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iphone 4, 4s, 5 ... they all have the same general feel and look. the competition is heating up. apple needs to step it up!

And Adroid devices all have the same look and feel that they stole from Apple. So your point is? Let me guess, you call the vendor and carrier crapware a good thing? No, thanks.
 
Apple needs to release multiple configurations of iPhones and iPads each year with limited software support for six to eight months and none afterwards. That's what their competitors do, and people seem to just love it. Poor battery life wouldn't hurt either.
 
Another one of these "Steve would have..." nonsense posts. :rolleyes:
We have no idea what Steve would or wouldn't have done. And for all we know Steve was just as obsessed with thin as Ive is. He certainly made a big deal about thinness with his keynotes.

:rolleyes: is right.

Steve proudly presented the 4th gen iPod Touch with its soft, shiny back that actually did scratch as easily as cranks say the iPhone 5 scratches, and whose screen was the worst fingerprint magnet I've ever seen, which required frequent cleaning because the fingerprints distorted the display. It was also painfully slow at times. The low resolution, non-auto-focusing camera was laughably bad. The 4th gen Touch was merely the best thing available at the time. The 5th gen iPod Touch improves on it in every way and is a great device, period. None of that matters though to people who always thought and still think in terms of "The Cult of Steve". They probably bought his cheap, garish, plastic iMacs back in the late 90s. They've always been the worst thing about Apple.
 
Can thank a stale design and os for this.
I don't think it's a stale OS at all. I simply think the 5 wasn't a worthy upgrade.

I sold my Verizon 4S due to bad service and went back to using my 3GS on my A&T account rather than use my upgrade on a 5. I'm waiting to use it on the new iPhone whatever it may be.
 
I sort of hope the popularity of the iPhone does wain, I've had everyone since the first (when barely anyone in the UK had one) - I've never in my life preferred the most popular product of anything, be it food, tech, magazines, coffee shops, television programs. Most popular to me generally means watered down and mainstream, lowest common denominator. I do not like the same thing that 90% of the general public like.

If that means my iPhones suddenly get more and more unfashionable then great, it felt awkward having the popular phone everybody else had to be honest.

As long as Apple make enough money to keep justifying making them, cos I really couldn't even see myself having to look at an Android phone, I just don't like the design of the OS (or the phones) at all - a Windows phone maybe… but still as long as its viable for them to continue like it is with the Macs then fine.

Funny thing is I've never seen anyone moan about something in technology being stale apart from iOS. They've probably seen everybody kick off when Facebook makes a change and figured, whats the point in fixing something that isn't broke and facing the wrath of millions, like maps!

edit: Oh and for the record I really do think the black iPhone 5 is the best phone I've ever owned in my life, and I've had every single iPhone. Just my honest opinion.
 
Apple needs to release multiple configurations of iPhones and iPads each year with limited software support for six to eight months and none afterwards. That's what their competitors do, and people seem to just love it. Poor battery life wouldn't hurt either.

that's why people buy Samsung

the Galaxy S2 is getting a Jelly Bean update soon

the only thing that apple does better now is games and educational apps
 
Why idiotic? How many years must be kept an obsolete connector?

Idiotic because MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of 30-pin compatible devices are already in consumer's homes around the world.

Switching from Mini DVI to Mini Display Port to Thunderbolt is NOT the same thing. I don't lug my MacBook Pro around connecting it to my car, to my boom box, to my other car, to the dock on my stereo system, to the dock in a friend's car, to the 30-pin connector in a rental car, to the 30-pin connector on the clock radio in a hotel room, etc...etc. Generally, people don't do that with an iPad either. But MILLIONS of people want to do it with their iPhone.

There was NOTHING "broken" about the 30-pin connector. Except, of course, in Apple's eyes because the ability to profit from licensing the connector had reached terminus.

Mark
 
Yeah, I know, trying to keep the level of discussion at a respectable intellectual level rather than inane bickering and insults is impossible.

It's a thankless task. I haven't commented too much as I can't read the original article. Different versions estimating how much they may have cut orders have come up, although the Macrumors article doesn't mention that. I'm curious what they're basing estimates on. It's unlikely that a supplier publicly released such figures. These things have the tendency to devolve into opinions on the current product line.

If I had stock, I would've sold when Cook took over. Now, I don't mean this in retrospect either, as soon as Cook took over, bad CEO or not, I would've dumped my shares.

If it does go back to $700/share, then it'll be because of something truly revolutionary and game changing. Unfortunately that's not a TV or a new bigger iPhone 6.

Are you suggesting Jobs was entombed with the mechanic charged with RDF machine maintenance:D? I haven't bothered to analyze their numbers in any way. They depend to a degree on what kind of growth the market anticipates. The biggest thing I noticed was that several executives sold large portions of their overall holdings.
 
the only thing that apple does better now is games and educational apps

I think you mean the only thing (some) developers do better now is develop games and educational app. Apple doesn't release these games or educational apps.

And that can change in a heartbeat.
 
Negatibe thinking: Apple is not selling well
Positive thinking: the new igzo screen are almost ready and will launch next quarter.
 
Not surprised. iPhone 5 is ****.

While I wouldn't describe the iPhone 5 as the "s" word, I would ABSOLUTELY describe it as inferior in quality of construction and inferior in quality of usefulness compared to the iPhone 4S.

For the first time in the evolution of the iPhone, Apple went BACKWARDS. Both in quality of the hardware/construction, and in the quality of one of the most important apps on the phone (yes, Maps).

Lots of you will disagree. But the reality is in the numbers. Apple's iPhone 5 is going to be the first iPhone that didn't sell as well as the one before it.

Mark
 
There was NOTHING "broken" about the 30-pin connector. Except, of course, in Apple's eyes because the ability to profit from licensing the connector had reached terminus.

The size of the dock connector was becoming a pretty big deal. I would not be surprised if the low-cost iPhone talked about for March wasn't just a 4S equivalent with Lightning to try and push the connector into wider use.

(And yes, they could have gone with micro USB, but in my experience Lightning is actually easier to deal with.)

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There was NOTHING "broken" about the 30-pin connector. Except, of course, in Apple's eyes because the ability to profit from licensing the connector had reached terminus.


Yes, it had a lot of things broken, starting by the fact that it only output composite video and analog audio
 
idiotic decision to eliminate the 30-pin dock connector!

Half the time I plugged in the 30-pin connector I thought "this is too big & too delicate for what it's doing". Too many parts, most of the wires are unnecessary: seriously, I use it with a USB cable, so half the time I just need two wires (power & ground) and on rare occasions need two more wires for data (+d / -d); why the other 26 unused connectors? (yeah, for analog L/R/V ... it's 2013, analog is an anachronism.) The connector is a tab which slips into a tab which slips into a tab - to make that thin, you're talking 3 very thin surfaces, which have room for very tiny connectors. Then there's reversibility: most of the time when plugging it in (in the dark) I'd put it in wrong, flip it over, try again, realize the first time was right but skewed, flip it again, finally get it inserted - why can't they make a friggin' reversible connector? And then if you had to side-by-side the connector with another - have you SEEN the HDMI dongle? yeesh! two inches wide just for two plugs, it's almost wider than the phone.

Yes, it was time for a new connector. Changing infrastructure standards can hurt, but it's better in the long run. That's one basic principle which has kept Apple viable: dump obsolete technology despite the bitter clingers.
 
- Most consumers with an iPhone 4 or 4S don't feel a need to upgrade to the iPhone 5. It's just not different enough in terms of design and they don't see a reason.

- Maps poor press didn't help. Think of the day-to-day consumers who were scared away from the iPhone 5 (true or not) by hearing that there's an issue with Maps.

- iOS needs a refresh ASAP - it's stale as many have mentioned. Great still - but needs a differentiator.

- iPhone hardware itself needs a radical redesign to make consumers want it for the "wow" factor. The 4 had that - they haven't done that since.

- Product refresh cycles need to happen more frequently. And more options in terms of devices.

- And oh yeah, stop shipping devices with imperfections so that won't even become a discussion point at the beginning. Ship devices with premium materials that are impervious to scratches, for example.
 
Software is killing this phone. It's an amazing piece of hardware. Software is 2008 at best. They NEED to address this or suffer worse fate. I've already dumped my stock... $500 and dropping.
 
I was not unhappy with the 30 pin connector however the lightening one is smaller, lighter and can be inserted either way. From what I've seen in practice it is also less likely to break.

It's interesting how everyone wants all these qualities in an Apple product but then protest when they come out.

I do think, though, that Apple should have priced the cables lower to assuage the public's criticism.

Idiotic because MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of 30-pin compatible devices are already in consumer's homes around the world.

Switching from Mini DVI to Mini Display Port to Thunderbolt is NOT the same thing. I don't lug my MacBook Pro around connecting it to my car, to my boom box, to my other car, to the dock on my stereo system, to the dock in a friend's car, to the 30-pin connector in a rental car, to the 30-pin connector on the clock radio in a hotel room, etc...etc. Generally, people don't do that with an iPad either. But MILLIONS of people want to do it with their iPhone.

There was NOTHING "broken" about the 30-pin connector. Except, of course, in Apple's eyes because the ability to profit from licensing the connector had reached terminus.

Mark
 
Yes, it had a lot of things broken, starting by the fact that it only output composite video and analog audio

There were PLENTY of unused pins on the 30-pin dock connector that COULD have been used for digital video and digital audio WITHOUT disturbing the compatibility of existing devices.

In other words, Apple could have released an iPhone 5 with a 30-pin connector that worked perfectly with ALL existing devices (stereos, boom boxes, cars) AND also supported digital audio and video out for NEW devices.

It's called backwards compatibility.

Mark
 
Do you realize how absurd your reply is? You call me a liar for no reason and then say your phone is messed up because you keep dropping yours? What a joke man. There are tons of people on this forum who have accumultated scuffs and the like and haven't dropped their phone once. Myself included. Spare me your BS.

Just be honest. You've dragged it on a table, knocked it on the desk, chipped a corner while it was in your pocket and you ran into something. Plenty of way to scuff a phone without dropping it (and dropping it is common enough, it's a phone).

Phones don't just scuff from contact with with air. All you and your "tons of people" are doing is marring the actual issue : scuffed phones from the factory. That was the problem. Now thanks to some posters who just can't admit they damage their phones (seriously, not like someone really has to try with a mobile device), the issue has been muddied to some "this finish is not Oxygen resistant! :eek:" instead.

Ridiculous. The finish on my phone is perfect, on the spots where I haven't dinged it on anything yet.

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Yes, it had a lot of things broken, starting by the fact that it only output composite video and analog audio

Technically, that's not a limit of the "30 pin connector" which is just that, a 30 pin connector. What signal you pass on those pins is entirely dependant on the controller. All signal on the cable is electric, over such a short distance that no special shielding should be required.

The Lightning connector is simply a size issue. Just looking at the 6th gen Nano you couldn't help but facepalm at the size of the 30 pin connector.
 
But Apple already made millions of iPhones and ramped those factories like crazy from August-November. They might have made too many, so they need to slow down a bit. If 5S is coming this summer, that means there are new parts which are waiting for new production. So things like new screen, new chip are no longer needed to be stocked in high quantities.

IMO, it's an issue with over production, not lack of demand.

We will know after the call. :apple:
 
I was not unhappy with the 30 pin connector however the lightening one is smaller, lighter and can be inserted either way. From what I've seen in practice it is also less likely to break.

It's interesting how everyone wants all these qualities in an Apple product but then protest when they come out.

I do think, though, that Apple should have priced the cables lower to assuage the public's criticism.

I've plugged/unplugged 30-pin connectors from 6 different iPods, 5 different iPhones and 2 different iPads over the course of 11 years. In cars, in hotels, and with multiple devices in my home. THOUSANDS of times.

I've never had a single issue with a 30-pin dock connector. I've never tried to plug one in upside down. I've never had one break.

Mark
 
apple thinks anything with their logo will sell.
well obviously NOT!

suffer apple. everyone told u to put a bigger screen on it. but what did you do?
u go everything right except the tiny screen u put on.

I never wished for a bigger screen. I like the iphone 4 size.
Plus changing a high tech mobile device every two years sounds like a stupid white men idea to me.
 
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