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There's no amount of advertising that will make the Apple Pencil anything other than an extremely niche product. It's not a bad product (except for the stupid charging system), it's great for a small segment of users, but it's not going to "catch on" and become mainstream. And most of those people have probably already bought it.
 
Kid climbs tree with sharp object in mouth and $1000 of slippery fragile electronics under his arm. Now let's see 1000 kids do that and get away with it :)
 
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I must be missing something about IOS 11. I still find myself putting down my iPad Pro to reach for my laptop when I want to get some real stuff done. Things like flipping between applications & copy paste are a real chore.

I agree. I also find copying and pasting a chore in iOS.

First, the curser is not precise enough. In fact I find the Android water drop shaped curser more precise and easier to control, though not by much.

Then double tapping sometimes selects a word but sometimes zooms the screen, depending if you are doing it in an editing space, thus not consistent enough.
 
Nope. And don't see it as limited. I see it as just what I need.



And the iPad Pro pretty much benchmarks like a 2016 MBP at this point. Now, developers aren't taking advantage of that power and I believe it's because when they do it's for a $19.99 priced (or higher) app and everyone is fixated on "apps should be either free or $0.99" and generally refuse to pay much more than that.

Your needs are different, not definitive. What works for some others doesn't work for you.

Aren't we all fortunate to be able to go out and spend money on just what we need, or even simply what we want, and then come here to deride others for doing just that?

The CPU / GPU is not the issue when discussing iPad Pro v laptop , it's the os that is the problem. You can get an iPad Pro that is much faster than a laptop, it will stop be much slower in most workflows . Sure I can use a hammer as a screwdriver, and that is what Apple wants us to do.
 
Why would you stop on your bike ride to add a living room to a guy sitting on a bench, and add fake snow? Why? WHY? Why would you take your iPad and not your phone?
And why would you go up a tree to take notes? WHY? It must be the most uncomfortable thing. I image Barb went up the tree, took a note and came down?
 
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Actually they can, just needs to plug in additional hardware to support a stylus . Though you point highlights the iPad pros only virtue due to the pencil . The issue with the iPad Pro is when it tries to do all the things well that a laptop does, it's an akward experience. And a reason I put my iPad Pro down to use my laptop . In my usage , iPhone 7 plus is most used, and laptop for any productivity, the iPad Pro is an awkward offering - brilliant Device , though iPhone is better for so much as is a laptop
 
Actually they can, just needs to plug in additional hardware to support a stylus . Though you point highlights the iPad pros only virtue due to the pencil . The issue with the iPad Pro is when it tries to do all the things well that a laptop does, it's an akward experience. And a reason I put my iPad Pro down to use my laptop . In my usage , iPhone 7 plus is most used, and laptop for any productivity, the iPad Pro is an awkward offering - brilliant Device , though iPhone is better for so much as is a laptop

I don’t think that anyone here is trying to claim that the iPad can replace a Mac, much less a high end PC used for specialised tasks such as coding or professional video editing.

However, I do feel that the iPad is not without its merits, and attempting to dismiss them outright just because it can’t perform some niche task is counterproductive.

There are things an iPad is better positioned at doing thanks to its unique blend of portability, battery life and ease of use. Why not acknowledge and celebrate that?

Some of the critics here seriously sound like jilted lovers who are simply lashing out in spite because they are sore that Apple has apparently neglected the Mac in favour of iOS (particularly the iPad in 2017).
 
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Nope. And don't see it as limited. I see it as just what I need.



And the iPad Pro pretty much benchmarks like a 2016 MBP at this point. Now, developers aren't taking advantage of that power and I believe it's because when they do it's for a $19.99 priced (or higher) app and everyone is fixated on "apps should be either free or $0.99" and generally refuse to pay much more than that.

Your needs are different, not definitive. What works for some others doesn't work for you.

Aren't we all fortunate to be able to go out and spend money on just what we need, or even simply what we want, and then come here to deride others for doing just that?

I never believe this till the iPad Pro is running a proper full OS (iOS) and then running the desktop version of Geekbench for iOS and THEN compare the numbers.

It's like saying, look how fast you can run, almost the same speed as the other guy, ignoring the fact, you are by yourself and the other guy has his wife on his shoulders weighing him down.
 
I don’t think that anyone here is trying to claim that the iPad can replace a Mac, much less a high end PC used for specialised tasks such as coding or professional video editing.

However, I do feel that the iPad is not without its merits, and attempting to dismiss them outright just because it can’t perform some niche task is counterproductive.

There are things an iPad is better positioned at doing thanks to its unique blend of portability, battery life and ease of use. Why not acknowledge and celebrate that?

Some of the critics here seriously sound like jilted lovers who are simply lashing out in spite because they are sore that Apple has apparently neglected the Mac in favour of iOS (particularly the iPad in 2017).

You are correct. In a number of points , I'm a jilted lover , who has seen Macs neglected and even worse , turned into non repairable machines .

The iPad Pro for the right creative person is a great tool. It's just no laptop replacement, if a iPad Pro is replacing your laptop, you never needed a laptop in the first place, and even a regular iPad will suffice .
 
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I wish the iPad Pro had an ESC key. When I am using ssh into a Linux server and want to use "vi", the only ESC key is the one on screen. Slows me down too much.
 
I'm still using the ipad air 2, but thinking about picking up one of the pro iPads who have pencil.

I think taking notes is a good user case for ipad, as it is very portable. So is the light laptop tasks like mail, web, watching movies and writing texts on the go. I also use the iPad for reading and as a drawing tablet with my desktop PC and my laptop macbook with astropad (hence why I want a pro with pencil).

One user case for me that I would like see developed is: remote desktop. In many cases when I'm not specifically on work and travelling light with just my iPad and phone. I can still remote in to my desktop and laptop with Splashtop and it works remarkable well even over mobile network. I don't have to worry about my laptop getting stolen or damaged when at the beach, hiking etc.

I like to see apple developing their own remote desktop as a native app. I have figured out I can use the Find iPhone App and play sound on my macbook to wake it up and access it with remote. That feature could be automatically implemented in a remote desktop app made by apple. It would also be great if the iPhone could be used as a trackpad for the remote desktop. I also would like to see better matching with the iPads resolution, creating an extra display on my mac for the remote rather than just mirroring the existing one.

Using remote desktop on my iPad allows me to both run iPad apps and use it like a regular computer. It's quite nice.

Something that would be even cooler is if apple made it so everyone who purchased an iPhone or iPad got a virtual mac on iCloud that would be upgraded automatically and where you can do a purchase on your subscription to get a mac with stronger hardware. All accessible and integrated seamlessly into the iPad experience.

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Another thing I like to see is the option for iPhone or iPad to turn into a trackpad when connected to an external monitor and a keyboard and the interface on the external monitor to become macos-like with a windowed system off your apps that you can control with your trackpad or just a regular mouse. That way you would keep the mouse-less current UI of iOS when using just the iPhone or iPad (as this is the intended usage of the device). But it turns into something that resembles a full workstation when plugged into an external monitor and a keyboard. I saw that the note8 does something like this.
 
AR is nice, it is in an early stage but it's clear that will be killer in future. Apple pencil is nice but nothing very impressive. And also I don´t understand why you cannot use it with an 2017 iPad (non-Pro), it has almost the same hardware of 2016's Pro.
 
What I do on my iPhone and iPad is to simply quote the entire text in Tapatalk (which I use to browse Macrumours over the standard Safari browser because it also supports native image uploading), then use Copied to insert the quote tags as and where needed (I have them saved as text snippets), while also deleting the unnecessary text.

One can argue that it's a workaround, but if the alternative workflow you have developed ends up making a certain task more seamless and intuitive than originally, then it's the old way of doing things that has become the compromise. I am very comfortable commenting on Macrumours on my iOS devices because of this.

I am not sure why inserting stuff into powerpoint is so difficult. That's like the easiest part of iOS, given that the photo gallery is integrated directly into the app, and iOS brings drag-and-drop to the party.

But others pretend the issue doesn't exist - this helps no one and fixes or improves nothing going forward.
I agree, there's a way to do it however.
 
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I don’t think that anyone here is trying to claim that the iPad can replace a Mac, much less a high end PC used for specialised tasks such as coding or professional video editing.

However, I do feel that the iPad is not without its merits, and attempting to dismiss them outright just because it can’t perform some niche task is counterproductive.

There are things an iPad is better positioned at doing thanks to its unique blend of portability, battery life and ease of use. Why not acknowledge and celebrate that?

Some of the critics here seriously sound like jilted lovers who are simply lashing out in spite because they are sore that Apple has apparently neglected the Mac in favour of iOS (particularly the iPad in 2017).

You nailed it. The haters need to get over it. Apple is a consumer electronics company that specliazies in smart phones. You’d think a company with more money than God could afford to spend some of that on giving the users who sustained the company for decades products that they love but apparently that’s not a priority even though they’d happily pay the Apple tax to buy them. Time to give up and move on. Windows 10 blows but I highly doubt Apple will be producing a PC or laptop with a decent GPU and industry standard ports anytime soon so the solution is a Windows 10 PC or laptop or a very old Mac Mini for an iOS license and a Hackintosh.
 
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Lets get serious:) No need to spend 1000 $ to be able to take notes. I have the last iPad Pro and used to have 3 different iPad before this. It is a nice equipment, but the use is still limited and I keep coming back to taking notes thebtraditional way.
 
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