Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
And........?

Are you implying Apple and Google are equal because Apple tracks users?

Apple and Google are very equal. If you have issues with privacy etc then I would strongly recommend not using any internet connected electronic device.

If you read your t's and c's you agree to when using an iOS device, you are agreeing to the same surveillance and hoarding of personal details of any other OS out there.

At the end of the day most people in positions that require high levels of secrecy have mostly gone back to pen and paper, passing notes around. It's old school, but in these times it's the only sure fire way to control the constant leak of information from digital devices.

Sad but true.
[doublepost=1524555019][/doublepost]
Apple and Google are very equal. If you have issues with privacy etc then I would strongly recommend not using any internet connected electronic device.

If you read your t's and c's you agree to when using an iOS device, you are agreeing to the same surveillance and hoarding of personal details of any other OS out there.

At the end of the day most people in positions that require high levels of secrecy have mostly gone back to pen and paper, passing notes around. It's old school, but in these times it's the only sure fire way to control the constant leak of information from digital devices.

Sad but true.

And on the topic of those Apple ads. Apple really needs to make iOS more of a compelling OS in the first place. At the moment it's a stagnated, controlled boring OS with very few significant improvements for the past half a decade.

Having used a Galaxy S9 for game development on Google Play I was so impressed I swapped over and now use it everyday. The iPhone now just gets used for testing. It's sad, but Apple is slowly falling behind, but has enough money to keep the gravy train running for decades to come.
 
Apple's best add in years is the new one for the Red 8. None of the crappy music none of this "Playground pee'ing contest" stuff. Just a smooth slick add. It shows off the phone.

 
  • Like
Reactions: 5105973
I'm sure they conveniently left out how badly the App Store is designed, how it often has trouble completing multiple app updates and has arbitrary limits to download size when not on WiFi.

All Apple really has to do is make their software better and sell phones that don't have massive premiums tacked on top yet do absolutely nothing that truly would make your smartphone better than an Android phone at half the price.

I use an Android phone but an iPad for tablet and the main reason why I don't buy iPhones is that I don't like many things on the software side and the expensive phones.

Yeah cause tablet apps on the google App Store on android is such a runaway success...along with it’s terrible terrible wear OS app finding system - partner has a new android wear 2 watch so I search for watch faces, it says they’re useable so I go to install and then it says I can only install on my android tablet ! Way to go Google. I use both app stores frequently and find the Apple one a lot easier and much more accurate in terms of my what apps support which devices..
 
Apple and Google are very equal. If you have issues with privacy etc then I would strongly recommend not using any internet connected electronic device.
The world is not black and white there’s levels of security and privacy. Not using anything is the highest level of privacy. Apple services has better privacy than Google’s. It’s not binary, it’s not like you either have privacy or you don’t have it. One of advantages using Apple devices is options to increase your privacy. You not opted in anything by default: Siri, location, developer log sharing, news, Apple ID. You can even own Apple device without having Apple ID and do backups locally. But if you go with common path you still have more privacy than in Google products. For example, photo recognition happens locally, spotlight indexing, finger print data, mail indexing and many other stuff computed locally.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KeanosMagicHat
Late last year I was looking for a replacement for my ageing Nokia Windows 8 phone. I am a very light phone user (mostly carry it in case of emergency), and am on a prepaid plan that costs $10/month. I had no desire to be on an expensive contract, as I don't need all the minutes and data, so I needed an unlocked phone that I could buy outright. I wasn't looking to spend that much - I wasn't necessarily looking for the cheapest phone out there, but something that had decent performance for the price.

As I've been happy with my MacBook, I first considered getting an iPhone. The SE is $469 in Canada, but the screen is a little too small for my ageing eyes. I preferred the size of the 6s, but at $599, it seemed a little pricey for an occasional use phone. I didn't like that it was missing the FM radio, expandable memory, and replaceable battery that my Nokia had.

I ended up getting a Motorola Moto e4. For $229, I got an unlocked phone with 5" IPS display, fingerprint sensor, headphone jack, SD card slot, 2800 mAh replaceable battery, FM radio (free music!), and GPS with offline navigation (very important when you don't have a data plan), running Android 7. It feels very fast and responsive. The camera is at least as good as my sister's iPhone 5s (but all phone cameras are poor compared to my DSLR anyway). I like that I can easily drag and drop music files onto the SD card (it plays iTunes m4a files just fine). For my needs, at least hardware wise, it was a better choice than the iPhone alternatives - and at half the price of the SE. I can't say that I particularly like Android that much though - it feels kind of unfinished - and there is a lot of Google bloatware that I have no use for, and wish that it would let me uninstall, but I can live with it.

I probably would have gone for an iPhone anyway, if Apple would have made a true budget model. As it is, $469 for the cheapest option is still too much, given it's limitations.
 
  • Like
Reactions: riteshritesh
I always find these clever, but those that already have Android find the iPhone too expensive, or just simply out of their league because they already use Android and don't want to learn another phone. It might happen, but Apple should know that these ads are already not help influence those that have Android

Not to mention the Android fans that will say "yeah but the notch" or "Yeah but Android is better because 'blah blah blah'"

well the target of these ads or any ads for that matter is not to get android fans (or people who made up their mind already) to switch to apple. The target audience are the people who are in two minds and also those android users who are considering may be iPhone as their next phone - to influence them and get the market share.
 
Looks like someone is feeling the pressure of lagging sales? :apple:
[doublepost=1524569426][/doublepost]
well the target of these ads or any ads for that matter is not to get android fans (or people who made up their mind already) to switch to apple. The target audience are the people who are in two minds and also those android users who are considering may be iPhone as their next phone - to influence them and get the market share.

I agree. These adds are consistent with the current change in Apple's strategy of trading margins for market share. It's fairly obvious that someone has knocked some sense into Tim. The new 6.1" LCD will be aimed directly at increasing market share. If the price is right it will sell like wildfire. I'm fairly certain it will be, and not at a huge hit in features or quality either. The pricing of the new SE will be the most important for market share as well. I'm very concerned Apple will try to ease the hit on the 6.1" LCD with a price hike of substantial proportion on the X SE. This would have an offsetting effect for gains in market share IMO. :apple:
 
Last edited:
After watching these 2 videos, it won't make me change my mind to switch from Android to iPhone. If you can show me improvements such as durability, less issues on software and hardware side, weatherproof, battery life, clarity when talking on the phone and speed when using the browsers, yeah those are things that will make me interested. What I would like to see is a full keyboard which is what I see on Android and not on iPhone. I am not a fan of holding down the keyboard waiting for the numeric keys to pop up. When Apple introduced Animojis on the iPhone X as one of the big selling point to buy it, this is definitely not a selling point that would make me switch from Android or buying the X.
 
I’ve been an Apple fan since the iPhone 3 and have both the watch and Mac. Recently though I’ve been toying with the idea of going the other way and switching to Android. Apples prices have become too much lately, design inspiration is nowhere to be found and OS bugs have made me want to leave Apple altogether.

If it wasn’t for the fact Android OS is developed by Google, I'd of switched to an Android device after the iPhone 7.
While I respect your reasons, I have had 0 problems with iOS 11, except for Siri, and the prices are the same. Apple has phones ranging from really cheep (iPhone Se, 6S, 6S+, 7, and 7+) which are all great phones, to expensive (iPhone 8, 8+, X. Android is the same, with the pricing of some galaxies around $979, only $20 cheeper then the iPhone X
[doublepost=1524572150][/doublepost]
While I respect your reasons, I have had 0 problems with iOS 11, except for Siri, and the prices are the same. Apple has phones ranging from really cheep (iPhone Se, 6S, 6S+, 7, and 7+) which are all great phones, to expensive (iPhone 8, 8+, X. Android is the same, with the pricing of some galaxies around $979, only $20 cheeper then the iPhone X
Its just that people who use iPhones are on the constant idea that they need the newest phones, when they really don't. There are many people I know, who own the iPhone X, the most expensive phone, and all they use it for is texting and snapchat. I could hand them an iPhone 5s, which you can find for like $200, and they still could use it exactly the same.
 
  • Like
Reactions: WitneySi
Kinda like how Apple made iTunes on Windows rubbish? Oh wait, iTunes is rubbish on everything...disregard.

I'm not sure I understand the comparison. I'm talking about embedded parts of this site, where the choice of software lies with the people who run the site, not with me, and enduser, unlike what music player you use.
 
Am I the only one the thinks the portrait mode photos look like garbage?

Could be. Especially if you're really looking for professional results one would expect with a couple of lights and modifiers, and made by a professional portrait photographer with many years of experience.

I think most who like to make casual photographs of their friends and relatives will be happy with the results, knowing they have neither the skill or equipment to produce the above.
 
Last edited:
almost every Android device can be updated to the latest version. It doesn't matter what it ships with or what ROM the manufacturer makes.

IPhone 5s must be thrown out because they're not allowed to run a secure / current version of the OS.

I don't get how you take that to mean that apples phones tend to be on the current os and tend to stay current longer.

There are a lot of perfectly serviceable but unusable iPhones that beg to differ.

Oh, so now it’s the 5S that “must be thrown out” instead of “every 5 is in the landfill”.

I never said ALL iPhones are current. Obviously older models will become obsolete. The main point, since you seem to be missing it, is this:

The usable lifespan of an iPhone is far longer than any Android Phone, by a couple years (flagships). For the normal Android phones it can be 5 years, since they never get updated AND ship brand-new with a 2-3 year old OS.

“Almost every Android device can be updated to the latest version.” Sorry, I call BS. I’ve done the ROM thing before. I want you to explain, in explicit detail, how you’re going to get Android 8.0 on any device. From beginning to end. And for those that can, they represent a minuscule portion of the population. It’s as stupid as me claiming that if there’s an App missing from my iPhone I can download Xcode and compile one up that does what I need.

I always laugh when the ROM card gets played, as if it’s done by everyone and is simple and painless.
[doublepost=1524575554][/doublepost]
Apple and Google are very equal. If you have issues with privacy etc then I would strongly recommend not using any internet connected electronic device.

If you read your t's and c's you agree to when using an iOS device, you are agreeing to the same surveillance and hoarding of personal details of any other OS out there.

At the end of the day most people in positions that require high levels of secrecy have mostly gone back to pen and paper, passing notes around. It's old school, but in these times it's the only sure fire way to control the constant leak of information from digital devices.

They’re equal, huh? Google makes 90% of their revenue off your data. And you’re going to claim they’re the same? What a joke.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KeanosMagicHat

The only actual figure mentioned in this article is the 24 vulnerabilities that the CIA had on Android phones at that time.

There are no quantifiable statistics for iPhones included at all and absolutely nothing on how quickly a vulnerability gets patched by Apple


Android is not limited like that and plenty of old devices get plenty of legacy support: Nexus 4 was released on October 29 2012 and can happily run Android 8.

https://www.xda-developers.com/using-the-nexus-4-in-2018/

You’ve cited an article here to illustrate your point on Android updates and all it proves is that an old phone can run on the latest version of Android providing you install a ROM created by the developer community.

95% plus of the people who have Android phones would have no idea what I was talking about with that last paragraph, never mind being able to actually install the ROM themselves. Nor would they have any inclination to do so.

You’re putting a lot of time into arguing against the fact that iOS is inherently more secure than Android, but you can’t argue with the fact that iOS is supported on devices for far longer as standard (without the need for ROMs etc) and has many more updates issued during that time.

It’s not even close.
 
  • Like
Reactions: deanthedev

Yep, I saw this. I hope the carriers can get it together and can make the new messaging system work.

The carriers like to do strange things and they all have to agree on this one. For example, I bought an unlocked Note 8 last year to try it out. I activated it on Verizon. However, because it was not a Verizon branded phone, I could not use the visual voicemail app. So, they effectively discourage anyone with an unlocked phone to use Verizon. I like the fact for the iPhone that Apple is in control of the phone. For android phones, the carrier is in control, which leads to a crappy experience and bloatware in my humble opinion. (I really liked the Note 8 by the way)
 
I’ve been an Apple fan since the iPhone 3 and have both the watch and Mac. Recently though I’ve been toying with the idea of going the other way and switching to Android. Apples prices have become too much lately, design inspiration is nowhere to be found and OS bugs have made me want to leave Apple altogether.

If it wasn’t for the fact Android OS is developed by Google, I'd of switched to an Android device after the iPhone 7.

I switched to an Android now I'm back on Apple again. The thing people don't understand about Android is that each manufacturer is different and makes Android look and feel slightly different to another manufacturer. For example, Huawei make you swipe left or right to accept / reject a call. Others just make you touch a green or red button. All these slight differences mean your experience is different, sometimes good, sometimes bad and these inconsistencies run throughout Android phones.

At least with an iPhone, you know what you are going to get it's simple and it works. I probably wouldn't buy a new one though - too expensive.
 
Android 4.0 introduced full device encryption in 2011.
https://bensullins.com/full-device-encryption-on-android-4-0/

Android device encryption is WAY behind the iPhone. The iPhone had inline hardware encryption with the 3GS. In 2009. The first Android Phone to get that? The Google Pixel in 2016, almost 7 years later.

It’s well documented that there’s a performance hit when using encryption on an Android device (since its software based). This was especially true a few years ago before the industry copied Apple and switched to 64bit processors and ARMv8.

Even Google is aware of this issue. Which is why Google specified a minimum performance figure for the storage subsystem with encryption. If a device meets this spec then encryption must be enabled. If it doesn’t, then it’s optional.
 
The only thing that keeps my from switching is Siri, and Apple Maps. Until I can see MAJOR improvements in both I'll stick with Android. Though I do enjoy my iPad Pro.
 
  • Like
Reactions: nburwell
I had iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s. Never wanted the design of the next versions, then Apple doubled down their efforts on killing old devices with every iOS update and that pushed me to an Android device and never buying something from Tim Cook again. Samsung S8 looks better IMO, however Android feels cheap but the Oreo update made the phone faster, something that is impossible to say with Apple devices.

Apple has all those features, but the deal breaker is that I want a device that lasts more than a year or two. Apple wants you to keep buying a new phone every year, and they have a complete program to do it:

1. Kill old devices with free software upgrades.
2. Advertise that your old phone can be "recycled" wih their cool robots and renewable energy buildings so you don't feel guilty of buying a new one.
3. Add new features than only work if you have the latest devices.

If you have no problem on buying a new phone every year and you believe it is normal, then you are a valuable cu$tomer to Apple.

I had my iPhone 6 for three years and was still able to sell it for $200 at the end. If I had known that they would be offering $29 battery replacement, I probably would still have it. If that isn't longevity, I don't know what is?
 
  • Like
Reactions: urtules
The only thing that keeps my from switching is Siri, and Apple Maps. Until I can see MAJOR improvements in both I'll stick with Android. Though I do enjoy my iPad Pro.

I'm using my S8 exclusively this week in combination with my 10.5" IPP. My X is generally my daily driver, but I wanted to test out the S8 + IPP combo this week purely to see what the experience was like. I'm three days in and there honestly isn't much I miss from my X. My group of friends generally use WhatsApp and FB Messenger to communicate, so nothing was lost there. My wife has an 8, so I do sort of miss iMessage since we're now exchanging SMS while we're both at work during the week.

Plus, Google Assistant simply runs circles around Siri. Although I don't know at this point if I would move to the S8 on a permanent basis, but there are a lot of things I do like about the S8 that I wish the X had (ie. always on display, customization, better notification system).
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.