are able to do it all on one device, compared to fiddling with a smartphone and laptop. Already, I see my colleagues struggling to import their photos to their work-issued windows laptop, or resorting to emailing the photos to themselves or uploading to google photos (which is still an extra step).

That’s what the ipad represents - an integrated solution which just works right out of the box.

All that could all be done on a normal iPad that costs half the price of a iPad pro and all those things can also be done on a Microsoft windows tablet too.
 
All that could all be done on a normal iPad that costs half the price of a iPad pro and all those things can also be done on a Microsoft windows tablet too.

Nobody is saying it can’t.

But this argument reminds me of people saying how Apple wasn’t the first with fingerprint scanners, or how every phone sports face scanners now. However, Apple set the gold standard for Touch ID security, while many face scanners on android phones today tend to invariably sacrifice security for speed.

Implementation matters.

Getting it done on a cheaper iPad by no means invalidates the argument that iPads can’t be used for productivity. There’s nothing wrong with people paying more for “niceness”, such as the better display, faster processor, or the redesigned accessories if it improves the overall working experience.

And I really wouldn’t try to get this done on a windows tablet. At least not without a mouse, because I find the whole touchscreen experience and app selection on windows still leaves a lot to be desired.

On a side note, my school just had these miracast dongles installed in our classrooms, and quite a few of our staff are having issues with them. From lag, to simply having problems connecting or forgetting the network.

Maybe it’s just our school enterprise settings wrecking havoc with the entire setup, but I dare say my own Apple TV setup still provides a more seamless and intuitive experience overall.
 
Chromebooks are much better for the classroom. Any kid can login to any Chromebook and have all of their stuff. And when they go home, they can still login from a home computer and work on their assignments. You can't do that with an iPad.

Plus, Chromebooks are just so much cheaper, schools can't afford to outfit every student with an iPad.
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How do you like LumaFusion? I have an original iPad Pro, and I've considered getting that for some home video editing. I've used iMove on the iPad, but I need something that gives me a little more control than that. Not Premier Pro level of control, but just a few more options.

I have rather happy with it. I am really amazed by its capabilities. Three layers video is more than adequate for my needs. The chromakey is really good, but not at the level of Final Cut Pro. Lumafusion‘s effects and key framing is it really worth it

I wish I could find a comparable level video editing application at its price point for my Macintosh. It would ease my workflow at work if I could have a similar application on my work issued Windows machine.
 
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During that task, I didn’t feel like I was hobbled by the lack of mouse support or a file system. If anything, I like that my files are siloed by app (maybe that’s how my brain is hardwired to see file management after 6 years of working on an iPad).



For the work I do, a full desktop OS (ie: windows, and to some extent, macOS) is the liability a fair amount of the time, not a plus.



Here’s the thing. Emailing 40 photos would have exceeded the gmail attachment size limit, and the point is that I don’t want to resize the photo file size.



One PowerPoint with 40 photos inside adds up to that size.

You do have a point that 50 mb is too big for a pdf document, and I will likely get round to resizing it at home, but I don’t see how this in any way invalidates my experiences getting said task done on my iPad.

It’s different, it’s fun, I did this while reclining on a sofa (so a mouse wouldn’t have been feasible anyways), and using a PC likely wouldn’t have saved me any additional time or effort.

All in all, I picked the right tool for the job. Is it so hard for PC users to acknowledge and accept the versatility and utility that iPads bring to the table.
I'm not detracting from the fact you managed to get the job done but for many it would be a less than ideal solution and certainly does not justify the price of an IPP that in this instance you managed comparable wotk to a full OS.

Many do tasks simply due to familiarity and if your comfortable with your IPP that's fine for you but for many it would be a case of making it work opposed to knowing it would work on a more capable platform that most are familiar with.

Not sure why you used a separate app to crop where W10 PowerPoint allows cropping insitu and cropping could of been avoiding completely with a passport mugshot app :) leaving just sizing to suit template and probably considerably smaller file size.

Still the bottom line is you got the job done :) and many 2 in 1's or surface products are equally if not more versatile
 
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This is great, but you can do all this stuff with the budget iPad as well.
Apple need to start delivering on this "Pro" moniker and release some "Pro" apps which actually take advantage of the power of the device (and price tag).

As an iPad Pro 2018 owner, I have to completely... agree with you.

I love the thing, but it's not kidding anyone with the name "Pro" in the title. Yes yes, there will be a TINY minority of people out there that can earn their living with artistry or whatever the heck else - with their iPad. The majority of us? Great for Candy Crush, Words with Friends, watching movies, doing Facebook, and surfing the world wide intertubes.

If I need to do anything computer-y, I go to my iMac.

Because let's be honest, even copying and pasting text is a REAL PAIN on ANY iOS device.
 
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