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They sold less phones, yet made all the profits. Diversification of their products and services while still increasing revenue YOY shows just how strong of a CEO Cook is. I’m sure they aren’t thrilled to see that number, but their adaptability is impressive. They pivoted when they needed to and it worked. Those claiming Apple is failing doesn’t understand business and how an organization needs to consistently evolve over time.
 
No surprises here. Unless you’re wearing a tinfoil hat and living in the U.S., Huawei has an extremely competitive product line up with 5G to boot.

The 2019 iPhone lineup will regain some market share because they’re finally adopting three rear cameras. But it’s pretty obvious Apple is slowly becoming a follower with regards to smartphone technologies.

You realize they were caught with spyware backdoors on their laptops too? It's not tinfoil hat conspiracy, they actually were caught. Microsoft has a nice write up you can read too!



Finally adopting three cameras...? Since it's sooo widespread right?
 
The iPhone in its current form factor is dead. There is little Apple can do now to it to drum up sales. Removing the bezels was the last major hurdle aesthetically. There are of course ways to make the iPhone better moving forward. (Improve the screen, processor, camera, battery life.) But nothing to really get people desiring to upgrade when their current device works. Carriers have admitted less people are upgrading these days. Also a lot of people were turned off by the more premium iPhone's.

What Apple needs to do is offer a smaller iPhone (potentially the rumored 5.42" device in 2020) and a folding iPhone that works well and isn't too thick when folded. Otherwise the iPhone will continue to bring in less money quarter after quarter moving forward.

I don’t agree. What Apple needs to do is pivot to new revenue channels, such as wearables and services, while still developing and supporting the most lucrative phone platform their is. A smaller phone or a junk foldable phone is just another phone.
 
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You have it wrong. The Chinese government hasn't said a single thing about the iPhone. It's the U.S. government that's banned Huawei and trying to spread propaganda around the world.

I guess Microsoft discovering Huawei's backdoor on their laptops is US govt propaganda too?
 
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People here don’t seem to realise that even as Apple sells fewer iphones, the iphone installed base continues to grow via the grey market. This means that there are still a ton of people using iphones (almost 1 billion last I checked), which in turn means a large iphone user base to sell more accessories and services to.

I am puzzled as to why so many people appear to have difficulty understanding why Apple is doing what they are doing (higher prices, more hardware, more services), much less accept that it’s the best way forward (or even, pretty much the only way forward for them).

Apple will be just fine. Don’t the haters ever get tired of being wrong year after year after year?
 
Apple has simply made the most basic mistake of pricing yourself out of the market it’s a classic mistake that companies avoid well not Apple, never charge too much or you end up pricing yourself out of the market and once that happens there’s no real way of coming back.

Apple smartphone business is basically over.

Well they still have an extremely profitable smartphone business, with a lucrative base of users, so it’s not going anywhere. Instead, Apple has switched focus from a overall stagnant industry that isn’t growing across most companies right now to wearables and services. They saw the need to shift and they have, while still increasing revenue over all. That’s exactly what a company has to do when there are industry shifts.
 
People here don’t seem to realise that even as Apple sells fewer iphones, the iphone installed base continues to grow via the grey market. This means that there are still a ton of people using iphones (almost 1 billion last I checked), which in turn means a large iphone user base to sell more accessories and services to.

I am puzzled as to why so many people appear to have difficulty understanding why Apple is doing what they are doing (higher prices, more hardware, more services), much less accept that it’s the best way forward (or even, pretty much the only way forward for them).

Apple will be just fine. Don’t the haters ever get tired of being wrong year after year after year?

I’m puzzled as to why a 30% drop in sales of a companies major product would be a good thing.
 
Apple reported record results for the US, UK, and Japan. The main problem is China, and that appears to be resolving itself. Their optimistic guidance speaks to continued good iPhone sales.
 
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I’m puzzled as to why a 30% drop in sales of a companies major product would be a good thing.

It’s not, but increasing revenue YOY through new product lines or services is a good thing. The smartphone industry is stagnant across the board, Apple made the call to shift to new revenue streams. To have a huge 30% drop in a product line while still making quick enough advances in other areas shows they made the right decisions as a company. Tough pill to swallow, but they made the right call.
 
I don’t agree. What Apple needs to do is pivot to new revenue channels, such as wearables and services, while still developing and supporting the most lucrative phone platform their is. A smaller phone or a junk foldable phone is just another phone.
Smaller iPhone is highly desired. There is no reason to believe Apple’s version of a foldable iPhone will be ‘junk’.

It’s time to revitalize the iPhone lineup. People don’t feel the desire to upgrade anymore unless necessary. Unlike the past.
 
Here is how I can predict further decline, I won't be upgrading this year or next either. 2021 will be a deciding factor, might just keep using my 2020 X or switch to a cheaper Android and Windows. The folks who upgrade their iPhones and Apple devices like Macs and iPads every years are very niche; probably like 0.5%.

When I walk around the city and use public transportation, I see more Touch ID iPhones than Face ID. Users only upgrade if its extremely slow, broken or they are sometimes changing to another cellular carrier. I was in a store the other day and a guy came in wanting to upgrade his iPhone 6, which has 64 GBs of storage. He said he wanted to upgrade because he is running low on space. When the store agent checked, he used just 32 GBs of the 64 GBs. He still wanted to upgrade.

He looked at all the line up and decided to go with the iPhone 7. So, he skipped 2 generations of iPhones, even the iPhone X, which he could have gotten for a good deal. So, that says a lot about taste. Users remain comfortable with Touch ID. One silverlining for Apple is loyalty. The store agent tried to sell him on a Samsung S10 and he said no, and it was thanks to the fact that he uses a Mac at home.

With how much Apple is messing up the Mac lately, once users change out to Windows, they will have a lot to worry about. Because its at that point users will just give up on Apple all together. The next version of macOS is going into weird direction and I am not enthused with that popular developer Steve Troughton-Smiths enthusiasm about it - he is iOS obssesed. There are some things iOS does good, but I don't think its apps are good enough as desktop replacements.
 
As I predicted, a 30% decline is likely wrong given that we now know iPhone revenue was only down 17% (Official numbers). Sure, it’s significant, but Apple is pivoting.

Services up 16%
Wearables up a whopping 30%
iPad up 20%
Active devices a new record in every major market.

The story is moving to services and those focused on iPhone sales are living in the past. People are switching away...they just aren’t buying new iPhones...yet. In the meantime, they are still spending money on services and wearables.

Stock is higher because investors with real money on the line understand this.
 
Yes everyone is correct that smartphones are lasting longer and longer, and will continue to do so. Hell, the iPhone XS has enough headroom to easily last 5 years.

Phones have matured. What else can they do? Not much more, at the moment.

So Apple needs to continue to push in other areas. The 50% growth in wearables is encouraging and the services business might soon overtake the iPhone, but they need to diversify a little more.

As all hardware matures, Apple needs, and appears to be, returning to what it’s best at: software.
 
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It will be interesting to see how some here spin this big sales decline as a positive.

What spin is needed? iPhone sales are declining slightly year over year. Other aspects of their company are growing in leaps and bounds, year over year.

Thats the sign of a company that realizes that they cant and wont be dependent on only one major product.

guess you are just bitter that you didnt buy apple shares 10-15 years ago like we did LMAO
 
It’s not, but increasing revenue YOY through new product lines or services is a good thing. The smartphone industry is stagnant across the board, Apple made the call to shift to new revenue streams. To have a huge 30% drop in a product line while still making quick enough advances in other areas shows they made the right decisions as a company. Tough pill to swallow, but they made the right call.

I’d be curious to know how much of the services revenue is due to the iPhone.
 
I knew the sales drop had to be huge considering Apple's equally huge announcement of buying back $75B in shares today. Apple is following in IBM's footsteps - using financial engineering to mask an underlying deterioration in its core business. Time will tell how well their growing services business will be able to pick up the slack.

Companies don’t spend $75 billion to buy their own stock when their business is in decline. And even if they did, that wouldn’t mask anything.
 
I’m puzzled as to why a 30% drop in sales of a companies major product would be a good thing.

I didn’t say it was a good thing. I am simply saying that it’s the new normal. The critics are also fixating too much on a single metric while overlooking the bigger picture.

The iphone is a mature product, and the simple truth is that people are holding to their iphones longer. Apple even acknowledged this tacitly with moves like ios 12, which focused on performance and supporting older devices.

A lot of the suggestions given here, such as lowering prices, or even chasing gimmicky trends such as folding phones, are not going to boost iphone sales in any meaningful fashion.

Not to mention that many critics here appear to have this unfathomable obsession with market share (especially profitless market share), when it’s really profit share which matters to a company (and which will determine whether a company continues to stay around in the long term). The Spotify vs Apple Music debate in another thread is a great example of how simply having a great product or idea is useless if the company is unable to monetise it in any meaningful manner (as evidenced by Spotify’s inability to turn a profit after 10 years).

And this is why I am glad that Apple does not turn to random strangers on Internet forums for business advice.

Apple isn’t perfect, but they are not run by idiots either. Apple saw this coming a mile away. That’s why they are pivoting into wearables (we already have the Apple Watch and airpods, and the apple glasses are rumoured to be released next year). That is why I say that wearables and iPads represent the future at Apple, not the Mac (replete with video evidence of the grand theory of Apple), yet the critics just don’t listen.

At the same time, a lot of iPhones are staying in circulation thanks to healthy sales of 2nd-hand units (partly to fund the purchase of newer, more expensive iphones). While Apple doesn’t earn a cent from the sale of 2nd-hand iphones, they nevertheless represent additional active users who then go on to purchase extra apps, subscribe to more services and purchase accessories such as the Apple Watch or airpods.

So there are plenty of ways Apple can continue to monetise their user base besides the iphone.

So yes, if you want to fixate on the 30% number in a vacuum, then it makes for easy clickbait. However, if you look at everything else that Apple is doing, you will realise how Apple is well-positioned to ride this out.

And thrive Apple will. You will see. They will all see.
 
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What spin is needed? iPhone sales are declining slightly year over year. Other aspects of their company are growing in leaps and bounds, year over year.

Thats the sign of a company that realizes that they cant and wont be dependent on only one major product.

guess you are just bitter that you didnt buy apple shares 10-15 years ago like we did LMAO

30% is a slight decline? You got me, I envy you so much.
 
Imagine if Apple instead invested a portion of the $75B into display tech - they would have micro LED screens in no time!

Yes because money magically solves any conceivable engineering, manufacturing, and logistical problem within days of money being thrown at it.
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What matters is gross operating profit. That is what determines share price.

The only thing that determines share price is what a buyer is willing to pay.
 
People didn't take into consideration how much the phone costs when it was subsidized by the phone co's years ago and even then it was $700 tops. $1,000 is just too much for a phone, especially when a better model is coming out in the next year. Apple needs to make better products at affordable prices and that includes desktops. They could win the OS war is they just came out with a nice affordable under $500 desktop that everybody could afford.

Apple isn’t interested in winning any “OS war.”
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It will be interesting to see how some here spin this big sales decline as a positive.

There’s nothing to spin. These alleged sales figures are about as real as unicorns.
 
Well they still have an extremely profitable smartphone business, with a lucrative base of users, so it’s not going anywhere. Instead, Apple has switched focus from a overall stagnant industry that isn’t growing across most companies right now to wearables and services. They saw the need to shift and they have, while still increasing revenue over all. That’s exactly what a company has to do when there are industry shifts.

I’m not disagreeing with the premise of your post. I also agree with your previous post. However, Apple will have to continue to shift, as all business have to. There’s just simply no way wearables and services, especially wearables, are going to do for Apple what the iPhone has. The profit margin isn’t the same and they certainly are not going to sell as many watches (wearables) as iPhones... as in ever.
 
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