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Apple Shifting Some Production From iPhone 12 mini to iPhone 12 Pro to Meet Demand

My current phone contract runs out next month with nothing to really spend my money on going with the pro for the first time, probably a lot like me hence the higher demand for the pro.
Last week nearly upgraded with my current provider, but the 128gb pro was a 6-8 week waiting time in the UK.
A workmate has the smaller iPhone and she absolutely loves it.
 
Decided to upgrade my phone this week and went with the Pro Max instead of the Mini. The one thing that made me change my mind was not upgrading my iPad Pro. Battery is not lasting a full day and I don't use it as much. Thinking of using it just for smarthome devices.

The bigger screen on the phone will do. I may still pick up a M1 Air at some point or the Mac Mini.
 
Here I am trying to find a blue mini but can't find one. iPhone still does not have world wide release. If the Mini is not doing well, I blame Apple marketing team for making it sound the mini like a lesser device not a smaller device. In addition, there is only a $100 difference between the mini and the 6.1inch which will make people think its a better value(might be).

Whatever mini sales are, I am sure its making more sales than IPHONE 12 PRO MAX , so if they are keeping that they might as well keep the mini. We have to wait for a full release world wide.
 
MacBH928 said:
Whatever mini sales are, I am sure its making more sales than IPHONE 12 PRO MAX , so if they are keeping that they might as well keep the mini. We have to wait for a full release world wide.
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Not even close.

The sales data below is just for the U.S. In China, which has the largest smartphone market in the world, the Pro Max has an even greater lead.

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That surprises me, I think it can be explained aspirationally. As first time smartphone buyers want “the best” they go for pro models. Likewise those who floundered with slow tech for years being unable to afford or justify an upgrade, want to achieve escape velocity in a future proof device. Every neural engine core counts so to speak. As a longtime user of smartphones, my hands need a break. I seek a lighter device, One where my fingers don’t have to struggle to reach menu features at the top of the screen, one with thickness to contour my hand, and releave pressure from the edges.
 
4jasontv said:
I think the /s flag suggests they were making fun of the people who hate on the mini. Emotions fly here because it's a forum for enthusiasts. Head over to r/simracing and declare thrustmaster makes the best hardware and you will get equally emotional responses.
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Lol I didn’t catch the /s flag. Mea culpa.
 
Don't forget that many just pay through their carriers and not full price. Up here in Canada it's even more expensive.
 
If they released identically featured iPhones in the three sizes I would get the mini every time. I am an engineer though and unfortunately not having LiDAR was enough to make the mini unviable. Which was beyond irritating.
 
On that note I might buy one (as well as my 12 PRO) just to help advocate for it. Because it is (for me) undeniably the best form factor.
 
I find that I use my mini a lot more than I used my XS Pro. Something about it being more pleasant to handle is my best guess, but, whatever, I am more likely to have it beside me to look things up. Carrying it in my hand at the grocery store also much easier. I think if I were a woman I would have a giant one to carry in my purse but I'm not and the mini fits my jean pocket much better than the XS Pro.
 
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blairh said:
The market for a 12 Pro Mini is even smaller than the market for the current 12 Mini. That's not the issue whatsoever.
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Weird, I've seen so many comments that go something to the effect of "I didn't get the Mini because I wanted the Pro camera setup." I'm not saying we need both non-Pro and Pro mini phones, I'm saying ditch the non-Pro mini and give us a Pro mini. Perhaps that was not clear.

Those that wanted a small phone would possibly still have purchased a Pro mini because they wanted the smaller form factor and those that have commented something similar to what I posted above would have purchased a Pro mini over the regular Pro model. So, in theory, a Pro mini would have increased the phone's market share.
 
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imola.zhp said:
Weird, I've seen so many comments that go something to the effect of "I didn't get the Mini because I wanted the Pro camera setup." I'm not saying we need both non-Pro and Pro mini phones, I'm saying ditch the non-Pro mini and give us a Pro mini. Perhaps that was not clear.

Those that wanted a small phone would possibly still have purchased a Pro mini because they wanted the smaller form factor and those that have commented something similar to what I posted above would have purchased a Pro mini over the regular Pro model. So, in theory, a Pro mini would have increased the phone's market share.
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A tech forum isn't a reflection of the general public.

A Pro Mini would have cost even more. The appeal of the iPhone Mini is the size. I seriously doubt the Pro Mini market is anything but a very niche group of people. Regardless if they make their voices heard on this forum.

The SE is killing the Mini. Apple will never make a Pro Mini. I suspect they will eventually discontinue the SE and slot the Mini in that space instead.
 
blairh said:
I seriously doubt the Pro Mini market is anything but a very niche group of people.
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Except that the non-Max 12 Pro sales are performing far better than Apple's projections, and IIRC, is even outselling the regular 12 right now.

A lot of people, myself included, were challenged choosing between the 12 mini and 12 Pro. I ended up foregoing the telephoto lens that I didn't want to lose in order to have the size of the 12 mini. But I would've gladly paid $1099 or $1199 for a "12 Pro mini" that had the telephoto lens in a smaller package than the 12 Pro.

Price isn't the problem. The SE is still out there for budget-conscious iPhone buyers. The people buying a version of the 12 want the latest phone, and many want the best version of it. They just don't want it in a 2lb brick that doesn't fit in pockets.

For these reasons, I agree with the other poster that a Pro mini would have performed better specifically it would have drawn the distinct line that's missing right now between the "budget phone" (the SE) and "reasonably-sized flagship phone" (the "12 Pro mini").
 
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xpxp2002 said:
Except that the non-Max 12 Pro sales are performing far better than Apple's projections, and IIRC, is even outselling the regular 12 right now.

A lot of people, myself included, were challenged choosing between the 12 mini and 12 Pro. I ended up foregoing the telephoto lens that I didn't want to lose in order to have the size of the 12 mini. But I would've gladly paid $1099 or $1199 for a "12 Pro mini" that had the telephoto lens in a smaller package than the 12 Pro.

Price isn't the problem. The SE is still out there for budget-conscious iPhone buyers. The people buying a version of the 12 want the latest phone, and many want the best version of it. They just don't want it in a 2lb brick that doesn't fit in pockets.

For these reasons, I agree with the other poster that a Pro mini would have performed better specifically it would have drawn the distinct line that's missing right now between the "budget phone" (the SE) and "reasonably-sized flagship phone" (the "12 Pro mini").
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I completely disagree.

The 12 Pro is the size that most consumers will desire.

I can assure you that you are in the niche audience of consumers who will pay top dollar for a hypothetical iPhone Mini Pro. The appeal of the iPhone Mini is the size itself for 95% of consumers. You happen to be in that 5%.

Price is absolutely the problem for the Mini. Most consumers are willing to skip 5G and an OLED panel for the SE which isn't that much larger than the Mini itself and is nearly half the price.
 
blairh said:
A tech forum isn't a reflection of the general public.

A Pro Mini would have cost even more. The appeal of the iPhone Mini is the size. I seriously doubt the Pro Mini market is anything but a very niche group of people. Regardless if they make their voices heard on this forum.

The SE is killing the Mini. Apple will never make a Pro Mini. I suspect they will eventually discontinue the SE and slot the Mini in that space instead.
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Again, I disagree. The mini just hasn't been out long enough to determine its full potential. The SE is a great phone for the older crowd that still want a physical home button.

What I'm suggesting is a trio of Pro models, max, regular, mini all with the same spec's but different form factors.

Then you have one budget non-pro model for the general public and the SE for the older crowd.
 
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imola.zhp said:
Again, I disagree. The mini just hasn't been out long enough to determine its full potential. The SE is a great phone for the older crowd that still want a physical home button.

What I'm suggesting is a trio of Pro models, max, regular, mini all with the same spec's but different form factors.

Then you have one budget non-pro model for the general public and the SE for the older crowd.
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Has nothing to do with the older crowd. Price is King regardless of age. Also Touch ID makes it easier to unlock your iPhone when you are wearing a mask. Another reason to opt for the SE over the Mini, for now.

What you propose will never happen. You are simply imagining this strong market for a Mini Pro model. It doesn't exist. There isn't even a strong market for the Mini itself now due to the SE.

The Mini will always be meant for its size and nothing more. It makes more sense to relegate the Pro models to the size classes that are more popular in general. (6.1" and 6.7", aka medium and large.)

Apple's iPhone strategy was set in 2020 and will remain for years to come. 3 sizes. Only size with both a Pro and non-Pro model will be the most popular size-class.
 
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