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Funny, I went iOS to Android and find the experience much better in most respects.
This is the stuff Apple wants to prevent. Apple wants people to STOP trying out things. Because Android offers so many options in terms of hardware (ie device), the experience will vary with it. You can't expect a $100 Android to have the same performance level as $800 Galaxy S9.

Apple is all about controlling and locking you in. One can easily switch between LG phones to Samsung to Motorola to Nokia with very little efforts.
 
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I always find these clever, but those that already have Android find the iPhone too expensive, or just simply out of their league because they already use Android and don't want to learn another phone. It might happen, but Apple should know that these ads are already not help influence those that have Android

Not to mention the Android fans that will say "yeah but the notch" or "Yeah but Android is better because 'blah blah blah'"
there is always a company that will be born
 
The ads are cute but don't appeal to me. They're not going to tempt me from the "dark side." :D I just like Android better as a mobile OS.

It's not a cost issue like some people have stated in this thread. I have a MacBook Pro and iPad Pro but will never complete the holy trinity by getting rid of my Android and buying an iPhone.
 
Sure, offer me a phone of comparable value, I will switch, offer me a $1500 phone, f*ck off Apple.
 
Android device encryption is WAY behind the iPhone. The iPhone had inline hardware encryption with the 3GS. In 2009. The first Android Phone to get that? The Google Pixel in 2016, almost 7 years later.

It’s well documented that there’s a performance hit when using encryption on an Android device (since its software based). This was especially true a few years ago before the industry copied Apple and switched to 64bit processors and ARMv8.

Even Google is aware of this issue. Which is why Google specified a minimum performance figure for the storage subsystem with encryption. If a device meets this spec then encryption must be enabled. If it doesn’t, then it’s optional.
I never said I cared about who had what first; I just provided the answer that the OP didn't have.
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It’s on YouTube which is a social network.
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Android encryption is still many many years behind https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2016/11/24/android-n-encryption/
Didn't say it wasn't; just gave the answer when Android got full device encryption.
 
Astroturfers on full force today.

20+ Posts of " I went from iOS to android and it's better"

Please, nobody believes that. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: Spoken like a fanboi.:rolleyes:
People use a tool that best suits their need. For some the iPhone is better and for others an android phone is better. Jeezus, man. A cell phone is just a tool, like any other. Because the iPhone best suits YOUR needs it must suit EVERYBODY'S needs as well.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I never said I cared about who had what first; I just provided the answer that the OP didn't have.
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Didn't say it wasn't; just gave the answer when Android got full device encryption.
I mean they not only did it later but the way they did it is not as good at all. What I mean is “full device encryption” is different in iOS and Android.
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Sure, offer me a phone of comparable value, I will switch, offer me a $1500 phone, f*ck off Apple.
iPhone 8 costs $699. Has 64 Gb.
 
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Switching is good in both directions. Friend switched to Android and was surprised how easy it was. I like it that they both have tools for camping platforms. I want both of them constantly worried that I might leave.
 
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Late last year I was looking for a replacement for my ageing Nokia Windows 8 phone. I am a very light phone user (mostly carry it in case of emergency), and am on a prepaid plan that costs $10/month. I had no desire to be on an expensive contract, as I don't need all the minutes and data, so I needed an unlocked phone that I could buy outright. I wasn't looking to spend that much - I wasn't necessarily looking for the cheapest phone out there, but something that had decent performance for the price.

As I've been happy with my MacBook, I first considered getting an iPhone. The SE is $469 in Canada, but the screen is a little too small for my ageing eyes. I preferred the size of the 6s, but at $599, it seemed a little pricey for an occasional use phone. I didn't like that it was missing the FM radio, expandable memory, and replaceable battery that my Nokia had.

I ended up getting a Motorola Moto e4. For $229, I got an unlocked phone with 5" IPS display, fingerprint sensor, headphone jack, SD card slot, 2800 mAh replaceable battery, FM radio (free music!), and GPS with offline navigation (very important when you don't have a data plan), running Android 7. It feels very fast and responsive. The camera is at least as good as my sister's iPhone 5s (but all phone cameras are poor compared to my DSLR anyway). I like that I can easily drag and drop music files onto the SD card (it plays iTunes m4a files just fine). For my needs, at least hardware wise, it was a better choice than the iPhone alternatives - and at half the price of the SE. I can't say that I particularly like Android that much though - it feels kind of unfinished - and there is a lot of Google bloatware that I have no use for, and wish that it would let me uninstall, but I can live with it.

I probably would have gone for an iPhone anyway, if Apple would have made a true budget model. As it is, $469 for the cheapest option is still too much, given it's limitations.

I respect your choice.

Are you sure your fingerprint not stored on a server somewhere? I’m sure mine not because I use iPhone. Even if Android stores it locally it’s not even close in safety to Security Envlave approach.

Replaceable battery is good but my iPhone 6s weights ~150 g while your Motorola is almost 200 g.

Android 7 is outdated version. You’re already behind. While my wives 5s runs iOS 11. Mine too of course. That’s why I know I have best security possible.

I have experienced managing Android device with SD cards and it’s horrible. Every action has save option. It’s a mess and not needed complexity where your data now lives in 2 different places. I have 64 Gb storage on my iPhone and I never need to think.

Radio? Really? Why you want radio where quality is bad, there’s no way to choose what to listen and there’s ads. There’s free ways to listen to music legally and have better experience.

I don’t know how dragging files to SD card is better than using iTunes where you can sync playlists, genres and make it work based on songs metadata like play counts or raitigs for example. Works over Wi-Fi too.

I pay £1 a week for my plan and don’t use data a lot. I just can’t afford it. (Buying devices without plan is cheaper than contract). Apple Maps uses much less data than Google and works offline thanks to caching, I just need to make a route while I’m on Wi-Fi.

Now be patient and notice how soon and how many software updates your Android phone receives. If you ever need to service support you have to note that too. I never had problems with support from Apple, they just give me new phone.

That’s why I pay more. Apple will never make “budget” model, they don’t compromise on quality of materials, software and support. You still can save with Apple by using device longer. My wife still uses 5s and it works.
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After watching these 2 videos, it won't make me change my mind to switch from Android to iPhone. If you can show me improvements such as durability, less issues on software and hardware side, weatherproof, battery life, clarity when talking on the phone and speed when using the browsers, yeah those are things that will make me interested. What I would like to see is a full keyboard which is what I see on Android and not on iPhone. I am not a fan of holding down the keyboard waiting for the numeric keys to pop up. When Apple introduced Animojis on the iPhone X as one of the big selling point to buy it, this is definitely not a selling point that would make me switch from Android or buying the X.

iPhone is energy efficient thanks to iOS and chip team. While having less battery size it works longer. Since 7 they started to increase capacity as well. Especially in X.
Apple started to add water resistance in 6s, and from 7 it’s water proof.
Durability improves as well, and you can get cheap replacements with AppleCare.
iOS has a lot of attention. I have no problems with 11 and 12 promises nothing new but more refinement and stability.
Safari is the fastest browser, it even beats desktop Chrome.
There’s 2 or 3 mics to do noise reduction when talking on phone. And if you use FaceTime Audio it’s super clear and nothing like phone quality.
You can install custom keyboards with numeric pad row.
 
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Switching is good in both directions. Friend switched to Android and was surprised how easy it was. I like it that they both have tools for camping platforms. I want both of them constantly worried that I might leave.
I like the way you thinks.:cool:
I wish Apple would quit breaking the jailbreaks or add a firewall setting in iOS. Android doesn't have a firewall, but it can be added by rooting/jailbreak. With no forced migration, rooting doesn't break.:) Because of my obsession with keeping tabs on which apps have internet access (and to keep my data plan from being drained), a firewall is an absolute must. Firewalls lets me block advertising:cool: and keep my data from being sent without my knowledge.:eek: Because of the lack of firewall in iOS, Google has me by the balls.:(
Apple keeps touting security on iOS. Well a firewall is the ultimate security in the hands of a knowledgeable user. Add a firewall setting to the next iteration of iOS.
 
There are no quantifiable statistics for iPhones included at all and absolutely nothing on how quickly a vulnerability gets patched by Apple
Exactly.

Regarding updates, Android has the option of being kept current whereas Apple prevents that to sell more phones.

It's a strategy that has propelled them to #2 in the market.

Good for them. I am opposed in principle.
 
Exactly.

Regarding updates, Android has the option of being kept current whereas Apple prevents that to sell more phones.

It's a strategy that has propelled them to #2 in the market.

Good for them. I am opposed in principle.

There's no debating with you, I'm afraid as you ignore all of the key points made and respond with posts like this which are devoid from reality.

After the much shorter and less frequent standard update period, Android has no option for the masses to be kept updated.

Only for tech heads to amuse themselves by showing off to each other that they have Android 8 working on an old phone.
 
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There's no debating with you, I'm afraid as you ignore all of the key points made and respond with posts like this which are devoid from reality.

After the much shorter and less frequent standard update period, Android has no option for the masses to be kept updated.

Only for tech heads to amuse themselves by showing off to each other that they have Android 8 working on an old phone.
Yeah and smartphones used to just be for nerds showing off to each other. (Ask me how I know -- continuous PDA then Smartphone user since 1999 here.)

You forget that populations change and the "make it dumb and automatic or I can't use it" population is aging out. They are literally dying off.

The people who are replacing them don't need Apple's overpriced restrictive Fisher Price approach.

Yes, my Dad's phone will never get a software update unless a fruit company forces it on him.

But my wife's younger staff hop platforms so fast she can't keep up with them -- they do NOT need or want a vendor to hold their hand. Or handcuff them.

Just look at the progress of home media servers. They went from "nerds hacking their XBoxes" to "literally everyone has one" and very few of them (relatively) are AppleTVs. Apple missed that boat because they have too much contempt for their users.

The adaptable people are taking over and Apple's target market are checking into the care home.

EDIT my point is that you are looking at position whereas I am looking at direction. Apple made a walled garden where they force a large (minority) portion of smartphone users to do as they say or GTFO. A lot of people like that and it helps older people who don't know any better stay secure. But the future is composed of people who DO know better and Apple has nothing at all for those people.
 
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Yeah and smartphones used to just be for nerds showing off to each other. (Ask me how I know -- continuous PDA then Smartphone user since 1999 here.)

You forget that populations change and the "make it dumb and automatic or I can't use it" population is aging out. They are literally dying off.

The people who are replacing them don't need Apple's overpriced restrictive Fisher Price approach.

Yes, my Dad's phone will never get a software update unless a fruit company forces it on him.

But my wife's younger staff hop platforms so fast she can't keep up with them -- they do NOT need or want a vendor to hold their hand. Or handcuff them.

Just look at the progress of home media servers. They went from "nerds hacking their XBoxes" to "literally everyone has one" and very few of them (relatively) are AppleTVs. Apple missed that boat because they have too much contempt for their users.

The adaptable people are taking over and Apple's target market are checking into the care home.

Using words like fruit company destroys the little credibility you had. As the other poster said above, you’re not here to discuss anything - just here to tell lies about Android and iOS.
 
I'm sure they conveniently left out how badly the App Store is designed, how it often has trouble completing multiple app updates and has arbitrary limits to download size when not on WiFi.

All Apple really has to do is make their software better and sell phones that don't have massive premiums tacked on top yet do absolutely nothing that truly would make your smartphone better than an Android phone at half the price.

I use an Android phone but an iPad for tablet and the main reason why I don't buy iPhones is that I don't like many things on the software side and the expensive phones.
"massive premiums"... are you talking about things like Face ID (both the software and hardware of course), portrait mode, etc.? Aren't those the features that help differentiate themselves, as well as justifying higher prices (which they'd like for their margins?)

I too am like your use case... Android phone, but iPad for tablet. Sort of the best of both worlds... I love using an Android, but iOS ecosystem via the iPad. I have an Ipod Touch 5, but the Ipad allows me to run apps not available on iPhone OS.

I actually have a "3rd device"... a Chromebook I use for web browsing while on travel.


Not to mention the Android fans that will say "yeah but the notch" or "Yeah but Android is better because 'blah blah blah'"
TBF, iOS users say these things too. And they stick with iOS for the same reasons.
 
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You mean the updates that slow down older iPhones? Like on the iPhone 4S about 3 years ago which I held of from updating, because everyone who did was complaining how their it slowed down their phones and the battery live got much worse.

If all you got is something from 3 years ago I feel sorry for you.
 
Oh, so now it’s the 5S that “must be thrown out” instead of “every 5 is in the landfill”.

I never said ALL iPhones are current. Obviously older models will become obsolete. The main point, since you seem to be missing it, is this:

The usable lifespan of an iPhone is far longer than any Android Phone, by a couple years (flagships). For the normal Android phones it can be 5 years, since they never get updated AND ship brand-new with a 2-3 year old OS.

“Almost every Android device can be updated to the latest version.” Sorry, I call BS. I’ve done the ROM thing before. I want you to explain, in explicit detail, how you’re going to get Android 8.0 on any device. From beginning to end. And for those that can, they represent a minuscule portion of the population. It’s as stupid as me claiming that if there’s an App missing from my iPhone I can download Xcode and compile one up that does what I need.

I always laugh when the ROM card gets played, as if it’s done by everyone and is simple and painless.
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They’re equal, huh? Google makes 90% of their revenue off your data. And you’re going to claim they’re the same? What a joke.

Google make money from data harvested from using Google services. Do you not use any Google services on your iDevices?
 
Apple should have a reasonably priced phone. Not saying 16GB model or crazy things like that. Just more traditional materials, less tolerances on the build, maybe a slightly less high-end camera, no Bionic chip, fewer cores.

Why though? Apple aren't required to build devices that everyone can afford, and building low quality cheap devices isn't and has never been their ethos. In fact, their ethos is literally the opposite. High quality devices that demand premium price points. And these price points and justified; many other devices of similar quality demand similar prices.

If you can't afford an iPhone, that isn't Apple's problem. They're making more than enough money out of the people who can. And there are plenty of devices, ample devices, even good devices, that cater for the budget market.

I can't see any reason why Apple would, or should, turn the company around 180 degrees and literally go against everything Apple is about. Can you elaborate on your point of view? How, exactly, would it be beneficial for Apple to completely change their business model? What are they going to gain from this?
 
Am I missing something?

https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-se

EDIT* It isn't cheap but I don't see Apple coming in lower than this.

Apple should have a reasonably priced phone. Not saying 16GB model or crazy things like that. Just more traditional materials, less tolerances on the build, maybe a slightly less high-end camera, no Bionic chip, fewer cores. Not everyone can afford the latest and greatest, nor do they want to play the most demanding games. As it is right now, Europeans who aren't particularly rich have no choice but to get Android. I'm not talking about those who buy $1000 Android phones, because they chose not to get Apple in the first place. It's very tough to compete against Xiaomi and OnePlus at that price point. They're good enough devices at a reasonable price. You know, not everyone is addicted to the shiniest gadgets. Then there's Eastern Europe, where people are bringing home $600 a month, not $6000, like in the San Francisco Bay Area.
 
There is no imminent risk man. There are huge XDA threads for those Gcam apps with many people sharing their experience of using them.
If would be a risk if we would talk about some obscure apk's that nobody has heard of and that do things that seem to good to be true. But here we are taking about somebody simply taking Google's Pixel Camera App and making it an apk that can be installed on other Android phones.

Anyway I installed Gcam on a cheap Mi A1 running Oreo. The improvements in photo quality are staggering and with Gcam I cam easily say thta this cheap 190$ android phone takes better pictures than the iphone 6s(maybe even better than the 7 in a lot of situations). HDR+ is simply magical.

Where did you find a download that you trust?
 
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