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Everything in that “What’s a computer” ad, I have done. If not with the exact apps, a similar one..

But have to ever done anything not in the ads?

If so, you've entirely missed the point, and if not, you are in a very tiny minority. So tiny that Apple just looks pathetic for thinking that is their market.
 
But have to ever done anything not in the ads?

If so, you've entirely missed the point, and if not, you are in a very tiny minority. So tiny that Apple just looks pathetic for thinking that is their market.

Well, I mentioned a lot not in the ad, but here goes:
  • Write and publish a blog post in Ulysses.
  • Write long-form fiction in Ulysses
  • Edit and post a photo from Affinity Photo
  • Use AutoCad mobile to rough out some dimensions for a project I’m working on, and update some information in the field.
  • Use AutoDesk Graphic draw Illustrator-level drawings. It also allows me to draw drawings to scale and is pretty good at creating line art floor plans, as well as Bézier curve vector drawings.
  • Use Things for Task Management
  • Update a Requirements document for work in Word
  • Create a mind-map in iThoughts.
Yes, I admit I’m in a minority. But there is a lot of anti-iPad bias I’ve noticed on the forums where the mantra is still “it’s only good for consumption,” but that hasn’t been the case for a while. Not all work flows work for all people.

I enjoy learning new things and pushing boundaries. That is probably why the iPad works for me.
 
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Well, I mentioned a lot not in the ad, but here goes:

Sorry, I had read that in your post, I was wording it that way to point out how you had it backwards, it's not all the things Apple says you can do with it that matter, but all the things you want to do that are harder.

Most of your list is note-taking or text entry. All it really needs to be easy is a keyboard.

But do you find the iPad to be an *ideal* platform for AutoCad and AutoDesk drawing? I use AutoDesk 123 for medium-complexity drawings on my Mac, and I'd just not do anything at all rather than try to use an iPad for parametric drawings.

If you'd rather to CAD work on an iPad there's not much to say. If you agree a mac is a better platform for that, it just comes back to how idiotic Apple is being here.

Yes, I admit I’m in a minority. But there is a lot of anti-iPad bias I’ve noticed on the forums where the mantra is still “it’s only good for consumption,” but that hasn’t been the case for a while. Not all work flows work for all people.

I enjoy learning new things and pushing boundaries. That is probably why the iPad works for me.

And this is what it comes to. I don't want to be at all negative towards your use and enjoyment of the iPad, but Apple is trying to make it seem like the iPad is the ultimate creation tool for the majority. When for most people it is the wrong tool for all but the most trivial creation.

Clearly you're not the most people I'm talking about here, but then as you say that by definition makes you the minority.
 
But do you find the iPad to be an *ideal* platform for AutoCad and AutoDesk drawing? I use AutoDesk 123 for medium-complexity drawings on my Mac, and I'd just not do anything at all rather than try to use an iPad for parametric drawings.

No. But that is AutoDesk's fault, and not Apple's. AutoCad is a pretty poor offering on mobile devices. It's getting a little better but is a far cry from a production-level application. That said, the pricing models is vastly different so i don't expect it to be AutoCad on an iPad. Some apps, like Affinity Photo, are pretty close to feature parity from the macOS version.

I do find it to be the ideal platform for drawing though. I do have Astropad which lets me use the iPP as a tablet for macOS but rarely use it.

And this is what it comes to. I don't want to be at all negative towards your use and enjoyment of the iPad, but Apple is trying to make it seem like the iPad is the ultimate creation tool for the majority. When for most people it is the wrong tool for all but the most trivial creation.

I don't think there is a majority or a consensus on things in general, especially when you get to creativity. After all, some creative folks consider themselves completely impaired if they run out of their favorite pencils. :)

When I said that something not being present on a platform doesn't detract from what it can do, here's an example: I can't use Visio on my MacBook with macOS. On my day job, I use Visio almost daily round tripping files. Now, during an iPad conversation, not being able to do something like this is raised as why the iPad is rubbish at doing at things and you need a "real computer." to do this. However, by that argument macOS is rubbish because it can't run Visio, or any Windows-specific tool. But it's obviously not rubbish. It's just not the best tool for that. I can't use a Mac for everything on my day-job, much less an iPad. However, the iPad is a valuable tool for me.

I don't think Apple is trying to make it the creation tool for the majority, but rather trying to break down some of the perceptions that the iPad is just great for surfing the web. Typically with these posts I try and just refute when someone says "you can't do that on an iPad" with real-world examples when those perceptions aren't valid.

I like these discussions. They can be quite fun if both parties have open minds about the whole thing.
 
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I don't remember, I tried to find the blonde girl commercial, but can't find it :(
let me know if you find it so I can see it please!

FOUND:
Apple Switch - Ellen Feiss (2002)
The most loved spot (among Cult of Mac members) from the Switch ad campaign!

WHY ON EARTH I have no idea but man she's so clueless, such a lemon and ugh horrible ad.

For comedy 'drunk' (or stoner) version:

The One Ad that never aired:
 
All other things equal, a thinner and lighter device is a more portable device, and the best computer is the one I can actually carry around with me to use.

Call a rose by any other name, it will still smell as sweet.

After spending almost an hour across the web using various searches to find an abscure ad Apple made (in my previous post) I came across an older one in the mid to late 80’s that pretty much summaries what you, Bammy and hundreds of other iPad Pro users in various lengthy threads on macrumors have stated.

In that ad I found, the context was “which is THE most powerful computer” and it was the age of the desktop Windows or Mac between two suits in what looked like a busy office. The answer was very simple “it’s the one that people use the most”, while the other suit states “well that’s not fair, everyone likes using the Mac”.

That’s it and it’s always has been.

I think that people are too conditioned to think of productivity as some blue-collar office worker seated behind a windows PC slaving away at a spreadsheet for the entire day, not realising that this isn't the be-all and end-all of what constitutes "real work".

Dear God ... Apple has ALWAYS strived to avoid their computers as being that worker drone slaving away at spreadsheets all day!!
 
Dear God ... Apple has ALWAYS strived to avoid their computers as being that worker drone slaving away at spreadsheets all day!!
And yet that is one of the oft-cited examples of why the iPad is a gimped PC - because they can’t run pivot tables in excel on an iPad.

Sorry, I had read that in your post, I was wording it that way to point out how you had it backwards, it's not all the things Apple says you can do with it that matter, but all the things you want to do that are harder.

Most of your list is note-taking or text entry. All it really needs to be easy is a keyboard.

It’s a lot more than that.

https://medium.freecodecamp.org/giving-the-ipad-a-full-time-job-3ae2440e1810

The article linked above talks about how a web developer gets work done on an iPad. He likes the iPad because it is, by his own admission, “Less convenient, but more productive”. Basically, the iPad affords fewer distractions, allowing him to better focus on his job. Sounds like a contradiction, but hey, if it works for him, I am not one to criticise.

He even goes into detail how he handles the various limitations of iOS, such as using workflow to automate otherwise cumbersome tasks.

But do you find the iPad to be an *ideal* platform for AutoCad and AutoDesk drawing? I use AutoDesk 123 for medium-complexity drawings on my Mac, and I'd just not do anything at all rather than try to use an iPad for parametric drawings.

If you'd rather to CAD work on an iPad there's not much to say. If you agree a mac is a better platform for that, it just comes back to how idiotic Apple is being here.

If it’s anything like me, he basically uses a Mac for the heavy lifting and the iPad is for viewing out in the field, plus light edits here and there. It’s like what I do with my iPad. My iMac is to prepare the bulk of the resources I use for my daily teaching which I then access on my iPad when I am in the classroom.

My workflow is such that I use both extensively, and if push came to shove, I am not sure I could give up either.

It’s not about which platform is better in an absolute sense. Each shine in its own way, under its own unique circumstances, and certain circumstances will be more relevant to some than others.

And this is what it comes to. I don't want to be at all negative towards your use and enjoyment of the iPad, but Apple is trying to make it seem like the iPad is the ultimate creation tool for the majority. When for most people it is the wrong tool for all but the most trivial creation.

Clearly you're not the most people I'm talking about here, but then as you say that by definition makes you the minority.

I think Apple is simply trying to bring creativity to the masses. If you ask me, an iPad Pro with an Apple Pencil is far more accessible and less intimidating to the average user for what they would do with it than say, a Wacom tablet which has to be tethered to a computer.
 
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If it’s anything like me, he basically uses a Mac for the heavy lifting and the iPad is for viewing out in the field, plus light edits here and there. It’s like what I do with my iPad. My iMac is to prepare the bulk of the resources I use for my daily teaching which I then access on my iPad when I am in the classroom.

This is true, however, recent events are probably going to put the brakes on my iPad use a little bit.

Brammy in 2017
My main personal computing use is writing, drawing, and photo editing. For writing I can do 100% of it on the iPad. Same with drawing. Procreate and Adobe Draw are perfect for my needs. For photo editing, I'm about 95% there on the iPad. Affinity Photo can do what I need, with the exception of use some Topaz filters I like. I also used the iPad to do coursework and submit it. I felt comfortable that I could do 95% of what I need to on the iPad.

Brammy in 2018
I went to architecture school in the mid-90s, right around the time AutoCad came on the market. I worked as a cad jockey for a while. Recently, I decided to get those skills back and do architectural drawings again. Unfortunately, for me, this is where the wheels come off the iPad bus. AutoCad just stinks on mobile. The best I can do -- and this isn't really the best -- is start a drawing or template on my Mac with the blocks I like to use, set up the layers with the line styles I like, and then continue it on the iPad. Autodesk Graphic does let me do some scale drawings, but it's not as quick and easy as on the Mac. For the cad jockeys, I don't have things like trim, chamfer and extend that just make line work easier.

Now, for some of what I want to do, the iPad is still good at. I don't care (for now) that I can't create a 3d model with textures and lighting on my iPad. Back when I was in school and needed to create a perspective, rather than map out the vanishing points and geometry, I'd rough out the view in a 3d program (MacPerspective, I think), print it out, and put my velum over it. I can use Formit on the iPad to do this and bring it into Procreate.

However, this now skews the ratio enough that I am taking a harder look at my "iPad Primary" lifestyle. Because I like pushing boundaries, I'm still gong to continue to try and do as much as I can on the iPad, realizing there will be some frustrations on the way. For sketching out ideas, I think the iPad is still aces. Formit is good for at least roughing out how I think a building or space could look. Similar to the rough chipboard models I made back in the day.
 
abazigal & Brandy both of you should write into Apple your use cases.

I feel Apple needs to learn more about the range and extensive as of what users are doing with iPad in order to help iOS evolve.

As it is it’s still a “Navigator” right down to the AI that is Siri from their old ‘88 ad feauturing a professor and a tablet on his desk.
 
ahhh thanks! :)

What’s funny is “blieb blieb blieb” is the rapid sound of input error that Apple Sustem 7.x made not windows 95B/98/XP). I’m very shocked nobody at Apple caught that.
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Isn’t Apple supposed to be training kids not to be addicted to technology? The only human contact this androgynous kid has is when it says something to it’s ambiguous mother at the end... and doesnt even make eye contact. That’s what I want kid to be like... never separated from a phone or tablet, and incapable of real world communication.

You seemed to have missed the handshake the girl did to the other girl on the stairs of the townhouse near the very beginning of the video. Just before chatting online with the boy with the cast on his arm.

So much despise going around that it’s literary blinding people to the obvious small things they’re complaining about. Or the manners she says at the retail store during the transaction. The old man in that cafe doesn’t even acknowledge the girl about to pass him; not even a friendly smile. So this “thing” you’re mentioning goes both ways.

Face it kids are becoming more entrenched to technology and their education which is not unlike what we’ve known in the Chinese or Japanese culture. Most adults don’t even pay attention to young kids anyway unless they annoy adults by ‘being in the way’ of some sort.

This next week in your travels pay keen attention to adults and young K1-9 kids and their interactions. You’ll be pleasantly or shockingly surprised what you may see and surmise.
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5) The light of the display illuminates the keyboard for me. But I have good vision and type without looking anyway

8) App switching couldn’t be easier in my experience. It’s literally command + tab. Takes a second. It’s actually exactly the same as on my Mac, except on my Mac I always try to cram windows side by side or they’re floating offscreen somewhere.

#5 - excellent. An old school computing practice many of us take for granted. In the 10yrs I’ve worked in IT Tech Support the last 3 has shown me the younger the age of employees are the less they know how to “touch type” a skill that harkens back to typewriter age. It’s almost a pain to watch “hunt and peck” typing on a computer. In the next few years with more mobile smartphone and voice to text use I see this skill fading exponentially.

#8 - thanks I had no idea the Smart Keyboard allowed for keyboard shortcuts. Maybe the animation screen affect for app switching on iOS using touch controls is deliberately made to be slow yet I don’t know why.

8) There is a noticeable lag. Especially when using forms in safari. App Switching on Mac is much quicker. Working on 2 Excel documents side by side at the moment :) Have fun doing that on your iPad...

Nobody can truly work on 2 apps at the same moment - that’s cause the cursor can only be in one place at a time. Sure you can hover scroll through one workbook while data entry into another but that’s about it. ;) yes I’m being particularly cheeky but we both understand one another.

Does split screen allow for two of the same app with different documents loaded on iPad in iOS 11?!
 
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