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Apple Sneaks Up on Motorola in Mobile Phone Sales, Android Surges Past iOS
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Žalgiris;10819591 said:
I don't really think I have a bias. I'm not saying the facts presented are wrong or unimportant. I'm saying he is using these fact to support a conclusion that is tenuous a best and that doesn't really have anything to do with the facts, anyway. Regardless of the facts, he would come to the same conclusion and there is really no point in having a discussion with such a person; you don't learn anything new and he will continue to cherry pick around anything that doesn't support his argument.
I, on the other hand, am saying that it is way too early to draw any kind of conclusion. By the way, I don't really want to see Apple fail. I am an Apple customer after all, just not one that leaves critical thinking at the door.
But has Google? No?
Apple is making money hand over fist with iOS, because they make money on every device which has the software.
Google does not make a dime on any of the Android devices. They're betting the farm that they will see increase search traffic on these mobile devices.
But Apple is proving that user behavior is different on a mobile device. Instead of going to Google to do a search, then user goes to an app.
If this turns out to be true on Android phones too, then Google will need to either force developers to depend on Google search or charge for the Android.
And that is the big difference between iOS and Android today and Mac OS and Windows yesterday. Microsoft was making money on every PC that had their OS, where Google is not.
Sweet, so if you don't have an Exchange server all you have to do to get your data from your Android device to your Mac or vice-versa is run it through Google's servers.
Apple would be wise to copy this policy.
An admittedly skanky workaround would be to jailbreak the iPhone, get the app for free, try it out, and then buy it through iTunes if you find it worth keeping (and remove it from your device if you don't). I don't do this (my iPhone isn't jailbroken), and it's too bad you'd have to resort to such a trick to demo software, but alas it's the only way under Apple's current policy. Though there are iOS developers who offer money-back guarantees, FWIW.
I used to be ambivalent about Android until my eyeballs became assaulted on every tech website on the planet (including MacRumors) by the "ANDROID FTW!" fan brigade. Comment on Engadget favorable to iPhone: downranked to oblivion. Comment on Engaget favorable to Android: highest ranked. Comment on Engadget favorable to Android while simultaneously slamming iPhone: double bonus! It seems to be like this everywhere. I've never seen anything quite like it. Kudos to Google for a very successful propaganda war thus far.
As I've mentioned before, I can't wait for WinPho 7 to enter the fray and see the Redmond Horde engage the Fandroid Army (previously united by Apple hate, now torn asunder by competing agendas). Things are gonna get bloody!
lol, a iphone4 cost about 40% more than same quality android phone in my country (bought unlocked or with a contract). You have to include total ownership cost, not only the initial cost.
I can tell you this: I have many friends/relatives/coworkers who have been waiting patiently for the iPhone on their carrier of choice. They are now starting to buckle and buy Android devices. Not because they prefer them, but because they just can't wait any longer.
Their typically comment to me after purchase: "Well, it's no iPhone, that's for sure, but it's all I could get."
Dear Apple: if your potential customers buy a competing device due solely to a lack of availability of your own product, you blew it.
Oh, I didn't realize US sales didn't contribute significantly to worldwide sales figures.
Did you imply except when that software is made by Apple?
Otherwise you would be contradicting your own point that somehow through Apple's more secure distribution policies or over-the-top secure coding practices we won't see any malware on iPhones. iPhones aren't even the underdogs (yet) to claim that they will benefit from security-thru-obscurity.So what means it doesn't matter - in that sense it _is_ a rebuttal. Platform security problems? Like what? It's a Virtual Machine based, secure, sand-boxed and well thought out implementation for crying out loud. WAAY more secure to code in Java than in any native language. So what "Platform" problems are we talking about here specifically - lack of obscurity perhaps? If so I don't buy it - first it's ridiculous and second iPhones aren't exactly obscure to be a less attractive target - far from it.
People are jail breaking iPhones by visiting a website - is it not enough a proof? Or do you see some reason crackers will shy away from pwning the well connected and heavy web using iPhone users?
I don't understand why you are so subscribed to security-through-obscurity or security-through-locked-down-app-store. Tell me why somebody won't be able to build an app for the iPhone with a buffer overflow in the code that can be triggered when you do some obscure action. Imagine the possibilities - if I can root my phone by visiting a web site - what can I get if I have a bunch of exploitable apps (intentionally or unintentionally) and how Apple will prevent those apps from being distributed?
These are WW sales. I have *never* seen a RIM device in Norway, nor Belgium, nor in the UK.
A lot of iPhones are here, though Android is gaining popularity through the Samsung devices and HTC Desire (pretty much the same as the Google Nexus One). Moving down a tier, there are a lot of Sony Ericsson and Nokia phones and with zero Motorola presence.
Note that in many parts of the EU, phones are sold unlocked, i.e. not carrier subsidised.
ok, now android sells more than iPhone , over and done.
Move on...
Steve has said that apple's goal is to make the best of what they do, not the most of every thing...
So now we are there... Done.
Droid is Linux after all, so it is still satisfying that Linux is ahead, even if clothed in google's clothes.
Move on...
Steve has said that apple's goal is to make the best of what they do, not the most of every thing...
So now we are there... Done.
Droid is Linux after all, so it is still satisfying that Linux is ahead, even if clothed in google's clothes.
thats is correct, i think it is sad that it takes so may devices for android to reach that high in numbers that means poor sales for each company. they can't compete.
Oh, I didn't realize US sales didn't contribute significantly to worldwide sales figures.
Of course they do but it's not going to totally wipe out the worldwide market share of Android phones if Apple gains a few million sales a year when (and if) they eventually get round to selling the iPhone on the other US networks.
within a few months, the iPhone 4 will be obsolete, and apple fankids will have to wait for Jobs to announce the next iPhone. I like options and choices. Forutnately Android allows me to pick from a multitude of handsets. Keep on truckin Android.
You Cannot Stop The Android Army.
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You Cannot Stop The Android Army.
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Sorry, but that's like asking a drug addict if he is addicted to drugs. Everyone is biased in some way. I know i am it would be stupid to deny.
It's true, Apple have huge markups on any iPhone sold and Google will never get near to that profit margin per smartphone sold. They do however make money by offering their own proprietary apps to the vendors, have the marketplace, and obviously have their ad revenue - which will be huge in the mobile space. They also control the whole Android development process, which is of immense intellectual value.
Google's strategy is obviously to get Android on as many devices as possible. Only then will they see the high revenue returns to justify their investment. So far it seems to be working.
Did you imply except when that software is made by Apple?
So what means it doesn't matter - in that sense it _is_ a rebuttal. Platform security problems? Like what? It's a Virtual Machine based, secure, sand-boxed and well thought out implementation for crying out loud. WAAY more secure to code in Java than in any native language. So what "Platform" problems are we talking about here specifically - lack of obscurity perhaps? If so I don't buy it - first it's ridiculous and second iPhones aren't exactly obscure to be a less attractive target - far from it.
People are jail breaking iPhones by visiting a website - is it not enough a proof? Or do you see some reason crackers will shy away from pwning the well connected and heavy web using iPhone users?
I don't understand why you are so subscribed to security-through-obscurity or security-through-locked-down-app-store. Tell me why somebody won't be able to build an app for the iPhone with a buffer overflow in the code that can be triggered when you do some obscure action. Imagine the possibilities - if I can root my phone by visiting a web site - what can I get if I have a bunch of exploitable apps (intentionally or unintentionally) and how Apple will prevent those apps from being distributed?
He didn't imply in any way that iPhones are more secure than Android phones. I'm not sure what you are arguing about.
I implied no such thing. My personal hope is that Android achieves (and maintains) a majority mobile share to attract all the malware so I can enjoy a higher-quality experience on my minority iOS device.
Of course it matters.
Again, I never claimed iPhones are impervious or even more secure than Android devices. My argument is that mobile computing is the future, that malware creators are going to turn their cannons in the direction of the mobile computing market, and personally I'd prefer not to be the largest target when the shrapnel starts to fly.
It's called rational thinking.
I don't argue that somebody can't. But they'll certainly have a harder time getting it through Apple's gatekeeper process than they will through Android's "Hey, sell or give away whatever you want, we don't care!" philosophy. Add Android's blooming market share and if I'm a malware evildoer, I'll tell you exactly where I'm headed: Android's place. You'd be a fool not to.
Alas, the strawman argument is the easy way out.
Meaningless
Why does smart phone market share matter when iOS and Android are both offered on more than just smart phones? Smart phone market share data is becoming more and more meaningless.
http://missingdigit.tumblr.com/post/920042978/android-vs-iphone-the-meaninglessness-of-market-share
Why does smart phone market share matter when iOS and Android are both offered on more than just smart phones? Smart phone market share data is becoming more and more meaningless.
http://missingdigit.tumblr.com/post/920042978/android-vs-iphone-the-meaninglessness-of-market-share
Well, I've been a mac guy since 7100/66...I have wanted an iphone since day one but have always been partial to Verizon. So I decided to jump and get a droid x, it nice. Is it comparable...it's similar and will do way more than I'll ever need and will(with a little effort) sync with my mac. If the iphone had been on Verizon I would have purchased it.
If you ask me, Android is ahead because of HTC. Samsung rarely makes quality phones (Epic 4G), but Motorola is just poor quality imho. All my friends and I agree that HTC makes the best phones for the Android platform, and if I were to ever buy an Android phone, it would be manufactured by HTC. People love HTC and that's why Android is ahead. As we all know, Apple makes the gorgeous iPhone, but HTC has a wider array of phones on different networks, hence the number one Android spot. The iPhone will claim it again once the iPod refresh is announced.. Just watch.
Say, where is my favorite little company Palm in all of this?!
Say, where is my favorite little company Palm in all of this?!
Would you assert that if Verizon and Sprint and T-Mobile customers (yes, I'm talking US here as that's the only market I'm familiar with) suddenly had a iPhone and an Android device in front of them to choose from, where before they only had an Android device, that Android wouldn't lose sales?
You're the nicest Android user I've ever met that doesn't want to snap the iPhone in half. :3