Apple Signs Open Letter Opposing 'Anti-LGBTQ' State Legislation

[Darth Tulhu]

This is the relevant part of your post.

So let me ask again. How can LGBT marriage laws possibly harm someone?

The comparison was "something harmless" vs. "something harmful", respectively.

To be clear: aside from my religious views (which are personal), I do not object to LGBTQ marriage being legal.

 

[Brdl04]

This is the relevant part of your post.

So let me ask again. How can LGBT marriage laws possibly harm someone?



... Right why trust the doctors to present the pros and cons, and the patient to make an informed decision about whether they live the rest of their life in misery or not. Trust a guy on an Internet forum who assures us that these drugs to delay the onset of puberty are worse than cigarettes or alcohol. He's on the internet, he must be right.

How could it possibly harm someone? Ill bite:

Say for instance a soon to be married LGBT couple decide they want a cake for their marriage and sue you if you decide to say “no thanks“....

Supreme Court passes on case involving baker who refused to make wedding cake for same-sex couple

The justices deliberated for months on whether to accept the Oregon case.

www.washingtonpost.com

you are fined into bankruptcy. So much for “ what i do in the bedroom doesn’t affect you so why dont you mind your own business.“

 

[Stephen.R]

The comparison was "something harmless" vs. "something harmful", respectively.

.. I see. That part wasn't clear - it seemed like you were suggesting that same sex marriage was part of the "complication" that might cause harm. Apologies for the misunderstanding on that part, at least.

 

[jeyf]

so you are a black middle age lady going home from work. You reuse to take the seat assigned to you by the bus driver and sit up front...

 

[Stephen.R]

Say for instance a soon to be married LGBT couple decide they want a cake for their marriage and sue you if you decide to say “no thanks“....

Supreme Court passes on case involving baker who refused to make wedding cake for same-sex couple

The justices deliberated for months on whether to accept the Oregon case.

www.washingtonpost.com

... The law says you can't discriminate based on sexuality or religion. If you don't want to bake a ****ing cake for someone's wedding because they're both guys or because they're satanists, your choice is simple: don't be a baker. It's not hard.

Gay people did not "harm" that bigoted woman, any more than the black families who Donald Trump refused to rent apartments to "harmed" him when the justice department sued his company.

I mean **** me, it's a wedding cake not an invitation to an all-night all-you-can-**** gay orgy.

 

[Brdl04]

... The law says you can't discriminate based on sexuality or religion. If you don't want to bake a ****ing cake for someone's wedding because they're both guys or because they're satanists, your choice is simple: don't be a baker. It's not hard.

Gay people did not "harm" that bigoted woman, any more than the black families who Donald Trump refused to rent apartments to "harmed" him when the justice department sued his company.

I mean **** me, it's a wedding cake not an invitation to an all-night all-you-can-**** gay orgy.

I’d just tell my partner, “looks like this person is a bigot. Maybe we should go to another bakery”

NAWW id sue them into oblivion...

 

[Stephen.R]

I’d just tell my partner, “looks like this person is a bigot. Maybe we should go to another bakery”

NAWW id sue them into oblivion...

The couple getting married didn’t sue. They complained to the Bureau of Labor and Industries who sued.

Their (the baker) response was to post the details of the complaint - including the names and addresses of the couple they refused service to, on Facebook, which led to death threats against the couple.

 

[0924487]

who is telling anyone to be gay/trans?

Post-modernist parents and doctors who see them as money cow, and a small minority of very noisy people on social media platforms - Twitter being a big one. They present themselves as forward-thinking figures, journalists etc. and decide what people should think with their incoherent moral hijacking. When you look at them, carefully, you will be like, no thank you, I don’t want your bitter and miserable life.

 

[jeyf]

... NAWW id sue them into oblivion...

maybe not sue them
The Colorado Baker; he had a sweet heart deal with a conservative law firm. They were representing him gratis. The law firm hoped to create a nitch market for them selves.

 

[Prof.]

straights?? WTF is straights?

The opposite of gays... heterosexuals. Literally everyone understood that except you? C'mon bruh, you're smarter than that.

 

[2010mini]

The opposite of gays... heterosexuals. Literally everyone understood that except you? C'mon bruh, you're smarter than that.

wanted to know if that was a derogatory phrase. English words change meanings very quickly.

 

[TiggrToo]

Actually it’s gays who think everyone else is secretly gay.

Total and utter garbage. You have ANY proof of that?
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I think it's you who doesn't understand. The vast majority of gender dysphoric children essentially outgrow their dysphoria and accept their gender for what it is. So no, making life-long decisions as a child is not the wise course of action. Defending this behavior is insane. It's simply using children to push an agenda of normalizing a mental illness.
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Yes, modifying your body so drastically from what it naturally is, is by definition mutilation. No one is suggesting people don't have the right as adults to do so, however. But doing it to kids is criminal.

Of course you have citations for this claom of yours, right?

I knew I was in the wrong body at 3 years old. I spent nigh on 40 years of hell and attempted suicide 3 times over this.

How dare you tell others who been through this what this is, and is not.

 

[TiggrToo]

LGBTX values are usually non-christian values. The mainstream Western society is Christian.

Which "Christian Values" exactly? We talking the apparent belief that "Christians" have more rights than other people, or the belief that "Christian Values" include being judgemental against people or grouos they don't like? Or how about the good old "Christian Value" of screaming 'persecution' whenever one of their special rights is curtailed?

If that's what you're on about, then yes, I agree.

I do especially love the belief that America is somehow a Christian nation, but I digress...

Now, if you're taking "Christian Values" of trying to live a blameless life, or staying in a relationship for life with their spouse, caring for kids and helping then through life's battles, belief in God and Jesus. Then yes, a huge number of LGBT folk do indeed have those values. One of my close friends is a priest, the other an archbishop. Both are gay.

 

[Moi Ici]

Post-modernist parents and doctors who see them as money cow, and a small minority of very noisy people on social media platforms - Twitter being a big one. They present themselves as forward-thinking figure, journalists etc. and decide what people should think with their incoherent moral hijacking. When you look at them, carefully, you well be like, no thank you, I don’t want your bitter and miserable life.

aaaaaaaaand we’re done!!

 

[nylonsteel]

re op
i'm ok with it

 

[jeyf]

the re branding of America to a christian nation was the result of the cold war. The communists being godless and all.

the phrase "in god we trust" mostly came out of a 1956 law signed into place via President Dwight Eisenhower.
there is a wiki on it if interested
see where it got them

 

[masterhiggins]

Amazing! This totally makes up for their buggy software and Chinese slave labor. I now feel charitable about buying this $1200 phone.

 

[chrono1081]

Whilst mutilate is perhaps too strong, children are effectively being experimented on with puberty blockers which will leave (obviously) affect them for the rest of their lives, whether they continue to present as trans or not. If a child isn't allowed to buy cigarettes or alcohol, it seems odd they can be prescribed drugs which do far more harm.

As to "medical experts" in this field, they are only human after all and are just as easily able to cave in to woke politics than be branded -phobic - we have increasing numbers of cases in the UK of trans people wanting to de-transition and suing the doctors who enabled them in the first instance as there was too little time given to reflection but almost keen willingness to provide the drugs they believed they wanted.

Well none of what you wrote is even true so this isn't worth responding to. You literally don't know what you're talking about and I'm not going to waste all day trying to educate you. The fact that you think doctors will just "cave" with puberty blockers is very telling and the fact you don't understand *why* puberty blockers are given in the first place (despite me telling you) as evident by this line: "If a child isn't allowed to buy cigarettes or alcohol, it seems odd they can be prescribed drugs which do far more harm."

 

[ravenstar]

Permitting religion grants approval of the religion by the government and imposed the requirement for me to recognise said religion without my consent.

I realise you didn’t make the argument but that’s among the least defensible/logical I’ve heard.

To be clear, I don't support that argument and have made a number of counter arguments elsewhere. The crux of the matter is really where the fuzzy line between balancing an individual's right to hold and act on whatever beliefs he or she chooses and an individuals rights to experience the same benefits from society as everyone else. When two individuals beliefs don't align we get this conflict.

The practice of religion in the US is significantly different, although often entangled, in that in the US the government is constitutionally obligated not to interfere in the exercise of religion.

 

[Stephen.R]

To be clear, I don't support that argument and have made a number of counter arguments elsewhere. The crux of the matter is really where the fuzzy line between balancing an individual's right to hold and act on whatever beliefs he or she chooses and an individuals rights to experience the same benefits from society as everyone else. When two individuals beliefs don't align we get this conflict.

The practice of religion in the US is significantly different, although often entangled, in that in the US the government is constitutionally obligated not to interfere in the exercise of religion.

My entire point was that a person's right to practice religion stops when it interferes with someone else's rights and/or causes that person harm.

The crux of the issue is that despite "freedom of religion" anything that vaguely falls under "Christianity" will get special treatment by some. I don't remember a lot of the Christian Right advocating against laws prohibiting FGM on the grounds of religious freedom, do you?

 

[jeyf]

people's beliefs are a lot different than refusing service

refusing service in a public space; in the past this got over looked and certain citizens had their own bus seats

 

[Mac Rules]

Well none of what you wrote is even true so this isn't worth responding to. You literally don't know what you're talking about and I'm not going to waste all day trying to educate you. The fact that you think doctors will just "cave" with puberty blockers is very telling and the fact you don't understand *why* puberty blockers are given in the first place (despite me telling you) as evident by this line: "If a child isn't allowed to buy cigarettes or alcohol, it seems odd they can be prescribed drugs which do far more harm."

Don't let the truth get in the way of your feelings huh? The facts are there, you choose to ignore them.

 

[chrono1081]

Don't let the truth get in the way of your feelings huh? The facts are there, you choose to ignore them.

I'm not the one letting truth get in the way of feelings. You literally, and I mean absolutely LITERALLY know nothing about the subject.

We're done here, you just want to hate.

 

[jeyf]

"puberty blockers"
ok, i'm not even going to google that.

you know whatever, you guys are talking about the 1% of the 1%.