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And you don't believe Apple is also amassing data from users?

Unless you want to live off the grid, there is data being amassed about you. Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc.. are doing it with the primary intent of either making your experience better; or targeting advertising that you'd care about. Both are generally going to be positive for the user. I am OK with that. If any of them decided to do something evil with that data, it would get discovered, in today's media crazy world they would get raked over the coals pretty harshly.


I guess there's not much to help you with if you are adopting the "Apple is evil and lying" theme to make yourself feel better. No, Apple does not scan every mail sent and received, nor do they do any of the other massive data collection that Google does, such as your driving history, your web searches, your photos, postings, etc., nor do they have a universal identifier assigned to everyone. The reason Google does of course is that over 90% of its entire revenue comes from selling access to you to advertisers. Obviously having your email that says you want to vacation in Mexico is very valuable, ; adding that to everything else Google knows about you, such as your income, marital status, etc., makes it even more valuable. Thus, Google is incentivized to collect everything possible about you as you are their product as they would be out of business overnight if they couldn't sell access. In contrast, Apple makes its revenue from hardware, software and services. But again, I understand that if you are using Android/Google it's tough to admit that your privacy is gone, hence, it's common to hear the "there is no privacy anyways, everyone has all of your data, etc." even though that is not based in reality.

The other myth you are telling yourself is that even though Google knows the most intimate details of my and my family's life, they would never do anything evil with it. To begin with, you must not have read your terms of service, because Google makes it clear that they can sell their data to a successor company, but don't worry if they do, they promise that you will get a copy of the new privacy policy for whatever company(ies) that might be. More importantly, you're missing the point. The reason Apple doesn't collect that data in the first place is not just that they aren't in the advertising business, but they also know that it is a huge risk to your privacy and security to amass that data, especially into a central file system. For example, when you use Google photos, you give Google and its partners a perpetual worldwide license to use them. Now that Google has it stored and referenced all of this data on you in a central file, it is available to law enforcement or government agencies via a subpoena or search warrant or whatever process is used in a particular country. It is available to intel agencies and hackers and criminals.
 
I'm using iPhone for personal use, and Android for work use. I really don't plan on purchasing any iOS device in the future, unless iOS gets a massive overhaul. So switching - yes, but the other way around :)

Please do... one less people one the line! ;D
 
Apple walks into Cupertino 6th grade classroom..."So, what do you guys think we should do for a new commercial to show switching to an iPhone...." Result...this
 
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These ads hit it out of the park -- again. /s

Loving the like/dislike ratios:

iPhone - Security: 12,167/20,442
iPhone - Smooth: 4,985/1,705
iPhone - Contacts: 2,832/948

No wonder, Tim Cook's Apple does not have enough courage to allow YouTube comments.
 
These ads hit it out of the park -- again. /s

Loving the like/dislike ratios:

iPhone - Security: 12,167/20,442
iPhone - Smooth: 4,985/1,705
iPhone - Contacts: 2,832/948

No wonder, Tim Cook's Apple does not have enough courage to allow YouTube comments.
It doesn't take courage to not have any use for the (vast) majority of YouTube comments, just common sense.
 
I agree... the first one doesn't say anything and is kind of stupid. The second one is pretty lame. The third one is kind of comical.

I think they are trying to recreate something like the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" series which were brilliant and hilarious. These, not so much.

Google should run one showing the iPhone users on the left in a prison cell, and the Android users being able to freely go where they wish in the land of unicorns and fairies. Or maybe the iPhone user depicted as a school kid asking if he can do things and the teacher saying, No, No, No, No... and on the Android side Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes.

I'm at the point of wanting to try Android again, and there are just a couple of things holding me back at this point...
- Messages and my family... that is glue.
- Update consistency... probably would go with a Pixel iteration if I move.

Haha, these were great. Thanks for laugh, especially the "speaking of peripherals" bit. I'm not convinced these latest ads will change anyone's mind.

I have yet to try Android but I am not ruling it out either, based on Apples new prices and whether or not the SE is still around in a year or so. My 6s still runs well so I see no need to update ATM. Hopefully Apple doesn't price themselves out of existence.
 
I guess there's not much to help you with if you are adopting the "Apple is evil and lying" theme to make yourself feel better. No, Apple does not scan every mail sent and received, nor do they do any of the other massive data collection that Google does, such as your driving history, your web searches, your photos, postings, etc., nor do they have a universal identifier assigned to everyone. The reason Google does of course is that over 90% of its entire revenue comes from selling access to you to advertisers. Obviously having your email that says you want to vacation in Mexico is very valuable, ; adding that to everything else Google knows about you, such as your income, marital status, etc., makes it even more valuable. Thus, Google is incentivized to collect everything possible about you as you are their product as they would be out of business overnight if they couldn't sell access. In contrast, Apple makes its revenue from hardware, software and services. But again, I understand that if you are using Android/Google it's tough to admit that your privacy is gone, hence, it's common to hear the "there is no privacy anyways, everyone has all of your data, etc." even though that is not based in reality.

The other myth you are telling yourself is that even though Google knows the most intimate details of my and my family's life, they would never do anything evil with it. To begin with, you must not have read your terms of service, because Google makes it clear that they can sell their data to a successor company, but don't worry if they do, they promise that you will get a copy of the new privacy policy for whatever company(ies) that might be. More importantly, you're missing the point. The reason Apple doesn't collect that data in the first place is not just that they aren't in the advertising business, but they also know that it is a huge risk to your privacy and security to amass that data, especially into a central file system. For example, when you use Google photos, you give Google and its partners a perpetual worldwide license to use them. Now that Google has it stored and referenced all of this data on you in a central file, it is available to law enforcement or government agencies via a subpoena or search warrant or whatever process is used in a particular country. It is available to intel agencies and hackers and criminals.

Do you work for Apple? You must since you know the in's and out's of everything they do. I'm guessing you're just one of those people that think the corporation loves you and Tim knows you by name. He personally deletes everything for you! You don't think Apple knows what you have on your iCloud or any shared Safari history? Everyday they scrub everything for you right? Tell us about everything they do in their gigantic server farms since you seem to be on the inside about all of this.
 
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Do you work for Apple? You must since you know the in's and out's of everything they do. I'm guessing you're just one of those people that think the corporation loves you and Tim knows you by name. He personally deletes everything for you! You don't think Apple knows what you have on your iCloud or any shared Safari history? Everyday they scrub everything for you right? Tell us about everything they do in their gigantic server farms since you seem to be on the inside about all of this.


You are getting very nervous about your choice. That's a good thing because it means you are starting to question and analyze. Many people don't even think twice about the tradeoffs they are making in terms of privacy and security because they are getting something "free." You are going to be glad you began this journey the more you learn. Knowledge is power. Good luck.
 
Smooth. That's a laugh. I've had more problems on 10.3 than I've ever had on any previous version of iOS.
Which is still better than any version of Android.
Which is the point.

I don't get the first one... is there in any difference between how the people jump, or what?
You made contact (get it) on your old phone, you'll get them on your new one. Without missing a beat.
That seemed really obvious.
 
I saw "Comments are disabled for this video"

A ton of down votes.

Still on Android even though I did have an iPhone for several years. I would need to recheck to see if they implemented a few of the tasks I can do on Android so easily or at all.
 
You are getting very nervous about your choice. That's a good thing because it means you are starting to question and analyze. Many people don't even think twice about the tradeoffs they are making in terms of privacy and security because they are getting something "free." You are going to be glad you began this journey the more you learn. Knowledge is power. Good luck.

I think both Apple and Google are not safe. And neither should we be naive to think it is safe given whatever assurances that Google or Apple gives to you. Once our info is out there digitally, it is out of our control. Nobody really knows actually how is our data being used by Apple/Google. It is the reality so what's the point of being paranoid about. We still continue with our online payment, message, email etc. In China, hundreds of millions of people are using android ( few folds more than iphone) doing money transactions online using probably the biggest online payment system on earth WeChat - and these people have no sleepless nights worrying about personal information leaks.

I think we should worry more that we don't leak out information ourselves to those who are soliciting information from us openly or clandestinely. Rather than worrying about Google or Apple using our info.
 
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Yes, that's exactly what I had in mind when I invested in high end headphones. That I want to shell out another €200 for a stock-sounding pair of toothbrushes that power off after a few hours and provide no noise isolation or active cancellation. Early adopters and Bay Area cool kids can wait and gloat all they want --at least while we're at it, they can stop pretending that the Airpods fit a broad array of use case scenarios.

I listen to music for hours on end; during work, commuting, resting, chores, watching Netflix on the plane, and so forth. It's not "15 minutes", and it's not like an iPhone can sustain a 15' charge. That's the narrative for the Magic Mouse 2, not the iPhone. And by the way, the improved Cirrus Logic DAC on the 2016 MBP makes me miss the audiojack on future iterations of the iPhone even more.

My expectations are shaped by Apple itself. Past numerical iPhone upgrades (3,4,5,6) have brought huge, immediate benefits and awesome answers to the "how can you redesign a rectangle with a large screen" consumer scepticism by trying out different materials.

Before it pushed anaemic laptops that can't connect to anything out of the box, or phones whose plugs and earpods can't connect to said laptops or charge and play music, Apple products used to have a grounded elegance and interoperability other vendors could only dream of.

You're the one who shoehorned the competition. I used to have absolute confidence that buying the Apple version of whatever gave me an acceptable balance of value, quality and utility. It also saved a lot of time by not having to think and research everything else on the market. But the consecutive hold-ups in product releases and lacklustre upgrades of entire years has put their value proposition in question.

Apple has always pushed the envelope and tech has *always* left legacy ports behind. The first iMac got rid of ADB ports in favor of USB and people complained back then too. I'm not saying Apple couldn't have made the transition easier, but I can't remember a time when I didn't need an adapter, and I don't want to pay for a bunch of legacy ports I'm never going to use, either.

As for headphones, "Toothbrushes"? "Cool kids"? You're sounding more like a luddite that can't let go of the past, making derogatory comments just because you don't get it... you know, those old grumpy grandpas you used to make fun of as a kid. I also have a collection of headphones and I'll listen to my AKG's and Sennheisers and the missing headphone jack is a non-issue; at worst, an extremely minor inconvenience. Others are following suit and pretty soon you won't be able to buy a smartphone with a headphone jack.

BTW, I spend 90% of my time listening to my AirPods now. They sound better than stock and while the left earpiece doesn't fit as snugly as the right, they are by far the most comfortable and convenient headphones/buds I've ever owned. Try it before you knock it. Take advantage of Apple's 2 week, no questions asked, return policy.
 
I guess there's not much to help you with if you are adopting the "Apple is evil and lying" theme to make yourself feel better. No, Apple does not scan every mail sent and received, nor do they do any of the other massive data collection that Google does, such as your driving history, your web searches, your photos, postings, etc., nor do they have a universal identifier assigned to everyone. The reason Google does of course is that over 90% of its entire revenue comes from selling access to you to advertisers. Obviously having your email that says you want to vacation in Mexico is very valuable, ; adding that to everything else Google knows about you, such as your income, marital status, etc., makes it even more valuable. Thus, Google is incentivized to collect everything possible about you as you are their product as they would be out of business overnight if they couldn't sell access. In contrast, Apple makes its revenue from hardware, software and services. But again, I understand that if you are using Android/Google it's tough to admit that your privacy is gone, hence, it's common to hear the "there is no privacy anyways, everyone has all of your data, etc." even though that is not based in reality.

The other myth you are telling yourself is that even though Google knows the most intimate details of my and my family's life, they would never do anything evil with it. To begin with, you must not have read your terms of service, because Google makes it clear that they can sell their data to a successor company, but don't worry if they do, they promise that you will get a copy of the new privacy policy for whatever company(ies) that might be. More importantly, you're missing the point. The reason Apple doesn't collect that data in the first place is not just that they aren't in the advertising business, but they also know that it is a huge risk to your privacy and security to amass that data, especially into a central file system. For example, when you use Google photos, you give Google and its partners a perpetual worldwide license to use them. Now that Google has it stored and referenced all of this data on you in a central file, it is available to law enforcement or government agencies via a subpoena or search warrant or whatever process is used in a particular country. It is available to intel agencies and hackers and criminals.

Its funny that you said I was adopting the "they are evil and lying" theme, yet I never used the words evil or lying. You on the other hand are convinced that everyone but Apple is evil. Good luck with that. I think I'm living more in real-ville than you are. I know that all these companies are collecting information about what I do. I get benefit from it, so accept those terms. I also don't do anything that would be a problem for someone to know.

And by the way, how exactly would Google know my income... not that I care, if they do? There is nothing I've ever given to Google that has my income or any other financial data. Apple has more financial data about me than Google does since they have access to my credit card information for Apple Pay. Google has no financial data from me at all.
 
I have an iPhone SE for my office phone and never use it. I just have the number forwarded to my Samsung S7 Edge mainly so my office does not have my personal number.
 
I have an iPhone SE for my office phone and never use it. I just have the number forwarded to my Samsung S7 Edge mainly so my office does not have my personal number.

Ill take the SE off your hands if you don't want it then :p
 
Its funny that you said I was adopting the "they are evil and lying" theme, yet I never used the words evil or lying. You on the other hand are convinced that everyone but Apple is evil. Good luck with that. I think I'm living more in real-ville than you are. I know that all these companies are collecting information about what I do. I get benefit from it, so accept those terms. I also don't do anything that would be a problem for someone to know.

And by the way, how exactly would Google know my income... not that I care, if they do? There is nothing I've ever given to Google that has my income or any other financial data. Apple has more financial data about me than Google does since they have access to my credit card information for Apple Pay. Google has no financial data from me at all.


I guess you missed my use of quotes and use of word "theme." You are being naive if you don't think Google only has information that you gave to them. Google has an insatiable appetite to know everything about everyone because that is it's business model. For example, why do you think they are trying to install trackers on every web site you visit whether or not you are using their browser or OS? Of course, you have to use an App like Ghostery to see what Google tries to installs regardless of whether you are using a Google service. Why do you think they have spent billions researching self driving cars that they never intend to sell? It's because they intend to offer the systems that record where each of us drives, what is said along the way, where you stop, and to offer ads along the way.

As far as financial data, Google has tons of it on you. If it is ever mentioned in any email you've ever been sent or received. If there's any financial data on anything you upload. They also know what you are buying, where you drive, where you stay, where you live, house information, where you work, your occupation, your family information, your marital status, sexual orientation, etc. Why do you think they are amassing this data and linking it all together? 90% of their revenue comes from selling access to you. When your partner sends you an email with a link to a potential vacation spot, Google has that info (if you are using Gmail), but they make more money by linking it to your income and where you live so an advertiser knows whether to send you an ad for an expensive cruise to that area or a budget travel package and which airlines serve that area. As Google learns and stores every fact about you, that linked information becomes only more valuable.

Why is it so difficult to accept that Google has an entirely different business model than Apple and is incentivized to collect and store every possible thing about you, but Apple isn't? To accept that Google couldn't give everything away for free if they didn't get something in return for your data? Facebook is similarly entirely dependent on selling to advertisers to stay in business. That's why you saw a leaked report where Facebook had demonstrated that it could provide a target "audience" of teens experiencing emotional crisis to advertisers from the information it was collecting on Facebook users.
 
I don't get the first one... is there in any difference between how the people jump, or what?

On iOS the people disappear off the screen to represent how easy it is to lose your contacts. It's common on Facebook to see someone requesting for everyone to forward their contact # after losing or replacing an iPhone. Something that never happens on Android.
 
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On iOS the people disappear off the screen to represent how easy it is to lose your contacts. It's common on Facebook to see to see someone requesting for everyone to forward their contact # after losing or replacing an iPhone. Something that never happens on Android.
Let's not mistake people on Facebook asking for contact information (which happens whether they have iPhones, Android phones, Windows phones, etc.) and something being off in iOS--it's fairly simple to have contacts in iCloud or Google, for example, and still have them there no matter what device is being used. People not being aware of it, or not using those options, or doing something else that can jeopardize their contacts or other information, is pretty much platform agnostic and doesn't really have much to do with a particular OS or company or anything like that.
 
Let's not mistake people on Facebook asking for contact information (which happens whether they have iPhones, Android phones, Windows phones, etc.) and something being off in iOS--it's fairly simple to have contacts in iCloud or Google, for example, and still have them there no matter what device is being used. People not being aware of it, or not using those options, or doing something else that can jeopardize their contacts or other information, is pretty much platform agnostic and doesn't really have much to do with a particular OS or company or anything like that.

So the iphone being idiot-proof, easy to use (i.e. buy the phone use it then everything will be fine) is nothing more than a myth then?
 
So the iphone being idiot-proof, easy to use (i.e. buy the phone use it then everything will be fine) is nothing more than a myth then?
It's all easy to use, but people can still make decisions about what to do or not to do (on purpose or not).
 
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