Apple Sold Fewest Macs in Any Quarter Since 2010 as Nearly Entire Lineup Was Outdated

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

I'm actually surprised this didn't happen sooner.

Yeah, people have been predicting this for about, oh FORTY years now...

Temporary blip. Nothing more.

 

[jeyf]

apple is not a agile startup anymore; their design cycle time has got to be very very long, like year(s). I just cant figure what to expect next if anything.

apple is dead?

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Tim Cook is the worst thing to happen to Mac since Mac.

Yep. First Trillion-Dollar company under his watch.

Oh, and the Mac Sales STILL outpace the revenue generated by iPad Sales, and NO ONE is complaining about those numbers...

Terrible, I tell you. Just Terrible...

 

[joiwomcow]

"What's a computer?"

 

[ChrisChaval]

the very next article is:

Apple's Stock Price Crosses $200 Mark to Reach New All-Time High

and this shows exactly how (economically) important Macs are to Apple today

 

[DNichter]

First, I’m talking about the desktop, not the laptop. If you haven’t tried the desktop in easel mode, pop into a Microsoft store and mess around with it. The Dial contraption is kind of silly in my mind, but the easel and stylus is awesome. It comes down to the screen size. I love drawing with my Apple Pencil on my iPad. But it would be way better if I had a 27” screen, if I could put two full size pages next to each other and mark them up, if I had 27” worth of screen space to sketch out an ERD instead of 10”. Etc.

As for sales, it’s never that simple. People have said the exact same thing about the Mac for years. It’s clearly better. So why do most people buy PCs? It took Apple years to sell a million Macs. Why didn’t everyone see the clear advantages over DOS and ditch PCs back in the 80s? Sorry, but sales has nothing to do with innovation.

Got ya, I just saw Surface. I have used the desktop, it's a fine machine and I do like that it moves into a position easier for touch, but I find the idea of using a huge touch screen like that a bit comical. To each their own though. You have a fair point in regards to sales, but maybe I don't see the point of innovating if it's not going to result in sales. If no one uses it, is it really innovative kind of thing. They are a business after all.
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I don't consider them to be specialized yet alone very specialized. As for regular updates we're well past regular updates.

I am not sure what you mean here, but we can move on.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

What’s your point? It took years for Apple to sell a million Macs. Microsoft has sold plenty more Surface products. And since when does sales = innovation? I’m not talking about sales. Whether they sell or not, the fact is, Microsoft has shown lazy Apple that touch not only works well on the desktop but can actually be quite a sublime experience. It completely changes the whole experience of interacting with a computer. It doesn’t appeal to me in a laptop, but on that big screen tilted in easel mode, it’s awsome.

Too bad the Touchscreen is a buggy POS...

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Tariffs which only affects the aluminum being purchased by Apple.

And your point being?

 

[DNichter]

The fact is, Apple has a lot of “pro” users. Pro, as in professional. Yet for so many in the Mac pundit and forum universes, pro = creative content producing professional, which is actually just a small niche market for Apple.

This is correct, but I am not following how it is in response to my comment.

 

[robbyx]

This is correct, but I am not following how it is in response to my comment.

Because you're clearly a pro user yet most people complaining about how Apple is abandoning pros don't see you as one.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Yes but those numbers are revenue by category, not units sold. For all we know, Apple may have sold 10 times as many iPads as they sold Macs.

But if you look at the average prices for both, it should be something more like 3 or 4 to 1.

 

[pl1984]

apple is not a agile startup anymore; their design cycle time has got to be very very long, like year(s). I just cant figure what to expect next if anything.

apple is dead?

Other, large companies do not appear to have a problem with rolling out updates on a regular basis. Why can't Apple?
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And your point being?

If tariffs are the cause of higher Apple pricing then it stands to reason those same tariffs would cause higher pricing for other companies.

 

[imageWIS]

Sad, how things changed.

Tim Cook heard, but didn't listen to Jobs.

 

[pl1984]

I am not sure what you mean here, but we can move on.

Neither the Mac Pro nor the Mac Mini are specialized systems (let alone very specialized). Therefore that should not be a reason they should be left to languish.

 

[Rakurai]

I wonder how long Apple will blissfully ignore the customers that walk into the Apple store, try a keyboard on a new MacBook, say "ugh" and leave.

 

[DNichter]

Because you're clearly a pro user yet most people complaining about how Apple is abandoning pros don't see you as one.

Got it, thank you for clarifying. Personally, I think Apple is supporting Pro's just fine, through the iPad Pro, MacBook Pro, iMac Pro, and upcoming Mac Pro. I know many will disagree though, and that's fine.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

I know I won't be buying another MacBook Pro until they design something as solid as the last generation. Or even a Mac Pro until it is user upgradable and repairable like the last generation. See a pattern?

No.

 

[robbyx]

Got ya, I just saw Surface. I have used the desktop, it's a fine machine and I do like that it moves into a position easier for touch, but I find the idea of using a huge touch screen like that a bit comical. To each their own though. You have a fair point in regards to sales, but maybe I don't see the point of innovating if it's not going to result in sales. If no one uses it, is it really innovative kind of thing. They are a business after all.

So Apple should have just abandoned the Mac back in the day? Or maybe they should abandon the Watch. After all, there are nearly 8 billion people on the planet and the best they can do is sell a few million watches every quarter? It takes time to build a business and a brand. Surface is a new brand for Microsoft. People think of them as a software company. They didn't nail Windows until Windows 3.1. Before that it was a joke. And now it's on 95% of desktop PCs. If there's one company I NEVER count out, it's Microsoft. They are nothing if not determined.

As for the Surface being comical, that's your take. From other posts of yours I've read, I don't think you're open to anything other than what Apple says and does anyway, so I would expect a response like that. I think it's comical to not appreciate the clear benefits of a large touch screen in certain applications.

 

[DNichter]

Neither the Mac Pro nor the Mac Mini are specialized systems (let alone very specialized). Therefore that should not be a reason they should be left to languish.

That's fine, we disagree then. I don't feel that either ever represented the majority of Mac sales. I think the mini may be the first ARM Mac.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Maybe they need to stop being stubborn and start listening to what customers want? They could pull off that kind of attitude 10 years ago when PCs were complete garbage so apple customers didn't even consider making the switch. But have you looked at what Dell, HP and Lenovo are putting out these days? The competition has seriously stepped up their game and are quickly becoming a compelling option for people who are not tied to final cut. If they don't start designing systems that people have been asking for and cutting their prices a bit, they are gonna lose a ton customers.

You're kidding, right?

I use Windows every single day at work. It is pretty awful, and makes me constantly feel like I am an untrusted, unworthy, INCORRECT User (and, BTW, I am a Domain Admin). MacOS NEVER makes me feel like that. Never.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

I know I won't be buying another MacBook Pro until they design something as solid as the last generation. Or even a Mac Pro until it is user upgradable and repairable like the last generation. See a pattern?

The new MacBook Pro looks pretty 'solid'... so what you are saying is you will never buy a MacBook Pro again...

My bet is that you won't be buying a new Mac Pro again either...

Windows... here you come!

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

This pretty much tells the whole story:
1999 iMac G3 -----> 2008 iMac Aluminum Wow....you can see the progress (G3, G4, G5, Intel)
2009 iMac ------> 2018 iMac Still looks the same

2007 iPhone ------> hold it in one hand, use index finger on other hand to select.
2018 iPhone ------> same thing.

Why do people have a need to buy EVERY SINGLE ITERATION OF THAT Ridiculously overpriced phone?

When VCRs came out 30+ years ago, they were thousands of dollars for the early adopters, then once everyone had one, they were $200. Original iPhone comes out, and they're $500 (unsubsidized) and after selling a billion of them, they're double the price. WTH?!?!?!

I just replaced my 2008 MacBook with a 2017 MBP, and when my 2009 iMac 27' dies, it won't be replaced.
See you again in 10 years, Apple.

Did you have a point?

 

[bkkcanuck8]

You're kidding, right?

I use Windows every single day at work. It is pretty awful, and makes me constantly feel like I am an untrusted, unworthy, INCORRECT User (and, BTW, I am a Domain Admin). MacOS NEVER makes me feel like that. Never.

MacOS obviously does not know you as well as Windows

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

I wonder what type of computers Apple employees use to design those high-profit mobile devices and confusing cloud systems? Hmmmmmm...... Maybe Mac Mini's and MBAs are good enough, as those represent IMHO the best value Apple computers currently...

Did you have a point?

 

[bkkcanuck8]

You're kidding, right?

I use Windows every single day at work. It is pretty awful, and makes me constantly feel like I am an untrusted, unworthy, INCORRECT User (and, BTW, I am a Domain Admin). MacOS NEVER makes me feel like that. Never.

He must be... there a lot of Mac users are within the last 10 years... I would have to consider myself an 11 year "veteran"... (though I did have an old MacBook from one client so I could update there project management stuff - for about a year... maybe 20 years ago; though my main machine was still windows at work).