Apple Sneaks Up on Motorola in Mobile Phone Sales, Android Surges Past iOS

[macsmurf]

And you continue to ignore that a locked-down app store nonetheless offers more security benefits than one with a wide-open front door where the environment is equivalent (Compton).

Not true. There are numerous examples of locked down systems being broken because of the system being locked down.

One example is the GSM system. The encryption was fairly quickly broken because the designers had used a weak proprietary scheme. Had they taken a more public approach or used a public crypto system, chances are that they would have avoided this issue.

There is also a rather recent example of the iPhone security being completely circumvented.

 

[9secondadidas]

Well, I've been a mac guy since 7100/66...I have wanted an iphone since day one but have always been partial to Verizon. So I decided to jump and get a droid x, it nice. Is it comparable...it's similar and will do way more than I'll ever need and will(with a little effort) sync with my mac. If the iphone had been on Verizon I would have purchased it.

I'm in a similar situation. I did have an iPhone for up until the whole fiasco with the iPhone 4 antenna issues. That compounded with AT&T's crappy service here in NYC, I jumped to Verizon and bought a Droid X. The over all experience is not as polished as the iOS experience, but it is a solid platform and Verizon's service is much, much better than AT&Ts. Then again, if they announce the iPhone4 for Verizon, and I can hold it anyway I want without dropping calls, I'll probably switch back. I dunno, you really can't go wrong with either platform. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Cvstos]

I'm not surprised at all, I always knew Android would eventually out-sell the iPhone. It's on more phones and available on every major carrier. It just makes sense.

That being said, Apple is still gonna sell millions and millions of iPhone units, more than enough for developers to keep making tons of apps. I bet we'll see even more iPhones sold if Apple finally wises up and puts the iPhone on other carriers. Really, they should put it on all four of the major carriers in the US.

 

[Michael CM1]

It's hard to beat people in terms of numbers when you don't literally give phones away. Apple would rather make a good phone instead of one everybody has. I would also rather give Apple money than Google since the goog is on its way toward killing net neutrality.

 

[afcs]

As others have noted, it is not so much about the user interface as it is about the availability of different carriers. That is all it is for me. I would much rather use an iPhone any day. I just refuse AT&T


Strange I would say.....I have had no problems with either AT&t or Iphone so far...I think that apple is not concerned about it. People have to wait 3-5 weeks to gets their Iphones.....and as soon as Iphones get to the stores they are gone.

 

[LagunaSol]

Not true. There are numerous examples of locked down systems being broken because of the system being locked down.

Yes, true. You continue to ignore my point. I didn't say locked down systems can't be broken. I'm saying locked down systems are inherently safer than unlocked systems.

One example is the GSM system. The encryption was fairly quickly broken because the designers had used a weak proprietary scheme. Had they taken a more public approach or used a public crypto system, chances are that they would have avoided this issue.

You're going to use "chances are" as your rebuttal? Seriously???

Chances are you're completely wrong on this point.

There is also a rather recent example of the iPhone security being completely circumvented.

This jailbreak browser hole has nothing to do with the merits of a regulated app store vs. an unregulated one.

 

[John Dillinger]

Fine with me. I'd rather not have something that everyone else has. Mac, iPhone, '74 VW Karrmann Ghia convertible, custom furniture, Cutco knives..

Android can have their market share for all I care.

Good for you, though many iphone fans in this thread are trying to spin it that somehow iOS has not really, not actually, completely been trounced.. implying that somehow GARTNER dont know what theyre doing with the numbers...

And then theres the massive irony in using an iPhone if you're looking for individuality. As mentioned all over this thread... you see iphones everywhere.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE FORM FACTOR ANDROIDS-

NEXUS ONE, XPERIA X10, XPERIA MINI, DROID, DROID X, DROID ERIS, HTC HERO, HTC INCREDIBLE, SAMSUNG GALAXY S, HTC DESIRE, DROID 2, DELL STREAK, SPRINT EVO 4G ETC, ETC...

with new ones released every couple of months...

vs

IPHONE, IPHONE 3G, IPHONE 3GS, IPHONE 4.

with iPhone 5 coming next June...

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Carrier availability, pure and simple. Get the iPhone on Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile and watch Android's numbers fall. Guaranteed.

yet we can look over seas were the iPhone is not carrier locked and that is not the case.
I am willing to bet that the iPhone sells are being hurt quite a bit by AT&T finally starting to carrier some real android phones. Hurt in the sense a lot of people who wanted an android phone but settled for an iPhone. Now they have a choice to get a descent Android phone.
As AT&T opens up more and starts carrying more android phones the number of iPhone sells will decrease.

Now the decrease in lost sells only really hurts how fast it is climbing but that is because the market is growing faster than than any stolen sells are.

 

[NebulaClash]

Here's an interesting article. Talks about the launch of the new Blackberry and the new Droid 2 phones. The key point is that there are no real lines for the Droid 2, supply is on hand and ready to sell, and there's no waiting time for an order. Contrast that to the iPhone 4 June launch and you see there is greater demand for the iPhone 4 than there is for the Droid 2.

So why is Android taking the overall lead? Because when you throw dozens of models into the same bucket, and throw in some BOGO deals, you eventually add up to a large group. But it's not as if each individual phone is doing as well as the iPhone.

 

[macsmurf]

Yes, true. You continue to ignore my point. I didn't say locked down systems can't be broken. I'm saying locked down systems are inherently safer than unlocked systems.

I believe your argument up to this point was that security by obscurity was a good way to go about it. It's not. Read a book or something.

 

[BaldiMac]

yet we can look over seas were the iPhone is not carrier locked and that is not the case.

We can look at overseas numbers? What are they for iPhone and Android?

 

[LagunaSol]

I am willing to bet that the iPhone sells are being hurt quite a bit by AT&T finally starting to carrier some real android phones. Hurt in the sense a lot of people who wanted an android phone but settled for an iPhone.

"Hurt quite a bit" eh? Yeah, I know huh, what with that iPhone 4 inventory totally piling up and gathering dust at the Apple and AT&T stores...

(In other words, I'll take that bet.)

And I've yet to hear a single person - online or in the physical world - say they really wanted an Android phone on AT&T but ended up stuck with an iPhone.

Unfortunately for your argument, that door doesn't really seem to swing both ways. In reality, that is.

 

[John Dillinger]

There are more stupid people in the world, than non-stupid people. Therefore, if a thing is marketed enough, stupid people will buy it. Capitalism in no way guarantees victory for a superior product.

ISNT THE IPHONE (4) THE BEST SELLING SMARTPHONE EVER????????

Im sure opening 3 day sales was some kind of record!!!

 

[Reed Rothchild]

Here's an interesting article. Talks about the launch of the new Blackberry and the new Droid 2 phones. The key point is that there are no real lines for the Droid 2, supply is on hand and ready to sell, and there's no waiting time for an order. Contrast that to the iPhone 4 June launch and you see there is greater demand for the iPhone 4 than there is for the Droid 2.

So why is Android taking the overall lead? Because when you throw dozens of models into the same bucket, and throw in some BOGO deals, you eventually add up to a large group. But it's not as if each individual phone is doing as well as the iPhone.

There's a new Android phone released every day it seems. You're just not going to see the same fervour that Apple manage when they release a new phone once a year to replace the previous phone. Apple are great at creating an emotional attachment from the consumer. It would be utterly exhausting for an Android consumer to put so much of their desires into a new smartphone release - they'd be dead within a week .

 

[Rodimus Prime]

And I've yet to hear a single person - online or in the physical world - say they really wanted an Android phone on AT&T but ended up stuck with an iPhone.
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Not really a good argument for you.
It already pretty clear that your world revolves around apple and apple fans so chance are you would not find them.

You already got people on these boards who have switch carriers to get things like the Droid, Evo ect and were very happy with it and the switch for the phone.
We also have people on these boards who settled for those same phones.
Safe to assume the revise is true as well since both the cases above happen on these boards.

 

[NebulaClash]

There's a new Android phone released every day it seems. You're just not going to see the same fervour that Apple manage when they release a new phone once a year to replace the previous phone. Apple are great at creating an emotional attachment from the consumer. It would be utterly exhausting for an Android consumer to put so much of their desires into a new smartphone release - they'd be dead within a week .

It just means that no one phone is as successful as the iPhone, but put all together they can outsell the iPhone.

 

[SockRolid]

Android has already won.

Communist.

 

[chagla]

Is froyo the one that finally adds universal cut, copy, paste across all apps? Or is that the next one?

Froyo includes Adobe Flash 10.1.... which iOS will not have in foreseeable future. so cut/copy/paste is NOW a wanted feature? how long did the iphone users had to wait? i clearly remember how iphans were saying why would anyone need to copy/paste on a phone.

 

[SockRolid]

There's a new Android phone released every day it seems. You're just not going to see the same fervour that Apple manage when they release a new phone once a year....

Exactly. This month's Android poster-child is next months' collectors' item.

 

[LagunaSol]

Exactly. This month's Android poster-child is next months' collectors' item.

I'd hate to be in the Android hardware business.

The day will come when the manufacturers will barely be able to recoup their R&D, tooling and advertising costs for each model as longevity will be zippo and brutal competition will force prices down. See the PC manufacturing business for reference.

HP was smart to scoop up Palm - and they'll be even smarter if they focus on Palm-based hardware and not try to play the Android side too.

 

[Žalgiris]

Exactly. This month's Android poster-child is next months' collectors' item.

 

[BaldiMac]

Froyo includes Adobe Flash 10.1.... which iOS will not have in foreseeable future.

I've disabled Flash on my desktops for the last 5 or 6 years. So that does not bother me.

so cut/copy/paste is NOW a wanted feature?

It's always been a wanted feature for me.

how long did the iphone users had to wait?

Why does that matter? Aren't we comparing OS's as they are now? Most Android users are still waiting.

i clearly remember how iphans were saying why would anyone need to copy/paste on a phone.

I never said that. What's your point?

 

[archipellago]

Do you have a quote? I think you may be thinking of someone else. I don't recall commenting on that particular topic recently.

That said, OS X is secure even though its market share is growing. It still doesn't have enough share (not even close) to challenge the yummy monopoly OS position of Windows where malware kiddies are concerned, and probably never will (*crosses fingers*).

of course, OSX needs its' single digit worldwide share as it is fundamentally far less secure than Windows.

on topic... go android!

 

[John Dillinger]

Because it makes people think about it. They reliese they are paying more for less specs.




So it is ok for your side to make arguments that apple gets more profit per phone than an Android phone but it is "bogus" for me to point out that you are having to pay more for less.

Does not seem right. Either go after people making the same bogus argument the other direction. I only responded to a bogus argument.
But then again you seem to like paying more for less.

PS Lets add that on the hardware front... iPhone buyers will be paying the same price for an iphone on contract, all the way up to release of iPhone 5... regardless how many phones by then will have a 1GB RAM, dual core cpus etc...

Whereas in the free-market.. prices will drop with the release of new and better hardware.

FACT.

 

[John Dillinger]

I'd hate to be in the Android hardware business.

The day will come when the manufacturers will barely be able to recoup their R&D, tooling and advertising costs for each model as longevity will be zippo and brutal competition will force prices down. See the PC manufacturing business for reference.

HP was smart to scoop up Palm - and they'll be even smarter if they focus on Palm-based hardware and not try to play the Android side too.

Its pretty much the way the phone industriy's been for years..

Nokia werent doing too badly releasing phones at that pace pre iPhone were they??