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Apple Sold Fewest Macs in Any Quarter Since 2010 as Nearly Entire Lineup Was Outdated

MacsRuleOthersDrool said:
Other than the Mac Pro and mini, there is NOTHING "Outdated" about the Macs.

Overpriced? Prove it, spec-for-spec. First, you have to find another Laptop with 80 Gb/sec I/O bandwidth, and that can drive TWO external 5k Displays PLUS the internal display...

I'll wait.
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You're right as I have gone to configure laptops with the same specs as the latest MB Pro that I would want. Namely 16 gigs of RAM and a 1TB SSD, plus the current i7 processor. They are within $200, if that.....but the Windows laptop will have a superior GPU. My issue with the 2018 MB Pro and the two previous year models are the ports. All USB-C/Thunderbolt. Need to hook up to an external monitor? Adapter. Use a common flash drive found at any store or office? Chances are super high that it's USB-A. You'll need an adapter. Ethernet port...adapter (although to be fair they haven't included ethernet ports for awhile now). A video/photo guy with SD cards? Adapter. Yeah they have USB-C hubs, but their obsession with aesthetics just takes away from practicality.
 
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I think they should have an under $1500 entry in every category Mac Mini, MacBook, iMac and Mac base model.
I do think they have something there in those type of machines.
I really don't think the "Pro" name is necessary for anything, in reality a Mac should be "Pro" as in reliable, built right and upgradable.
Then buy upgrade options based on your needs from there.
Maybe 3 options for Ram, CPU, GPU and HD for every Mac.
It is very interesting the profit from iPhones is just nuts.
Looks like we will have the apple option for machines for a while yet.
Interesting that the iMac Pro upgrade is in that figure
 
robbyx said:
So Apple should have just abandoned the Mac back in the day? Or maybe they should abandon the Watch. After all, there are nearly 8 billion people on the planet and the best they can do is sell a few million watches every quarter? It takes time to build a business and a brand. Surface is a new brand for Microsoft. People think of them as a software company. They didn't nail Windows until Windows 3.1. Before that it was a joke. And now it's on 95% of desktop PCs. If there's one company I NEVER count out, it's Microsoft. They are nothing if not determined.

As for the Surface being comical, that's your take. From other posts of yours I've read, I don't think you're open to anything other than what Apple says and does anyway, so I would expect a response like that. I think it's comical to not appreciate the clear benefits of a large touch screen in certain applications.
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Of course not. The Mac was incredibly popular when it was first released, same with the Apple Watch. They both sell/sold very well. Surface is a brand, it's just not differentiated at all. Mac's are differentiated by their build quality, support, and OS. Windows doesn't have that luxury as you can buy any cheap Windows touchscreen laptop/desktop and get essentially the same experience. My opinion on the subject isn't based on what Apple does or thinks, I'd go buy a touchscreen laptop if I felt it added value to my workflow. It doesn't. It's just my opinion and it's okay that you disagree. I just don't find slapping a touch screen on point and click OS all that innovative. If that's just me, so be it.
 
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LordVic said:
Make compromised products that aren't the actual products people were asking for, don't be surprised when you sell less.

And I don't think Apple is surprised... hence the increase to price to make up the difference in revenue.
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Everyone's laptop prices have gone up in the past couple of years.
 
ghostface147 said:
You're right as I have gone to configure laptops with the same specs as the latest MB Pro that I would want. Namely 16 gigs of RAM and a 1TB SSD, plus the current i7 processor. They are within $200, if that.....but the Windows laptop will have a superior GPU. My issue with the 2018 MB Pro and the two previous year models are the ports. All USB-C/Thunderbolt. Need to hook up to an external monitor? Adapter. Use a common flash drive found at any store or office? Chances are super high that it's USB-A. You'll need an adapter. Ethernet port...adapter (although to be fair they haven't included ethernet ports for awhile now). A video/photo guy with SD cards? Adapter. Yeah they have USB-C hubs, but their obsession with aesthetics just takes away from practicality.
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You know... if you just looked... you could realize that pretty well most things (other than those hard wired) ... you just have to buy a cable (cheap) from places like Monoprise... When I buy a computer today, I want it futureproofed as much as possible, rather than backward focused... then I make the old stuff work with the new stuff... buying a new Mac (that might last you 5 to 10 years)... then worrying about whether an old $100 peripheral works with it without compromise... stupid IMHO...
 
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Azeroth1 said:
No excuse for the shameful lack of hardware updates these past few years. I sadly have to agree they just haven’t considered the Mac a priority. People want Macs, I know many who just have kept holding out for a “meaningful” refresh in one way or the other.

Guess we should have seen that way back when they dropped “Computer” from the company name heh.
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Look at the number of employees Apple has worldwide in R&D. Do you REALLY think they can't handle mobile and Mac design Projects concurrently?!?
 
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Top 10 reasons NOT to buy a Macbook Pro.

1- Way Overpriced
2- Outdated hardware
3- 100% un-upgradable. Both RAM and SSD are not upgradable.
4- Same bad keyboard feel
5- Useless touchbar, only there to overcharge you $300.00. No Option without a touchbar.
6- Still dongle hell
7- Still no Mag-Safe
8- Still no way to connect your own iPhone
9- Base models ships with ridiculous minimum core specs. Base model ships with 256gb SSD... Really?
10- Did I say way-way overpriced?
 
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Have you been to an Apple Store lately? I went to two different ones about a week ago. The desktops were off to the side and the only people near the iMacs were people waiting to get their phones looked at (overflow from the Genius Bar). They weren't even using 'em. Not only does that make it look like Apple doesn't care about the line, it keeps people from checking them out too. No wonder the numbers are down.

I need a new machine right now. If they had an i7 with SSD in stock I would have bought it on the spot. They didn't. No i7's anywhere. No SSD's anywhere. I get that Apple is trying to appeal to the largest demographic, but why they don't have any higher-end models in stock is beyond me.
 
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pl1984 said:
Sales volume does or does not qualify a model as specialized.
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Maybe my wording was incorrect then, they only appeal to a small number of users. Therefore they don't warrant frequent updates. Most businesses work this way with their products.
 
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bkkcanuck8 said:
You know... if you just looked... you could realize that pretty well most things (other than those hard wired) ... you just have to buy a cable (cheap) from places like Monoprise... When I buy a computer today, I want it futureproofed as much as possible, rather than backward focused... then I make the old stuff work with the new stuff... buying a new Mac (that might last you 5 to 10 years)... then worrying about whether an old $100 peripheral works with it without compromise... stupid IMHO...
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You have a point about future proofing, but the rest of the world hasn't caught up to Apple. Since I work in IT, this is very clear to me. No desktops we have are USB-C. Desktops we have don't have thunderbolt. I would guess if you live in an exclusive Apple world, then sure it's a great idea. But since the rest of the world around me uses Windows, just a little aggravating having to rely on adapters all the time.
 
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harriska2 said:
Somebody said the imac pro was an update. No, it was a new, unaffordable desktop all-in-one. I can afford it but it isn’t going to happen for home. My husband’s workplace would never buy that for him. So he is waiting for a mini to get a viable upgrade.
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The iMac Pro isn't designed for people posting on FaceBook and MR all day. It isn't a "Home" computer. The regular iMac covers that market quite nicely, thank you! The iMac Pro is meant for (and priced for) those who use their computers to make money. You know, "Pros".

And sorry that your husband's employer values his work so poorly that they won't pay for decent tools. But that isn't Apple's problem now, is it?

People whined that Apple was neglecting the "Pro" market. So they put out a no-holds-barred iMac to address at least a portion of that market (with the promise of more to come in the form of a re-imagined Mac Pro). Now people whine that the iMac Pro is too expensive. But guess what? Good computer guts actually COST more than FaceBook-Posting computer guts...

Go check out how much Intel charges for the CPU, and how much AMD charges for the GPU that goes into the iMac Pro. Add to that the expensive, fast memory, 5K built-in display, etc. and you will soon see that the iMac Pro is a reasonably-priced computer!
 
Making the new Macbooks Pro have soldered RAM and SSD is like have the tires soldered to a car. So everytime you need to change tires, you need to replace the car...

Whomever designed this should be fired.

Beyond Ridiculous.
 
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ghostface147 said:
You're right as I have gone to configure laptops with the same specs as the latest MB Pro that I would want. Namely 16 gigs of RAM and a 1TB SSD, plus the current i7 processor. They are within $200, if that.....but the Windows laptop will have a superior GPU. My issue with the 2018 MB Pro and the two previous year models are the ports. All USB-C/Thunderbolt. Need to hook up to an external monitor? Adapter. Use a common flash drive found at any store or office? Chances are super high that it's USB-A. You'll need an adapter. Ethernet port...adapter (although to be fair they haven't included ethernet ports for awhile now). A video/photo guy with SD cards? Adapter. Yeah they have USB-C hubs, but their obsession with aesthetics just takes away from practicality.
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But is that really something new? Macs have always had very limited i/o ports compared to Windows laptops.
 
And the neglect that the Mac Pro has endured is beyond ridiculous, to the point of it being the butt of a lot of jokes now. But, oh yeah, a new one is coming. Just wait.. and wait.. and wait.. and...
 
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DNichter said:
Maybe my wording was incorrect then, they only appeal to a small number of users. Therefore they don't warrant frequent updates. Most businesses work this way with their products.
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Perhaps they only appeal to a small number of users because they've been left to languish. You keep qualifying your argument with words like "frequent" when I'm not even arguing that level of update. Do you consider three and five years to be frequent?
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MacsRuleOthersDrool said:
I could; but then I'd be here all day, citing examples, and I unfortunately have work to do (even if it IS on Windows)...
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Then give me half a dozen.
 
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Adding my 2 cents (which is the same as a lot of people have posted on here and worth about .000002 cents) - I've been an Apple advocate for decades. I know their percentage of laptop and desktop sales has dropped compared to mobile devices. So it makes business sense to focus on your strongest selling products. But they still are in part responsible for low computer sales - no updates, no-longer leading edge internals, high prices, abandoning the pro market and creative community, gimmicky costly touchbar, keyboard issues, no touchscreen alternatives. And seeing Apple reach an all-time stock high just now will just encourage them to keep them on the same discouraging track.

I needed a new laptop desperately. I do a fair amount of graphics work and use a PC at work and Mac at home. I still couldn't jump to PC and just added to that stock surge. I bit the bullet hard yesterday and ordered a new i9, 1 TB, 32GB 15" MBP. it cost me $1200 more than my previous 15" model in 2010. I used to be through-the-roof excited and pleased about getting a new Mac. Now I'm just trusting I will like it, in spite of the huge hole in my bank account. I don't like feeling that way.
 
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DNichter said:
Maybe my wording was incorrect then, they only appeal to a small number of users. Therefore they don't warrant frequent updates. Most businesses work this way with their products.
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But it seems that computer buyers are like car buyers: They want the tailfins to be redesigned every year, even if the chassis, engine, suspension, electrical and braking systems are the same for the past 5 years.

You KNOW it's beyond reason when people refer to a 1 year update cycle as "long". Heck, it takes about half that time just to setup the LOGISTICS for a new design!
 
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I guess nobody is buying the new Mac Pro and Mac minis anymore...

I wonder why...!

Do they need an Apple Genius to figure that out?
 
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I have a '12 27" iMac and a '13 11" MBA. They still work great and have been the best Macs I've ever owned, since I started using them in '92 with the LCII.

With that being said, I would totally buy a new Mac Mini to use as a media hub with my new TV if they came out with one and it was decently equipped to last at least 6-7 years.

I'm no power-user, but it is nice that my newer Macs will probably only need replacing after 10 years unlike the 6-7 I got out of my PM 6500 and Quicksilver G4. Just saying.
 
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seclusion said:
I think they should have an under $1500 entry in every category Mac Mini, MacBook, iMac and Mac base model.
I do think they have something there in those type of machines.
I really don't think the "Pro" name is necessary for anything, in reality a Mac should be "Pro" as in reliable, built right and upgradable.
Then buy upgrade options based on your needs from there.
Maybe 3 options for Ram, CPU, GPU and HD for every Mac.
It is very interesting the profit from iPhones is just nuts.
Looks like we will have the apple option for machines for a while yet.
Interesting that the iMac Pro upgrade is in that figure
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Apple needs a product to compete with a Chrome Book. Never gonna happen though. :apple:
 
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