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Ask the stock market. Apple is up 5% in after hours trading.

Evidently this forum isn’t for tech enthusiasts anymore. It has been overrun with investors and those who brag about profits and stock price. Is Apple becoming a big, boring services company, like a power company or an oil company? Is that what you want?
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Did someone say it was a "good thing?"

It sure seems that way.
 
It will when you’re dropping $1000+ on a phone which is why they are shifting the focus to a payment plan and financing. But to be fair, Apple has made iPhones able to run fairly well for 4-5 years, and with a decreasing number of wow features and all iPhones operating and doing the same thing from an iPhone 5S to XS, it’s hard to justify the $1000 purchase.

My iPhone 7+ was straight up a better phone than the XR for my day to day use. The XR screen is too narrow so I try to read pages in landscape mode. Then many pages render with text all the way to the side that is hidden under the notch. So I end up trying to read the page in a little 3/8" strip at the bottom. And then that strip inevitably has an add plastered across it. That alone is enough reason to hate the XR and I certainly will never again buy a phone with a notch.
 
Smaller iPhone is highly desired. There is no reason to believe Apple’s version of a foldable iPhone will be ‘junk’.

It’s time to revitalize the iPhone lineup. People don’t feel the desire to upgrade anymore unless necessary. Unlike the past.

I don’t doubt there’s a group of people who want a smaller phone, I actually think that is where the industry will head in the future, but it’s not going to lead to iPhone growth. Neither will a folding phone. They need to look elsewhere for growth, which is exactly what they have done.
 
I’m not disagreeing with the premise of your post. I also agree with your previous post. However, Apple will have to continue to shift, as all business have to. There’s just simply no way wearables and services, especially wearables, are going to do for Apple what the iPhone has. The profit margin isn’t the same and they certainly are not going to sell as many watches (wearables) as iPhones... as in ever.

I agree. I don’t doubt they’ll need to continue to pivot where it makes sense. Wearables (watches, AR glasses, voice first computing via AirPods) and services (Music, TV, News, Arcade, Apple Pay) will allow for new products and revenue streams, iPad has a ton of growth potential, and iPhone is still a highly profitable business. I think Apple still has a very diversified short term (and long term) portfolio that can sustain revenue growth for at least the next 10 years.
 
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People here don’t seem to realise that even as Apple sells fewer iphones, the iphone installed base continues to grow via the grey market. This means that there are still a ton of people using iphones (almost 1 billion last I checked), which in turn means a large iphone user base to sell more accessories and services to.

I am puzzled as to why so many people appear to have difficulty understanding why Apple is doing what they are doing (higher prices, more hardware, more services), much less accept that it’s the best way forward (or even, pretty much the only way forward for them).

Apple will be just fine. Don’t the haters ever get tired of being wrong year after year after year?


Let me make sure I’m reading your post correctly… you are saying that 1 billion people are currently using an iPhone?
If true that’s 1/7 of the entire world using an iPhone? I’m certainly not challenging your numbers but the mass majority of the worlds population lives in the 10/40 window and make less than a dollar a day. If 1 billion people are using iPhones right now then Apple has completely taken over the 1st world, developing nations and a large part of the 3rd world. There may very well be 1 billion iPhone sold, since iPhone 1. But that would include many, if not most, users buying more than one iPhone. Example... I’ve owned all but the “S” models since iPhone 1. 1 billion sales wouldn’t equal 1 billion users. If it’s really 1 billion active users, then consider me impressed.
 
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Apple's "core business" used to be the Macintosh. Then it was the iPod. Now it is the iPhone. It will likely next be Services.

Even with the huge drop, they still posted their third best quarter in company history so the underlying fundamentals still seem to be strong.

That's a fair point - but their services are based around their existing products. As their user base dwindles so does their services.

Personally I think greed and hubris has taken root at the top of Apple, it happens to every huge company.
Before it was, build the best products possible that our consumers will love and pay a premium for.
Now it's profit, profit, profit. Look at how they've neglected their Mac lineup since Cook has been in charge, look at the surging prices for their products. There's nothing wrong with pushing services, but pushing credit cards while giving your putting your Mac products on the back burner for example is a risky (and in my opinion foolish) long term strategy. As it's those products that your services are built on.

Also $1000 for an iPhone is always going to kill your sales.
I think I paid $650 for my iPhone 6S, the XR is $800 and while newer superior isn't all that different.

Apple has needed some fresh leadership for some time.
Cook is more interested in politics than technology.
Eddy Cue is an idiot. He's like that member of the Politburo that everyone know's is only there due to his connections and has no right being in the position he's in.
Aside from Johnathon Ive the rest are pretty easily replaceable. Craig Federighi isn't too bad.
 
Let me make sure I’m reading your post correctly… you are saying that 1 billion people are currently using an iPhone?
If true that’s 1/7 of the entire world using an iPhone? I’m certainly not challenging your numbers but the mass majority of the worlds population lives in the 10/40 window and make less than a dollar a day. If 1 billion people are using iPhones right now then Apple has completely taken over the 1st world, developing nations and a large part of the 3rd world. There may very well be 1 billion iPhone sold, since iPhone 1. But that would include many, if not most, users buying more than one iPhone. Example... I’ve owned all but the “S” models since iPhone 1. 1 billion sales wouldn’t equal 1 billion users. If it’s really 1 billion active users, then consider me impressed.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/29/18202736/apple-devices-ios-earnings-q1-2019

Well, Apple did say that as of end January, there were about 900 million active iPhone users in the market. I am guessing it’s only a matter of time before they hit 1 billion.
 
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I agree. I don’t doubt they’ll need to continue to pivot where it makes sense. Wearables (watches, AR glasses, voice first computing via AirPods) and services (Music, TV, News, Arcade, Apple Pay) will allow for new products and revenue streams, iPad has a ton of growth potential, and iPhone is still a highly profitable business. I think Apple still has a very diversified short term (and long term) portfolio that can sustain revenue growth for at least the next 10 years.

I agree, I’m also don’t believe that Apple is doomed. Although, I will say, none of Apples services have ever really “moved” me like iPhone and iPad. I do have iCloud and Apple Music. I could live without Apple Music. It was just cheaper than what I was spending buying songs each month.

My wife and I used to wait in line for hours on launch day. It was awesome, Apple would provide coffee and music. Was a fun time. Wife and I own Apple watches, but I wouldn’t wait in line for those. Apple news is a no go for me. I think Apples hardware has “moved” people (for lack of better word). That created an Apple culture. I’m not sure services will do that for people. Are they doomed? No way.
 
Not even Steve Jobs could of come up with something compelling and new in 2019.

A macbook with a decent keyboard, user accessible SSD and RAM, higher end processing ability, standard ports, and a price point comparable to the competition is pretty compelling and new for Apple in 2019 and something Steve Jobs would have come up with (and did).
 
Considering the stock is up almost 5% after hours Wall Street has already factored this in.

I’ll pay 1000, 1300, 1500 and more 4 a new iPhone. It always worth it. Apple it’s top technology, i don’t care the price..
You can’t be cheap here if u wanna the best. Also, females always note your iPhone so it worth every cent
 
Yup, $1k flagship phones will do that. I’ve bought the new iPhone every other year on release day since the 3GS 10 years ago. I’m skipping this year. The flagships are too expensive and too big. Maybe next year Apple.
 
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/29/18202736/apple-devices-ios-earnings-q1-2019

Well, Apple did say that as of end January, there were about 900 million active iPhone users in the market. I am guessing it’s only a matter of time before they hit 1 billion.

That’s incredible! Makes me rethink Global poverty. Many living on a $1 a day. The global average, including 1st world countries is $400 per month. How people are buying iPhones on that kind of money blows my mind. I can’t get my head wrapped around those numbers considering iPhones are way behind in the highest populated countries like China and India.
 
I don’t doubt there’s a group of people who want a smaller phone, I actually think that is where the industry will head in the future, but it’s not going to lead to iPhone growth. Neither will a folding phone. They need to look elsewhere for growth, which is exactly what they have done.

A folding iPhone will lead to growth mate. It will revolutionize the smartphone category.
 
I’m sure it’s a ton, but it’s not like the iPhone user base is going anywhere. It’s still close to a billion users, which allows for a ton of services growth.

I guess as long as the sales don’t keep dropping a lot then there will be a huge user base for the services. One slow quarter ain’t going to break them. I think I’m hung up on the 30% figure. If it was 5% or even 10%, it wouldn’t be so shocking.
 
I agree, I’m also don’t believe that Apple is doomed. Although, I will say, none of Apples services have ever really “moved” me like iPhone and iPad. I do have iCloud and Apple Music. I could live without Apple Music. It was just cheaper than what I was spending buying songs each month.

My wife and I used to wait in line for hours on launch day. It was awesome, Apple would provide coffee and music. Was a fun time. Wife and I own Apple watches, but I wouldn’t wait in line for those. Apple news is a no go for me. I think Apples hardware has “moved” people (for lack of better word). That created an Apple culture. I’m not sure services will do that for people. Are they doomed? No way.

Good post. Apple isn’t going anywhere but services aren’t fun.
 
I’m puzzled as to why a 30% drop in sales of a companies major product would be a good thing.
who said it was good. You asked what the spin would be. No spin needed, bc other parts of the company that are wildly more profitable are growing so very well. Oh and now that apple will be in the streaming content game....... wonder what thats gonna look like 10 years from now? What about the fact that they are also entering the health and wellness market with one of their most notably popular products ( which was dubbed a flop on day one ), know as the Iwatch. I guess the phone doesnt have to grow anymore, but dont be fooled, its also not going to collapse. Oh......and don't forget about the 5g upgrade cycle that will come in a year or two and liekly last a few years as well. The phone is mature, but it will still sell 175+ million units or more a year even if its has hicups along the way. It just adds to their user base and will make apple billions more on everything else related to their ecosystem. The phone doesnt need to grow anymore.
 
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With $2k phones? That’s going to be a hard pass for most people, and without volume it’s not going to revolutionize much.
Who said it would be 2K? I don’t expect Apple to release one until 2021. But when they do it won’t cost nearly that much and it will sell like crazy.
 
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