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I agree with you that you’re missing something if you find those tasks difficult. Drag from below to bring up Control Centre showing all recently opened apps or 4 finger drag anywhere to
I’m a university professor teaching F2F and online, an NSF-funded researcher and author of multiple published research papers, a sculptor and exhibiting studio artist whose nine year "mapping" project is being acquired by a major museum and I am authoring essays and a non-fiction book.

I think you are capable of imagining the "real stuff" I do [the OP denied that one could do "real stuff" on an iPad Pro] as the list of activities is way too long to type. :)
Happy to hear that the iPad Pro is fully capable of replacing the Mac for you. Unfortunately for me, as a studio design manager of a large global corporation, this device is not yet capable of replacing the Macs and MacBook Pros that my graphic designers and video editors so heavily rely on. As a matter of perspective, I can’t speak for any other professional uses outside my own experience, yet the simple fact remains; the Mac is still the most versatile platform produced by Apple. The iPad Pro cannot yet replace the full functionality for everyone. Perhaps one day.
 
Disagree all you want, doesn’t change the fact the iPad Pro is far superior to a useless Chromebook.

You have an amazing talent to change what you're talking about whenever you're wrong. Fine, the useless iPad Pro is far superior to a useless Chromebook. The iPad Pro can be the bicycle and the and Chromebook the tricycle in the F! race. :rolleyes:. They are both total crap not up for anything more than light content consumption.

How is anyone being hypocritical and flip-flopping to always make the iPad seem bad as you've been insisting?

Ever wonder why there aren’t any high-end photo or video Apps (as an example) for Chromebooks and why the good ones use servers to do the heavy lifting? Think about that for a second.

Now who's flip-flopping within 1 sentence. There's no high end photo apps, but there are they just happen to be server based. Well which is it? And with Apple's cloud push and how essential they're trying to make iCloud to the crippled iPad experience, do you really want to go down that route?
 
You have an amazing talent to change what you're talking about whenever you're wrong. Fine, the useless iPad Pro is far superior to a useless Chromebook. The iPad Pro can be the bicycle and the and Chromebook the tricycle in the F! race. :rolleyes:. They are both total crap not up for anything more than light content consumption.

How is anyone being hypocritical and flip-flopping to always make the iPad seem bad as you've been insisting?

Now who's flip-flopping within 1 sentence. There's no high end photo apps, but there are they just happen to be server based. Well which is it? And with Apple's cloud push and how essential they're trying to make iCloud to the crippled iPad experience, do you really want to go down that route?

Except the iPad Pro isn't useless. The Chromebook is.

I figured with your username that you might be a developer. But you completely avoided my point about why those high-end Apps aren't on Chromebooks, and instead deflected by bringing in iCloud.

You do understand the difference between a cloud-based storage system (iCloud) and cloud-based processing (heavy lifting), right?
 
You take a pan and a piece of paper and you make a note! Do people realise that they can still take notes for free and that notes don't need $$$ device with a charged battery? And they even need to create an ad to tell you that a $$$ device can do such amazing things as taking notes?? Wow... I don't know what to say...
 
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Yes, you could simply point to a building, it captures the 3d model of the environment and lets you play with it right away (or later), making it higher, skinnier, changing material, keeping the current luminosity or changing to nightime, changing the weather, wind, earthquake... Whatever.

You could even interact with a physical object that receives your commands and tries to mirror them, making it a very intuitive way of interacting with the real world.

For people with disabilities of all kind, this will become a godsend.

Can't believe the lack of imagination of many here. I'm betting they'd be the first to think that those slow vehicules that always break down are kinda of useless around 1900.
I’m a long time reader and recent joiner but I’ve noticed that a lot here now. I started reading this among other Mac rumor sites over a decade ago and noticed the amount of cynicism and shortsightedness has shot up in recent years. I think the invention of the iPhone caused them to appear here.

It’s the same kind of people that don’t want AI driven cars on the road because it takes away the fun of driving, despite advances would be so beneficial to disabled people. No sir I don’t like them.... People aggressively stuck in their own bubbles of reality.
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By “doing more” you mean more than just watching movies, using apps, playing games, and checking email? What “real stuff” are you referring to, exactly?
Can I answer? I do 75% of my work on my 256gb 9” iPad Pro gen 1 - space grey option.

Writing books, writing code, testing apps, editing photos additional thanks to the wider gamut display, watching occasional TV shows as I find movies better on my lounge TV, YouTube, drawing with pencil, basic CAD, reading and signing contracts with pencil, checking and replying to emails, listening to music, messing around on Google Maps street view, organising my vast Photos collection and creating photo books using 3rd party services, taking phone and FaceTime calls, wide speakers make it great for white noise generating at bedtime, reading occasional comics but not books as I prefer Kindle paperwhite for that, viewing art books, playing rollercoaster tycoon, producing music for my software projects with help of a midi keyboard, browsing the internet, organizing my teams with Trello, keeping track of finances with a nice Numbers doc I set up years ago but can now access anywhere thanks to iCloud Drive. Just from the top of my head. I don’t have any house smart device stuff.
 
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Apple today has shared two new iPad Pro ads titled Augment Reality and Take Notes. The short 15-second clips, set to the song "Go" by Louis The Child, are part of a larger campaign ongoing since last year.

The first ad focuses on how the iPad Pro can run augmented reality apps based on Apple's new ARKit platform for iOS 11.


The second ad focuses on how the Apple Pencil can be used to create multimedia notes on an iPad Pro running iOS 11, along with the ability to draw, type, or drag and drop photos from Apple's Files app. A few clips from this ad were previously shared in Apple's longer What's a Computer? ad in November.


The two ads follow yesterday's new 38-second ad titled A New Light, in which Apple explained how Portrait Lighting offers studio quality lighting effects without a studio and showed off various examples.

Article Link: Apple Shares Two New iPad Pro Ads Focused on Apple Pencil and Augmented Reality
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I never questioned your use case or anyone else’s or anyone’s preference to use the hardware they choose. I rejoice in your good fortune that you are productive in your important work. So am I.

Yet you said:

By “doing more” you mean more than just watching movies, using apps, playing games, and checking email? What “real stuff” are you referring to, exactly?

I hope that you and others are now beginning to understand that "real stuff" is done every day on iPads.

The iPadPro is not for everyone. But it does work for me and many, many others. I never asserted the iPad Pro could be a primary device for everyone. But I have noted at every opportunity that it’s become my primary device because there are others out there who could become more productive if they would explore what the iPP and iOS really can do.

You do see the difference? I’m not trying to take away your Mac or MacBook Pro. There’s no need to disparage others’ work or to invalidate their experience because you don’t use an iPadPro in your workflow.
 
I have a buddy that his company prints a publication, and with the lack of interest in reading physical publications these days, they instituted the AR platform into the physical article that when you launch the app on the iPhone or iPad and scan over the area of the physical article it will show you its virtual content over that particular page in the publication. Now I know there can be some uses for AR I am just not seeing it in the grand scheme of things that it is said to be of an all new mighty powerful tool. I asked my friend if you have to use your iPhone to see this content then if that person already has the digital device in hand, why not just read it online and have all that content already naked in? I could not see the person holding the phone or tablet over a paper article to read the content. It seems clunky and cumbersome.

I remember very early during the iPhone 3gs i Had there was an app that used AR to show you nearby restaurants or other points of Interest and its distance to where you are. I thought this was COOL and will be the future, but i used that app once and thought it was stupid to hold my phone in the air to see things, when I got the same results with navigation in the google maps app.

Oh well to each there own, but I just dont see the wonders of AR.
 
Just one thing, because you really have NO clue about Engineering:

All the shell apps have one or two fundamental Problems. You can't keep connections open for longer than 3-4mins in Background. Also you are not able to jump word for word in command lines via cmd + arrow.

Very inefficient. A 299$ windows laptop would offer a much higher productivity.
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Ipad Pro 12.9 is as leightweight as surface pro (each with keyboards attached)

I've been a damn computer engineer since 1990,
and been in engineering management since about 2000.

Yet, I've done it, oh the pain...
There are terminals with background keepalives now btw.
I bet I'm still more efficient than you despite all those horrible terrible "handicaps".


Go buy a god damn Chromebook if you're so in love with them like many of the so called "Apple users",
yeah right, in those forums.
 
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Ipad Pro 12.9 is as leightweight as surface pro (each with keyboards attached)

Yeah because lightweight matters at all when we're talking about productivity.

If you're talking about a fashion toy to take with and show off to your equally shallow friends it matters.

iPP is gimp because it lacks a good way to drag and select, lacks a meaningful way to import and navigate resources you need for whatever you're developing, marries you to a tiny screen with no larger compatible options unless you want to use your AppleTV as a creation tool, gives you no ability to use accessories, wacom tablets, trackballs, etc

It's a cheap toy for the fashion crowd and that's all it will ever be unless Apple pulls a major 180.
 
So you work in advertising for a living? Would love to see your work.

Until then, seems a bit pretentious to criticize the biggest company in the world and their advertising. Seems to work pretty well, would t you agree? Think they got here because they were lucky?

Seems pretension to presume if one is not in advertising they could not have an opinion as a consumer or viewer. But In never said one way or another, even if I was in advertising...what does that opinion validate? Lot of great AD agencies have duds...and vice versa and in between. As a consumer of their products and watching their Ad, I think its terrible.
I'm a Mac was fantastic and on point. However their I'm a Genius ads were horrendous and awful.



Exactly! It’s all about qualifications and being entitled to express valid points. Like In order to be movie critic you have to run a film studio. Or to write car reviews you have to be a manufacturer.

“Brrrr... it’s cold outside today!” ———— “Go and create your own frikkin’ planet!”

lmao



Apple is objectively great at marketing its products. They are the largest and most profitable company in the world.

There are also movies that are objectively great, so it would also be stupid to call The Shawshank Redemption a bad movie. Apple is the Shawshank Redemption.

analogies hardly ever work.
 
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These commercials are horrible. The girl appears special needs when she says she doesn't know what a computer is but knows what an iPad is. Are we to believe a technology savvy girl doesn't know what a computer is? Apple really missed the mark on this one and I'm even more surprised the brain trust hasn't realized this yet and continuing to run it.
 
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just like Microsoft and VR ? I reckon AR will go the same way. Looks good on paper, but in the playing field its not really living up to what you can do in other same planning to rearrange furniture.
I was on the fence until I drove a perfectly realistic AR remote control car around my house. With AR glasses it would be basically indistinguishable from driving a real remote control car. With imagination you can see the possibilities are extensive.
 
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Seems pretension to presume if one is not in advertising they could not have an opinion as a consumer or viewer. But In never said one way or another, even if I was in advertising...what does that opinion validate? Lot of great AD agencies have duds...and vice versa and in between. As a consumer of their products and watching their Ad, I think its terrible.
I'm a Mac was fantastic and on point. However their I'm a Genius ads were horrendous and awful.





lmao





analogies hardly ever work.
Again, restating what someone else who was wrong said doesn't make you right. It's pretentious to criticize the largest company in the world that sells consumer products like hotcakes.

You're wrong and I'm sorry you couldn't follow a simple, perfect analogy.
 
Yeah because lightweight matters at all when we're talking about productivity.
Of course it does, and to think otherwise is crazy. I get a lot more art work done on my iPad because it can be used anywhere. My cintiq/iMac? Not so much!

iPP is gimp because it lacks a good way to drag and select, lacks a meaningful way to import and navigate resources you need for whatever you're developing, marries you to a tiny screen with no larger compatible options unless you want to use your AppleTV as a creation tool, gives you no ability to use accessories, wacom tablets, trackballs, etc
This is like complaining it doesn’t have parallel/serial ports so it doesn’t plug into a certain subset of devices. If you look at most computers this way they “don’t do” a lot of things.

“No ability to use accessories” You can print wirelessly, you can plug in an Ethernet cable or give yourself extra USB ports. You can plug in microphones, midi devices And dedicated usb audio devices. There is absolutely no reason you’d ever want to connect a Wacom tablet to it because it outperforms them already. You can plug in an hdmi cable with the necessary adaptor and if you really wanted could use it with a monitor (though it’d be weird.) You probably can’t program on it, I’ll give it that.. But there is a hell of a lot of stuff it does brilliantly.

It's a cheap toy for the fashion crowd and that's all it will ever be unless Apple pulls a major 180.
Tell that to the increasing number of professional concept, comic and other types of illustrator who use the iPad as a primary device. Or the photographers using it to control their cameras, writers, etc. If you genuinely can’t see the advantages of extreme portability you’re thinking about it in a different way to the people who are already using them positively every day. It’s only getting better over time, and Apple don’t have to do much course correction at all, just keep going at things like they have in iOS11.
 
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There is absolutely no reason you’d ever want to connect a Wacom tablet to it because it outperforms them already.

THIS! This is why IPP actually outperforms my (now sold, bc I don’t need it) MBP for my work. I’m not an artist, but I teach people online— teach people to do complicated logic problems (LSAT), using an online whiteboard. I used to use a Wacom tablet attached to my MBP. This is SO much better, on top of the fact that since I travel a ton, it’s way more pleasant to travel with the IPP than a MBP plus Wacom tablet.

But, eh, cheap toy. Clearly, it’s all about fashion.
 
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Again, restating what someone else who was wrong said doesn't make you right. It's pretentious to criticize the largest company in the world that sells consumer products like hotcakes.

You're wrong and I'm sorry you couldn't follow a simple, perfect analogy.

How is it pretentious to dislike a less than quality ad? The dislike of the ad had zero to do with he quality of the products. The two are practically incomparable..
 
I never questioned your use case or anyone else’s or anyone’s preference to use the hardware they choose. I rejoice in your good fortune that you are productive in your important work. So am I.

Yet you said:



I hope that you and others are now beginning to understand that "real stuff" is done every day on iPads.

The iPadPro is not for everyone. But it does work for me and many, many others. I never asserted the iPad Pro could be a primary device for everyone. But I have noted at every opportunity that it’s become my primary device because there are others out there who could become more productive if they would explore what the iPP and iOS really can do.

You do see the difference? I’m not trying to take away your Mac or MacBook Pro. There’s no need to disparage others’ work or to invalidate their experience because you don’t use an iPadPro in your workflow.
You are re-replying here to my initial post on the general topic, prior to our exchange. I have already acknowledged your good fortune that the iPad Pro works well for you in your field. I only offered my experience in how it is not yet helpful to me in my field of work.
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I’m a long time reader and recent joiner but I’ve noticed that a lot here now. I started reading this among other Mac rumor sites over a decade ago and noticed the amount of cynicism and shortsightedness has shot up in recent years. I think the invention of the iPhone caused them to appear here.

It’s the same kind of people that don’t want AI driven cars on the road because it takes away the fun of driving, despite advances would be so beneficial to disabled people. No sir I don’t like them.... People aggressively stuck in their own bubbles of reality.
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Can I answer? I do 75% of my work on my 256gb 9” iPad Pro gen 1 - space grey option.

Writing books, writing code, testing apps, editing photos additional thanks to the wider gamut display, watching occasional TV shows as I find movies better on my lounge TV, YouTube, drawing with pencil, basic CAD, reading and signing contracts with pencil, checking and replying to emails, listening to music, messing around on Google Maps street view, organising my vast Photos collection and creating photo books using 3rd party services, taking phone and FaceTime calls, wide speakers make it great for white noise generating at bedtime, reading occasional comics but not books as I prefer Kindle paperwhite for that, viewing art books, playing rollercoaster tycoon, producing music for my software projects with help of a midi keyboard, browsing the internet, organizing my teams with Trello, keeping track of finances with a nice Numbers doc I set up years ago but can now access anywhere thanks to iCloud Drive. Just from the top of my head. I don’t have any house smart device stuff.
Very happy you find the iPad Pro useful in your daily routine. However, it doesn’t yet work for my field of work. I would love to use one so perhaps one day.
 
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Lmao! Best post of the year thus far. Anyone remember GarageBand into with Jobs and John Mayer? Mayer stated “I wish I had this as a teen growing up learning guitar I’d had lock myself up in my room and never come out” as Jobs jokingly said that’s an ad we’ll run.
Here Apple does one better. Maybe Microsoft will joke about this one photo for their next Surface Pro ad.



Not the first time Apple did this. Recall the blond girl babbling on and on annoyingly about her crashing pc before getting an iBook ?!



Clearly you don’t recall the iBook ad mentioned above.


Apple needs to look at what Samsung is doing with Dex allowing fulllinux distros for desktop-mode. Give us more macOS feature set with every iOS major launch.
I don't remember, I tried to find the blonde girl commercial, but can't find it :(
let me know if you find it so I can see it please!
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Ipad Pro 12.9 is as leightweight as surface pro (each with keyboards attached)
Nope, because the surface has actual windows on it.
 
Yeah because lightweight matters at all when we're talking about productivity.
I can give you a very real example of how the iPad Pro has been productive for me. On a few occasions, I have been selected to be the emcee of my school's year-end student awards ceremony. My script is typed out in google docs, which I access and refer to from my iPad on stage. And during rehearsals, any changes to the script can be made directly on my iPad through the google docs app. No need to markup on a paper script and then still have to edit it separately on a laptop at the end of the day.

And because the iPad Pro is relatively portable and lightweight, I have no issues holding it in one hand for hours on end to read from (though it does start to strain my fingers towards the end; imagine if this were a heavier device). The long battery life allows it to last through the entire day without me worrying about having to recharge it. It's really the perfect blend of ease of use, portability and battery life here.

I think that people are too conditioned to think of productivity as some blue-collar office worker seated behind a windows PC slaving away at a spreadsheet for the entire day, not realising that this isn't the be-all and end-all of what constitutes "real work".

If you're talking about a fashion toy to take with and show off to your equally shallow friends it matters.
All other things equal, a thinner and lighter device is a more portable device, and the best computer is the one I can actually carry around with me to use.

iPP is gimp because it lacks a good way to drag and select, lacks a meaningful way to import and navigate resources you need for whatever you're developing, marries you to a tiny screen with no larger compatible options unless you want to use your AppleTV as a creation tool, gives you no ability to use accessories, wacom tablets, trackballs, etc
And in the right scenario, none of these matters.

It's a cheap toy for the fashion crowd and that's all it will ever be unless Apple pulls a major 180.
Call a rose by any other name, it will still smell as sweet.
 
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I can give you a very real example of how the iPad Pro has been productive for me. On a few occasions, I have been selected to be the emcee of my school's year-end student awards ceremony. My script is typed out in google docs, which I access and refer to from my iPad on stage. And during rehearsals, any changes to the script can be made directly on my iPad through the google docs app. No need to markup on a paper script and then still have to edit it separately on a laptop at the end of the day.

I agree with you, but it's a very specific purpose in content consumption; and presenting content is still consumption.

This article is about Apple's asinine "what's a computer" ads which go way beyond a few select examples.

And because the iPad Pro is relatively portable and lightweight, I have no issues holding it in one hand for hours on end to read from (though it does start to strain my fingers towards the end; imagine if this were a heavier device). The long battery life allows it to last through the entire day without me worrying about having to recharge it. It's really the perfect blend of ease of use, portability and battery life here.

Not arguing your point here. I find index cards as cue cards which are easy to annotate, update, and reprint at very low cost better. They're lighter weight, you will never have a problem with a dead battery or recharging, and often times I'll give an associate an entire spare set of cards as a backup just in case anything goes wrong (forgetting the cards).

I understand that is pure preference and I am not disagreeing with you if you prefer the iPad solution, but to say that very specialized case justifies the iPad positioned as a computer replacement as Timmy is doing is just laughable. These ads make Apple look like a pathetic joke in the industry no matter how useful the iPad is for some people in specialized cases.

All other things equal, a thinner and lighter device is a more portable device, and the best computer is the one I can actually carry around with me to use.

All other things are not equal. All other things are never equal, and any expression that begins with "all other things equal" is a null expression. One would be an idiot to suggest adding bulky size and weight to a device for no purpose other than to add bulk. There is always something unequal.

Other than that, all other things equal I agree with you. :).
 
This article is about Apple's asinine "what's a computer" ads which go way beyond a few select examples.

Everything in that “What’s a computer” ad, I have done. If not with the exact apps, a similar one.

This semester in my graduate class, as a lark I attempted to do everything I needed on my iPad to see my pain points. The class deliverables were primarily PowerPoint Presentations. The iPad did fine. They weren’t complicated. I didn’t use any animations or transitions (although the iPad version can handle them). Really the only two roadblocks I hit where I could only add images from iPhoto library and there was no drag and drop. Drag and drop is in beta and will be released soon-ish.

I use OneNote for taking notes in meetings. Procreate to draw with. There is an (admittedly gimped) version of AutoCad I can at least use to mark up drawings in the field. Word on the iPad is ok. The biggest roadblock for me is not being able to create a ToC, edit styles, and the aforementioned drag and drop.

My primary non-consumption uses are drawing, writing, and editing photos. Ulysses on the iPad is amazing. Procreate and Sketchbook Pro are production-level art tools. For editing photos, Affinity Photo on the iPad is as capable as the macOS version. The only thng I miss is using an external filter like my Topaz filters I like. I’m starting to get back into architectural drawing and my workflows on the iPad fit my needs: I use Formit on the iPad to rough out the shapes I want to use as the basis for the drawing, and then bring it into Procreate to do the painting.

I am definitely in the camp that thinks the iPad is a capable device for production. Now, granted, not every production workflow is well-suited to an iPad. That said, for my day job I can’t get everything done on my Mac, so saying a device can’t do something doesn’t mean it can’t do “real work.” In my experience discussing iPad production stuff on these forums, “real work” is often defined as: “this thing that I do, that you don’t do, that the iPad can’t do.”

I feel I am more productive on my iPad. I have less distractions. I can’t play my games on my iPad. I bring my iPad with me almost every time I leave the house. For me, I just wish some of the software — like AutoCad— was better. Even if they added a few features I’d be happy.

The problem for me is the last mile stuff. I can do probably 90-95% of my creative work on the iPad. That last 5-10% is tough, though, and is the only thing that pops up when I analyze whether just using my Mac is better for me. I think it comes out to the same, since drawing on the screen of the iPad is bettert than drawing on my Mac, even with using something like Astropad that turns my iPad Pro into something like a Cintiq.
 
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