The Surface Pro does not qualify as a computer?
Nokia's phone business was bought by Microsoft a few months ago, doesn't that count?
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The Surface Pro does not qualify as a computer?
Nokia's phone business was bought by Microsoft a few months ago, doesn't that count?
Look at the chart again. To get the Apple number higher, validating his premise, the author subtracted the WinPhone numbers. When the WP numbers are included, that aggregate total is higher than the Apple numbers. His chart works because he selectively chose data that would make his point seem valid.
Mobile outsold PC. Everyone knows that. Samsung outsold them both, which is another irrelevant point. Android outsold them both combined. I only used them to highlight the click bait nature of the guy's research.
Like I said, Apple is successful in it's own right. It doesn't need crap like this for validation.
It's not research and it's not click bait. He chose a title that fits the chart. While I agree that the comparison in the title is a bit skewed, it does not change the point he's trying to make. There's no apples and oranges.
If you're gonna skip all the comments don't reply. I cleared up the misunderstanding 4 pages ago. I was referring to windows licenses.
And that's the kind of thinking that gets you left in the dust. Simple fact: Microsoft completely redesigned their desktop operating system to make it mobile/touchscreen compatible. They took a proven product from a sales standpoint and stood it on its ear in order to compete in the mobility market. They did this because they know that is the future, and that the legacy "desktop computer" model is dying.
They did it wrong, and their foray into it is garbage, but nonetheless they understand where the industry is going better than you apparently do.
it's an odd comparison but plenty valid considering most phones/tablets sold by the pc makers are lost leaders or R&D costs vs sales means zero profit. I think samsung is the only company making big profits right now and even they have years of R&D etc only offset by being the maker of so many other phone bits for everyone else, they pretty much make a product for any electrical item in existence too.
In the Tech world real profits are slim pickin's but apple are making serious money on every single device, that's impressive for any brand it's a shame that they have so much hate from everyone and are assumed to be in trouble.
In the Tech world real profits are slim pickin's but apple are making serious money on every single device, that's impressive for any brand it's a shame that they have so much hate from everyone and are assumed to be in trouble.
If you can't see how iPhone and iPad are related in the same coherent ecosystem of Macs, well, the problem is your ....
Apps for iOS run on al these systems, do the numbers make iOS an equal target for your developers because NEW owners are the ones that BUY STUFF.
As far as comparisons, iOS devices range from $250-$900 and PCs range from $300-$900 before your back in the $999+ territory owned by Apple. People that pay more money for a computer BUY MORE STUFF. So again, Apple is where a developer wants to SELL their wares. PC software is owned by Adobe, Microsoft, Autodesk, and games that are all $60-$600 to play. The money for little guys is sucked out of the system because nobody PAYS for Windows software.
Apple gives you more chances to MAKE MONEY devs just have to figure out how to get $2-$5 per week, not $199 up front.
So what? Ever tried encoding video on an iPhone ori iPad or using Word or Excel? See how that works?
The surface Pro is a computer i would say, compared to an iOS, simply because it can be used *instead* of a PC, something you just can't do everything on iOS, thus you must require a desktop for...
Batter life aside of a Surface, the iOS apps are basically stripped down versions anyway, where as Surface apps like Office, are full featured. Its probably not very practical, but its there if you want it ...
(along with all the security issues. )
Are these stats only i the U.S, or worldwide ?
Batter life aside of a Surface, the iOS apps are basically stripped down versions anyway, where as Surface apps like Office, are full featured. Its probably not very practical, but its there if you want it ...
(along with all the security issues. )
Are these stats only i the U.S, or worldwide ?
It's not so much "in trouble" as without RockStar Steve, its a countdown till they "turn evil" trying to keep the money train going and missing new products and screwing up releases. That's what happened the last time Steve left... It's been a crazy 10 year run from iPods to iPads and the stats for the train staying on the tracks shrink every day.
I have to disagree with you on this one, Scruff. The guy you're replying to is a prime example as to why mobile is selling so well, and why we'll see traditional laptop and desktop sells decline into a (admittedly still profitable) niche.
People buy what they need, and smartphones and tablets do an excellent job of covering the lowest common denominator. Only a relatively few people use Office and Excel, even fewer encode video, and while those people will always need a machine capable of providing that functionality, most everyone else will get by just fine with an iPad.
End result: iPads sell more than laptops.
It's not necessarily the end of computers are you know them, but the bottom-middle of the market has changed considerably. For most people, they're in the post-PC era.
While you make think that what Microsoft has done with Windows 8 is garbage, there are still more computers running Windows 8 than computers ever built by Apple. 70 million in one quarter, how many years of Mac sales would it take to equal that? And that's in a dwindling market. I'm sure I'm not an industry expert like most of the users here, that I why I usually clarify by stating IMO. And of course your statement about Windows 8 being garbage shows in the sales of Windows based pcs. I'll bet Apple would love to have such a failure on their hands to complement their sales of iOS devices.
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I agree with part of this, but Word and Excel are used in most office environments. Your fired.
I agree with part of this, but Word and Excel are used in most office environments. Your fired.
You can't fire me, I'm tenured.
Though you're right there, and that's why most offices will continue using laptops and desktops for the foreseeable future. At least until tablets become just as flexible and easy to use for certain tasks as traditional PCs currently are, which we're still a little ways away from that.
To sum up the whole argument in one short statement: PCs aren't dying, but they're no longer the hot seller item.
All this post tells me is the death of the PC has been GREATLY exaggerated.
And despite my iDevices, almost everything I do that actually matters, or is any way creative, is done on a PC.
And despite my iDevices, almost everything I do that actually matters, or is any way creative, is done on a PC.
You can't fire me, I'm tenured.
Though you're right there, and that's why most offices will continue using laptops and desktops for the foreseeable future. At least until tablets become just as flexible and easy to use for certain tasks as traditional PCs currently are, which we're still a little ways away from that.
To sum up the whole argument in one short statement: PCs aren't dying, but they're no longer the hot seller item.
Agreed. The tablet style computer is the future for the masses. And maybe we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg. I do like the iPad Air and see even more potential in the future. Ditto for the Surface Pro series. Broadwell should bring even more power savings.
Actually it is like comparing Apples and Lemons!
It took me a few seconds to get that, but boy how true that is!
Yup. Mobile hasn't killed anyway. What it's done is made the entire market more varied and flexible. It's easier for someone to go out and find a computer that fits their needs, then pay too much for something that offers more than they'll ever use.
Power saving, and really fast GPUs. So that means we could have thinner Surface Pros that can play games on them. And that's rad. :O
I don't really see how comparing one company's entire product line sales to different computer manufacturers is relevant to anything.
I agree. Smartphones and tablets are new extra spending, so meant delay a PC or extend its life as you suggest. It doesnt mean PCs are less relevant, it means spend is less, but still relevant
A Surface Pro 3 at the thickness of the iPad Air, i5, 8GB RAM and a 512GB ssd for $999. I'd be all over it like a cheap suit.